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nightowl

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If, as Danser says, "CS has no silver particles in it; just silver ions..." is it not silver particles that shine and sparkle when a red lazer light is shined into my clear homemade silver solution? Do silver ions sparkle? Millions of particles are suspended in the water and visible in the light beam in a dark room, but not to the naked eye in a lighted room. The silver rods used were sold to me as 99.99% or so true silver. A lazer light does not shine through the distilled water before processing because there are no minerals in distilled water to reflect it....I have tested the water before and after use.

I bought Nutrasilver and have been taking it for a few days to see if it would have any effect on the inflammation caused by psoriasis on my hands and feet. I've only been using 10 to 15 drops once a day, orally, but tonight I took 20 drops. It hasn't seemed to make any difference. I also got a second bottle to have on hand. I do have the best luck keeping it down to a dull roar using a prescription silver cream.
 

jfh

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I bought Nutrasilver and have been taking it for a few days to see if it would have any effect on the inflammation caused by psoriasis on my hands and feet. I've only been using 10 to 15 drops once a day, orally, but tonight I took 20 drops. It hasn't seemed to make any difference.
Whenever I have noticeable infection, I use 20 drops in about a 1/4 cup of distilled water. I use this every 2 or 3 hours for one day. The next day, I find that I am relieved. I don't know if the same is true for inflammation. I use distilled water for this purpose; so there are no other minerals in the water. My "noticeable" infections are occasionally in my sinuses. I have tried to use this same Nutrasilver/distilled water combination with a nasal spray bottle. Does not work for me. Drinking does.
 

nightowl

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Thanks for the advice Jim. I don't have infection but get cracks in the thick, hard skin that sometimes go deep and hurt like paper cuts. They are slow to heal and about the time they start looking good the psoriasis gets worse and it starts all over again.

I'm also trying something I saw on a You Tube video called Doo Gro stimulating growth formula that's meant to help grow hair but the lady swore it cured her psoriasis on her hands after dealing with it for 42 years. I found it at Walgreens. She also used Dove moisturizing facial lotion and Dove unscented soap, but I didn't get the lotion yet. I've used that soap exclusively for many years. Anyhow, between the silver cream and Doo Gro it's slowed down a little, but I can't call it a cure yet.
 

Arrowwind09

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Night owl, I certainly don't know if nutrasilver will help your p or not but I do know that with morgellon's some of the folks used very very high dosages, up to two hundred drops a day during different phases of their treatment...

You have circulatory disorder, swelling and inflammation. Getting the silver to the place of need may be an issue and if you say that topical silver (silvadine cream?)
helps there there may be hope. Dr Donsbach makes a topical silver cream that I like also but I always though silvadine cream was a great product. Wonder what would happen if you applied that silver cream you have with a touch of DMSO?

I wonder if anyone has used Nutrasilver with DMSO as a delivery system topically and orally. Some people take DMSO orally, Jeremy of Many has. You could PM him.
 

nightowl

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Arrow,

I asked my doctor for Silvadine and the pharmacy gave me Silver Sulfadiazine Cream USP and it says 1%. The ingredients list says 1 gram contains 10 mg of the silver sulfadiazine in a base of cetyl alcohol, isopropyl myristate, white petrolatum etc...do you think it's compareable? Good old insurance you know...they have to save a buck! It only cost me $3 for a large 400 gram jar though. I slather it on thickly.

Nah...if I was dying of cancer I might try DMSO internally, but not quite yet. I'm going to a dermatologist the 30th and hope to try light therapy.

I'll try larger doses of Nutrasilver.
 

Arrowwind09

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What the pharmacist gave you is the generic for silvadine cream. It will be fine. Wish I had a jar at 3 bucks!
 

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Nightowl, I wonder if silica would help. I mean just cheap food quality diatomaceous earth.

Conversion of silica to orthosilicic acid for use by the body. Silica is essential for the formation of collagen, elastin, and chondroitin. Without sufficient silica we develop numerous conditions including osteoporosis, osteoarthritis, heart disease, emphysema, diverticulitis, etc. Even wrinkles and cellulite can result from a loss of silica leading to a reduction of the structural proteins collagen and elastin. In order for silica to be absorbed and utilized it must first be converted in to orthosilicic acid. This occurs from a reaction between silica and water, but the process is greatly enhanced by the presence of an acid. The primary acid for this conversion is stomach acid. Stomach acid DECLINES with age. This leads to a drop in the conversion of silica in to orthosilicic acid, and therefore a loss of collagen, elastin, and chondroitin production as we age. Notice how these symptoms are not seen in younger people, but common in the elderly. So why do we see this in the elderly? Because the lack of stomach acid interferes with the absorption of nutrients needed for the production of structural proteins. These nutrients include silica, zinc, copper and amino acids.

Check out our previous threads on DE. It has improved my skin and hair quality; but not yet for wrinkles and more hair. Yes, more hair growth. Especially more nail growth.

Nettle leaf is also supposed to be good for psoriasis.

 

nightowl

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Arrow,
The nice thing is that the silver cream prescription is renewable for a year!! Another silver cream we found at a local health food store helped the few spots of psoriasis my daughter has on her legs.
 

nightowl

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Jim,

Thanks very much for explaining the need for silica. I knew it was needed but didn't understand the need for digestive juices. I took BioSil for a while, putting 6 drops into empty capsuls because the taste was too bad to take directly. Would that be a more available form than from DE? I have heard of DE but didn't study it much...I ran across it as a soil additive in gardening, but didn't use it.

Another important thing that helps to moisturize the skin is hyleuronic acid...I'm probably not spelling that right...and I took one bottle of it not long ago, but didn't see much benefit to my skin. That may have been for the same reason that silica has trouble getting into the skin. I'm going to try to remember to take a teaspoon of cider vinegar along with meals and maybe take the medications at the same time. I've read that cider vinegar is about the closest thing to digestive stomach acid. Am I right?

I've tried for years to find something natural that would improve the elasticity of my lungs and bronchial tubes...emphysema...so I'm happy to see that this all fits together and may be the answer I've needed. I've tried just about everything else...why not?!

Thanks again.
 

nightowl

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Arrow,

I was planning to look up horsetail because I thought it was known for silica. I'll look up the others too, but right now I have two threads going, as well as emails, so it's hard to do much justice to each. I've seen a lot of conversation about Betain HCL but haven't tried it. I'll get some. Maybe it would be good to try more than one source of silica.

:cool:
 

nightowl

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BioSil is Silicon (as Choline-Stabilized Orthsilicic Acid) in a liquid base of purified water so is already converted to a usable form. I probably should still try taking Betain HCL so that I absorb nutrition better, at my age.
 

jfh

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I will continue to see diatomaceas earth as the best and safest source; as long it is food grade.

Large doses of horsetail may cause symptoms of nicotine overdose, including fever, cold hands and feet, abnormal heart rate, difficulty walking, muscle weakness, and weight loss. People who smoke or who use nicotine patches or nicotine gum should avoid horsetail. Reports from animal studies and one report of a nicotine-allergic person describe a rash occurring after the use of white horsetail. Other reports from use in animals describe nausea, increased frequency of bowel movements, increased urination, loss of the body's potassium stores, and muscle weakness. People with kidney disorders should avoid horsetail.
Studies in mice suggest that horsetail may change the activity of the kidneys, causing abnormal control of the amount of water and potassium release. Low potassium, which in theory may occur with horsetail, can have negative effects on the heart. Individuals who have heart rhythm disorders or who take digoxin should be cautious. Studies suggest that horsetail does not change blood pressure.
Horsetail contains an ingredient that destroys thiamine (vitamin B1), which could lead to deficiency with long-term use. This may cause permanent damage to the brain and nervous system, including confusion, difficulty walking, difficulties with vision and eye movement, and memory loss. People who have thiamine (vitamin B1) deficiency or poor nutrition should avoid horsetail, as it may affect levels of thiamine even more. Alcoholic or malnourished individuals are often thiamine deficient and this may be worsened by horsetail.
Avoid use in patients taking antidiabetic agents, as a different horsetail species ( Equisetum myriochaetum ) has reportedly caused low blood sugar levels in type 2 diabetic patients.
https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/patient-horsetail.html
I don't know what they mean by "large dose"; but the rest of the information is of concern. I also don't know what species of horsetail that manufacturers use for human consumption; but once again, why bother when there are safer means of getting silica.

I also feel that it is better to improve the acids for digestion through the use of TMG and digestive bitters.

If DE sits in water for a while, it will become more available to the body.
 

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Great find pbd! I've been using Vaseline all along, and it's about the best consistancy for keeping the skin soft and holding moisture and meds on the skin longer. Everything else absorbs quickly into my extremely dry skin and then it starts itching again. I've tried Tropicana coconut oil and for some reason it irritates my skin...smells great though! It isn't heavy enough.

I'm trying to figure out how to mix 3 mcg Vit. D3 to 1 gram Vaseline. I have 1,000 IU, 5,000 IU and 50,000 IU capsules of Vit. D3 but how do I convert them to mcg? I suppose it wouldn't have to be that critical, but I want to be sure to have enough.
 

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Great find pbd! I've been using Vaseline all along, and it's about the best consistancy for keeping the skin soft and holding moisture and meds on the skin longer. Everything else absorbs quickly into my extremely dry skin and then it starts itching again. I've tried Tropicana coconut oil and for some reason it irritates my skin...smells great though! It isn't heavy enough.

I'm trying to figure out how to mix 3 mcg Vit. D3 to 1 gram Vaseline. I have 1,000 IU, 5,000 IU and 50,000 IU capsules of Vit. D3 but how do I convert them to mcg? I suppose it wouldn't have to be that critical, but I want to be sure to have enough.
Mcg won't do anything.

The benefit is in the dose.
 

nightowl

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pbd,

I'm glad you brought this up again, because in watching the video again, I realized that Dr. Holick was saying he used 50 mcg per gram of Vaseline...not 3 mcg!! I had mixed and used the lower dose with little results...no wonder! The doctor talked so fast that it all kind of ran together. If I'm right, this is the correct dose:

1,000 IU Vit. D3 = 25 mcg so 2,000 IU Vit. D3 = 50 mcg.

A small 106 gram jar of Vaseline X 2,000 IU (50 mcg) = 212,000 IU Vit. D3

I had only used 13,000 IU the first time. A big difference! I'll have to get a new jar of Vaseline and start over. I've finished about 2/3 of the first jar.

Am I looking at this right??? I'm not real sharp on these things lately!
 

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pbd,

I'm glad you brought this up again, because in watching the video again, I realized that Dr. Holick was saying he used 50 mcg per gram of Vaseline...not 3 mcg!! I had mixed and used the lower dose with little results...no wonder! The doctor talked so fast that it all kind of ran together. If I'm right, this is the correct dose:

1,000 IU Vit. D3 = 25 mcg so 2,000 IU Vit. D3 = 50 mcg.

A small 106 gram jar of Vaseline X 2,000 IU (50 mcg) = 212,000 IU Vit. D3

I had only used 13,000 IU the first time. A big difference! I'll have to get a new jar of Vaseline and start over. I've finished about 2/3 of the first jar.

Am I looking at this right??? I'm not real sharp on these things lately!
All D3 is diluted with "fillers" and that prevents total treatment, using topically. In other words, you can't get D at the proper dose unless you get it through an organic chemist or from a company in Europe.

I am curious if you have tried using colloidal silver to treat your psoriasis... or perhaps baking soda..
 

nightowl

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I haven't tried baking soda, but I've been thinking of trying it orally to see if acidity is involved.

I realize that capsules of D3 would usually have fillers, but does that prevent the vitamin from being usable, or does it only dilute it? My 50,000 IU capsuls of cholecalciferol aren't that big, and I imagine the other inactive ingredients listed are the capsule shell itself...microcrystalline cellulose, fumed silica and gelatin.

I have been using prescription silver sulfadiazine 1% cream on both my hands and feet with Vaseline on top of it for about a month, and another good silver cream from the healthfoods store for about as long before that. I had asked my podiatrist for it and he was surprised at the difference it made, but I'm still getting flair-ups on my hands.

I tried a product that a lady in a You Tube video said cured her psoriasis...DOO GRO. It is a "botanical oil, vitamin & pure herb formula" that "Promotes strong, healthy growing hair. Helps eliminate flaking dandruff & itching." It seemed to help a lot to stop the psoriasis from getting worse, but hasn't cured it. It might if given more time.

One of the major problems I've had is extremely dry skin. I've found a new product that makes my skin feel soft and moist, except where the psoriasis is, after just one bottle. It's called Dr. Patrick Flanagan's Mega Hydrate. It's expensive at 60 capsules for $35.00 but you start by taking two per day, increasing to four per day...but I only took two. https://zptech.net/megahypart.html

I have an appointment tomorrow afternoon with my dermatologist so will see what he has to say.
 

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I haven't tried baking soda, but I've been thinking of trying it orally to see if acidity is involved.

I realize that capsules of D3 would usually have fillers, but does that prevent the vitamin from being usable, or does it only dilute it? My 50,000 IU capsuls of cholecalciferol aren't that big, and I imagine the other inactive ingredients listed are the capsule shell itself...microcrystalline cellulose, fumed silica and gelatin.

I have been using prescription silver sulfadiazine 1% cream on both my hands and feet with Vaseline on top of it for about a month, and another good silver cream from the healthfoods store for about as long before that. I had asked my podiatrist for it and he was surprised at the difference it made, but I'm still getting flair-ups on my hands.

I tried a product that a lady in a You Tube video said cured her psoriasis...DOO GRO. It is a "botanical oil, vitamin & pure herb formula" that "Promotes strong, healthy growing hair. Helps eliminate flaking dandruff & itching." It seemed to help a lot to stop the psoriasis from getting worse, but hasn't cured it. It might if given more time.

One of the major problems I've had is extremely dry skin. I've found a new product that makes my skin feel soft and moist, except where the psoriasis is, after just one bottle. It's called Dr. Patrick Flanagan's Mega Hydrate. It's expensive at 60 capsules for $35.00 but you start by taking two per day, increasing to four per day...but I only took two. https://zptech.net/megahypart.html

I have an appointment tomorrow afternoon with my dermatologist so will see what he has to say.
If you look up psoriasis in a medical journal, the cause is unknown. However, the cause is fungus. Now I don't know if the fungus is a certain species of candida or perhaps a type of mold, but I can tell you that it is a smart organism in that it can change and hide.

It does not surprise me to hear that "Doo Gro" helps with dandruff, since dandruff is also caused by yeast or fungus.

I do not have psoriasis, however, if I did have it and wanted to get rid of it, here is what I would do:

First, stop feeding it. Like all living organisms, candida fungi require food. They like simple carbs such as sugar or anything that rapidly turns into sugar, such as white bread, pasta, and rice. Any organism that eats also excreets, and in this case they excreet toxic poisons, and it is these poisons that cause many health issues, of which psoriasis is just one. Therefore, I would try a phase one diet for at least a month. That means no grains, no sugar, no alcohol, no mushrooms. Also no antibiotics, no fluoride, and no steroids.

I would get my doctor to prescribe a good antifungal, and I would also take some natural antifungals, such as caprylic acid, grapefruit seed extract, Pau d' Arco, colloidal silver, etc.

I would also take mega amounts of D3, magnesium, and iodine, as well as using strong antifungal creams topically.

Finally, I would take a good probiotic EVERY day.

Try mentioning this to your dermatologist. That would be a good way to determine if she/he is ahead of the curve or not. I would think not, as they like to use cortizone, which is a steroid. That would only supress the symtoms briefly, then cause the problem to worsen, since steroids are fuel for fungus.

I think we may have had this discussion before..
 

nightowl

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Well, I've put off this spanking long enough! My dermatologist convinced me to break my own rules and natural medicine principles after a long discussion of my options. He is the best dermatologist around and is older but does know what he's doing. I just wish he knew more about natural treatments.

I was really hurting when I went for my appointment, with cracks and cuts all over both hands and deep painful cracks in very hard thick skin on my feet. He told me to put the strong Clobetasol ointment only on the worst spots and a milder Triamcinolone over all. On my own, I continued to add a small amount of silver sulfadiazine cream over that (a prescription from my podiatrist) and topped it with a small amount of Vaseline to keep it moist. I applied these heavily and wore cotton socks and gloves at night when going to bed...I still do...but my hands were about 80% healed the first week, between Dec.31st and Jan. 8th, and about 90% now.

It wasn't just the ointments that stopped it though. My pulmonary doctor had prescribed 10 mg a day of prednisone the day before because my COPD is worsening and it's to the point where I need the help to breathe...I knew that day would come, but put it off for years. Then after discussing the worst of several evils, one of which could cause the psoriasis to come back with a vengence a second time with pustular sores, the doctor and I decided more prednisone, for 8 days, would be worth a try. Altogether he wanted me to take 50 mg for 5 days and then 30 mg for 3 days, dropping to the original 10 mg. I fudged a little, taking 40 mg in the AM and 10 mg in the PM, because it really zapped my strength, or something did, the first couple of days.

But I think what may be working more than anything is a treatment called Grenz Ray Therapy. They say: "The German word "Grenz" means boundry, and refers to the fact that these rays are so soft that they lie between ultraviolet rays and ordinary x-rays in the electromagnetic spectrum." It only takes 40 seconds for my hands and 40 seconds each for each foot, because it's not big enough to do all at once. The ray barely enters the surface of the skin, in fact, I have to make sure I don't use any creams or lotions or it wouldn't get to the skin at all. The reason I chose this treatment was that it's a 45 minute drive to the doctor and the treatments are only once a week for 6 weeks. Friday will be my 4th. I improved so much in one week that it was amazing. The other light treatments have to be done more often and forever...not practical with a long drive.

I've also been taking 5 drops of Nascent iodine...usually once a day...but will increase as I see what it does to my thyroid readings in a few weeks. For chronic illness the dose is normally 5 drops 3 times a day. I'm still taking T3 and T4. I skipped thyroid medication one day, and still debate if I should try to ween off of it. I have been taking heavier doses of vitamin D3, once in a while 50,000 I.U. for a couple of days, sometimes 10,000 and more often 5,000.

For the extremely dry skin of psoriasis, I still recommend the Mega Hydrate. I only took one bottle of it, but plan to order more. As for the Doo Gro, I really think it did a lot to slow the psoriasis down, but in my case, I wouldn't call it a cure.

Pinballdoctor, if psoriasis is a fungus, candida or mold, the topical silver cream and oral iodine should help it. I believe Lugol's is used for candida. I really think the silver cream helped, but alone it wasn't a cure. My biggest problem is sugar, as you mentioned. I need to break the habit of munching on sweets when on my computer for hours at a time...and I'm trying by actually getting off my behind and going to the kitchen for real food more often. But how do people exist without bread?! One thing I do love is to lightly steam a big bowl of broccoli, cauliflower and carrots and munch on them cold from the refrigerator. They would be healthier raw, but I can't chew well with my dull, ancient 55 year old dentures...no joke...and not one chip.

I'm hoping the psoriasis won't flair up again, as you mentioned, but I'm going to be working on other ways to build up my system and don't plan to stay on the prednisone long. I think iodine is a big plus. Magnesium and sodium bicarbonate too. I'm just taking so many things right now that I can't keep track of it all and stay on a schedule.

That's another good question...where can I get a form sheet or schedule for keeping track of medications and supplements on the web that I can print out? My way it is too hard to see when things are due.

Thanks for all your help! I'm sorry I'm such a renagade! :oops: ;)
 

Arrowwind09

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The amazing miracles of prednisone. Although in general I consider it a dangerous drug there does come a point when chronic disease and the discomforts it causes merits its use, always used judiciously, with supervision. It can make life worth living again when all else fails.

Be very careful with the weaning process and do exactly as your physician says, because if withdrawn too quickly it can have a rebound effect and the inflammation returns with a vengence.

I know some here think that psoriasis is caused by a fungus. I have seen so many different presentations of "psoriasis" with so many cases not looking anything like the other. I am not convinced that all this stuff they call psoriasis is fungus but I do think that some of it is.

Nightowl, do you have any nutrasilver? you could try adding a drop or two to your silvadine cream. Silvadine has a good absorbant quality. It might carry the nutrasilver right in with it.

It might be time to consider a change in inhaler too.

I also wonder about what sitting at the computer does to your legs. I know that it can make my ankles swell and I've got pretty good circulation. It can be a test for any pair of legs.

Did you ever do MMS?
 

nightowl

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Arrow,

My doctor is pretty careful not to prescibe prednisone for very long. I took 20 mg for a day or two before going to 10 mg. I knew a lady who suffer a terrible headache when she stopped her prednisone too soon.

Yes, I recently ordered two bottles of Nutrisilver, then wasn't sure how to use it. I didn't expect it to be so brown! I will try mixing with the silvadine like you said.

I've fought doctors trying to stay away from steroid inhalers for about 5 years. That's about the only thing left to try. I'm supposed to be using my nebulizer and it's a thorn in my side. I like being able to take my Proventil anywhere I go without a cord attached. If I start feeling more short of breath I do it once in a while, and I know it does get into the lungs better.

My pulmonary doctor just had me take an ultrasound of the main arteries on the inside of both legs. The technicion said she was allowed to tell me that she found nothing wrong...no clots. She also did an Echogram of my heart but I have to wait till I see the doctor next week to know how that came out. I know I have had heart damage from COPD since first diagnosed about 16 (or 17?) years ago but it hasn't bothered me. It looked like the technician was marking a couple of fairly large areas on the monitor. But if it was important I think the doctor would have had me come in earlier.

I haven't used MMS for psoriasis, but did a long time ago. I think the iodine might work as well, don't you think? By the way, you are definately right about Lugol's potency.

5 drops Nascent = 1 mg iodine
30 drops Nascent = 6 mg iodine = 1 drop Lugol's

In another place it says one drop Lugol's = 6.5 mg, but I don't know if he was talking about 5% or 7%....most likely not 2%.

Thanks for not scolding me...but I'd had enough pain and misery.
 

Arrowwind09

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Arrow,

Thanks for not scolding me...but I'd had enough pain and misery.
I would never scold you Nightowl. You do what you need to do to keep going! and I know you like to keep going:)
 


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