Healthcare is a scam

d0ug

New member
Socialised medicine is the worst that could happen. First the people who take care of their health have to pay from the people who don’t. So what is beneficial about being healthy when it cost you the same as people who destroy their body knowing it will not cost them anything and they can get off work.
Just think how the school system would be if everyone got the same mark no matter how hard they study? Or the same wages no matter how hard you work?
When it comes to health everyone thinks that’s different but it is not.
If it comes out of your wallet you might think differently. People are saying I don’t want vitamins or minerals because I have to buy them but the drugs are covered by the insurance.
 

jfh

perpetual student
Staff member
It's the same with car insurance. In nearly 50 years of driving, I've never had to use my car insurance. I've only had one accident, but that was paid by the other person's insurance. But we still have to pay uninsured motorists fee within the insurance, just in case the other party has not insurance. In most States, insurance is a requirement for a driver's license, but I suspect that does not work.

It's the same as home owner's insurance. I've paid and paid. Well, we had a terrific hail storm which badly damaged my roof, which had to be replaced.

That's what insurance does. It puts the risk on the insurance companies. That risk management becomes costly for them.

Health insurance is much more risky and costly, because pharmaceutical companies pretend that their medicines are expensive due to research. My tax money goes toward giving these companies and universities grants for research. So, we feel that we are paying twice.

The USA Affordable Care Act was supposed to negotiate with pharmaceutical companies and get more people out of "free" emergency rooms among other things. Everyone needs to help pay for this. This caused the Act to demand fines for those not paying for any insurance. This balancing act needs to mature.

I believe in socialism to some extent.
 

d0ug

New member
Responsibility should only come when you have the ability to change the outcome.
Insurance is saying you have to pay for people who want to ruin their health by taking drugs, smoking, drinking to excess. If you want to be healthy you are a fool and it will cost you the same as a person who wants to slowly kill themselves.
 

GreenEyedLady

New member
After Abilify & prozac combo fail

After the Prozac and Abilify stopped working for me I have been through nothing but hell...however I am getting better day by day by doing meditation while listening to Solfiggio (?) tones, juicing, excercise, prayer.

There was about a two year period where I was in and out of the hospital due to the lack concern and Doctors just wanting to line their pockets with the kickbacks from the drug companies. that was really horrendous to go through.
plus how the majority of health insurance companies will not fund holistic or alternative health options. I feel we are run by nothing but greedy nazi's. :evil:
 

Ajax

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It's About Security

All types of insurance, whether it is car insurance, life insurance, or health insurance is not about coming out ahead, it's about surviving if the worst happens. When I sold life insurance I would tell people -- well, call me the day before you die to take out a policy and you will certainly come out ahead. You don't know if you are going to have claim or how severe it is going to be. The number one reason for filing bankrupcy in the US is due to unexpected medical bills. There is a joke by a comedian who read about someone dyng of an unexpected heart attack. No one ever says "Well, here's that heart attack I was expecting". And BTW -- totally healthy people can have heart attacks. Their risk is much lower, but it can happen to anyone at any time regardless of health. It even happens to professional athletes.
 

LukasPrince

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All types of insurance, whether it is car insurance, life insurance, or health insurance is not about coming out ahead, it's about surviving if the worst happens. When I sold life insurance I would tell people -- well, call me the day before you die to take out a policy and you will certainly come out ahead. You don't know if you are going to have claim or how severe it is going to be. The number one reason for filing bankrupcy in the US is due to unexpected medical bills. There is a joke by a comedian who read about someone dyng of an unexpected heart attack. No one ever says "Well, here's that heart attack I was expecting". And BTW -- totally healthy people can have heart attacks. Their risk is much lower, but it can happen to anyone at any time regardless of health. It even happens to professional athletes.
Haha it sounds mean but it is true in some way.
 

d0ug

New member
Your life is the most important thing you have. The problem with insurance you think what every mistake you make is OK because you are insured thinking that way could kill you. Take your health into your hands not the insurance company. Your best life insurance is knowledge of how to stay healthy.
 

larryz

New member
Your life is the most important thing you have. The problem with insurance you think what every mistake you make is OK because you are insured thinking that way could kill you. Take your health into your hands not the insurance company. Your best life insurance is knowledge of how to stay healthy.
Too often people make horrible health decisions based on whether or not "insurance cover it". Yet they'll spend a couple hundred on a sporting event but won't purchased natural supplements. The whole system is whacked and won't change soon. The best is to educate yourself and take charge of your health every day 24/7/365. Don't stuff your face then run to the medical doctors hoping they'll fix you.
 

uniden

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Nutriceuticals and herbal medicine are far superior to pharmaceuticals. The US government just won't pass a bill to change current "healthcare" to something better, like orthomolecular medicine.
 

skinwants

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GeneSlimmins

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Your life is the most important thing you have. The problem with insurance you think what every mistake you make is OK because you are insured thinking that way could kill you. Take your health into your hands not the insurance company. Your best life insurance is knowledge of how to stay healthy.
Not all health problems are preventable. Accidents happen. Illness happens. It's good to know you won't die or need to pay thousands of dollars if that happens.
 

d0ug

New member
Most of the illness that kill people is self inflicted Heart disease, cancer, type two diabetes, and dementia these are not caused by bacteria, virus, they are cause by poor health practices.
 

d0ug

New member
Quotation Voltaire 1692-1788

“Doctors are men who prescribe medicine of which they know little, to cure diseases which they know less, in humans they know nothing.”
Nothing has changed
 

naturegal

New member
Most of the illness that kill people is self inflicted Heart disease, cancer, type two diabetes, and dementia these are not caused by bacteria, virus, they are cause by poor health practices.
I agree d0ug, I know for too, many years I never gave a thought to my health because I was healthy for the most part. After getting on the nutrition/exercise in, or around 2006 (and I've come a long way since that but still have a long way to go) I'm at least in better shape (lost my extra 20 pounds) and know "what" I am eating, which is basically balanced, with little white flour if any, and no sugar (rarely). No alcohol or cigarettes (gag).

Medicare is something I worked for, so I have no qualms about getting it. What I do wonder, is about doctors. I am hoping I might be able to see alternative medicine doctors, chiropractors, etc. I maybe should make another thread?? Let me know you guys if you would like me to.
 

kind2creatures

...elusive dreamer
Staff member
I don't go to the doctor's much, but last time I was at the Kaiser facility I saw some signs of chiropractors, and other types of physical therapists there, maybe massage, rolfing....don't know, didn't pay much attention. Will be signing up for Medicare and be on it in 2018. Like you I don't visit the doctor much and hopefully it'll stay that way, but who knows.
 
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