Hypertension

EarlyBird

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So how do you know whether it\'s the Hibiscus Tea or the
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I don\'t. I also must add, that since the holidays,
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\r\nHere\'s info on another anti-hypertensive herb, posted at the Hades site by Wolfgang.

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\r\n Anti-hypertensive effect of water extract of danshen on renovascular hypertension through inhibition of the renin angiotensin system.
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\r\n A study was designed to elucidate the mechanism of anti-hypertensive effects of danshen in the two-kidney, one clip (2K1C) Goldblatt renovascular hypertensive model, which is the renin-angiotensin system (RAS)-dependent hypertensive model. We investigated the effects of water extracts of danshen on the angiotensin converting enzyme (ACE) activities, systolic blood pressure (SBP), and hormone levels in the plasma of 2K1C rats. ACE activity was inhibited by the addition of danshen extract in a dose-dependent manner. SBP was decreased significantly after administration of danshen extract in 2K1C, whereas plasma renin activity (PRA) was not changed. The plasma concentration of aldosterone (PAC) was decreased significantly in 2K1C group administered with Danshen extract, whereas the plasma concentration of ANP was increased by administration of danshen extract for three weeks. These results suggest that danshen has an anti-hypertensive effect through the inhibition of ACE, an essential regulatory enzyme of RAS. https://preview.tinyurl.com/284bh6\r\n \r\n

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\r\nDanshen (Salvia miltiorrhiza) is widely used in traditional Chinese medicine (TCM), often in combination with other herbs. Remedies containing danshen are used traditionally to treat a diversity of ailments, particularly cardiac (heart) and vascular (blood vessel) disorders such as atherosclerosis ("hardening" of the arteries with cholesterol plaques) or blood clotting abnormalities.
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\r\nThe ability of danshen to "thin" the blood and reduce blood clotting is well documented, although the herb\'s purported ability to "invigorate" the blood or improve circulation has not been demonstrated in high-quality human trials. Constituents of the danshen root, particularly protocatechualdehyde and 3,4-dihydroxyphenyl-lactic acid, are believed to be responsible for its vascular effects. Because danshen can inhibit platelet aggregation and has been reported to potentiate (increase) the blood-thinning effects of warfarin, it should be avoided in patients with bleeding disorders, prior to some surgical procedures, or when taking anticoagulant (blood-thinning) drugs, herbs, or supplements.
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\r\nIn the mid-1980s, scientific interest was raised in danshen\'s possible cardiovascular benefits, particularly in patients with ischemic stroke or coronary artery disease/angina. More recent studies have focused on possible roles in liver disease (hepatitis and cirrhosis), and as an antioxidant. However, the available research in these areas largely consists of animal studies and small human trials of poor methodological quality. Therefore, firm evidence-based conclusions are not possible at this time about the effects of danshen for any medical condition.
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\r\nA small amount of research in humans suggests that danshen may improve breathing and lessen cough and wheeze in patients with chronic asthmatic bronchitis. Better studies are needed that compare danshen with more proven treatments for this condition before a clear conclusion can be drawn.
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\r\nDanshen may increase the risk of bleeding. This herb is reported to inhibit platelet aggregation and to increase the blood-thinning effects of warfarin in humans. Caution is advised in patients with bleeding disorders, taking drugs that may increase the risk of bleeding, or prior to some surgical procedures. Dosing adjustments may be necessary.
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Iggy Dalrymple

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\r\n \r\n In Tibet, average lives of people are too short. Some Tibetan tribes die at a young age (about 35 � 45 years old) because of heart attack or heart failure. We understand that their main food is only oats powder with salt. It is just because they take too much brown rock salt or halite. They need more animal protein to neutralize their food nutrition. Their lack of protein is caused by not eating bird meat, cow meat, and fish meat because of their religion, culture, and funeral traditions.
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\r\nWe requested several tribes for medical examination, and we discovered something about their blood pressure. Their average blood pressure was 165/135 mmHg. The main reason of their short life is lack of animal protein which contain important mineral called �Taurine�. They live at high mountains in remote regions in China. We requested 30 selected tribe people to take taurine powder for 60 days with complete medical checkup. Amazingly, their blood pressure became normal at 130/90 mmHg. For sure, these volunteers will not suffer from heart failure before the age of 45 years old, if they will take care of their health as we instructed.
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\r\nNow we have learned about the long life of Masai people and short life of Tibetan people. I believe that I was able to clear the questions of our subscribers.
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\r\nWHAT IS TAURINE?
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\r\nTaurine is a sulfur amino acid essential to the proper functioning of the heart and the eyes. It is found in many animals, especially sea animals, mainly shellfish.
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\r\nPHYSIOLOGICAL ROLES OF TAURINE
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\r\n1. It acts as an antioxidant, and helps prevent macular degeneration and other serious eye diseases.
\r\n2. It reduces blood pressure and cholesterol level, thus, helps prevent arteriosclerosis.
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\r\nOne good thing about taurine is that it will not break by heating. However, because it dissolves easily in water, you should not throw the broth when cooking. Take the broth for your diet.
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\r\nTHERAPEUTIC APPLICATIONS OF TAURINE
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\r\nTaurine might be useful in treating conditions such as: arteriosclerosis, hypertension, heart failure, hair problems such as thin hair and baldness, arrhythmia, hypercholesterolemia, and liver disease.
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\r\nFOODS CONTAINING TAURINE
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\r\nTaurine is found in eggs, fish, meat, and milk. Taurine is also found in some plant foods like seaweeds, but present in very low levels. It is highly present in sea foods such as clam, squid, octopus, and oyster. https://www.pyroenergen.com/articles07/taurine.htm\r\n \r\n

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Iggy Dalrymple

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\r\n A water-soluble green coffee bean extract (GCE) has been shown to be effective against hypertension in both spontaneously hypertensive rats and humans. This multicenter, randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled, parallel group study evaluated the dose-response relationship of GCE in 117 male volunteers with mild hypertension. Subjects were randomized into four groups: a placebo and three drug groups that received 46 mg, 93 mg, or 185 mg of GCE once a day. After 28 days, systolic blood pressure (SBP) in the placebo, 46 mg, 93 mg, and 185 mg groups was reduced by -1.3+/-3.0 mmHg, -3.2+/-4.6 mmHg, -4.7+/-4.5 mmHg, and -5.6+/-4.2 mmHg from the baseline, respectively. The decreases in SBP in the 93 mg group (p<0.05) and the 185 mg group (p<0.01) were statistically significant compared with the placebo group. Diastolic blood pressure (DBP) in the placebo, 46 mg, 93 mg, and 185 mg groups was reduced by -0.8+/-3.1 mmHg, -2.9+/-2.9 mmHg, -3.2+/-3.2 mmHg, and -3.9+/-2.8 mmHg from the baseline, respectively, and significant effects were observed in the 93 mg group (p<0.05) and the 185 mg group (p<0.01) compared with the placebo group. Both blood pressures were significantly reduced in a dose-related manner by GCE (p<0.001). Adverse effects caused by GCE were not observed. The results suggested that daily use of GCE has a blood pressure-lowering effect in patients with mild hypertension.
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Iggy Dalrymple

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\r\nA combination of garlic supplements and vitamin C brought blood pressure back to normal levels in people with mildly elevated levels, says a pilot study.
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\r\n"Combinations of garlic and vitamin C are an effective alternative in the control of marginally high blood pressure," wrote authors Adam Mousa and Shaker Mousa in the journal Nutrition Research (Elsevier).
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\r\n"Garlic ingredients or garlic extract alone increased endothelial cell NO production, an effect that was shown to be enhanced by the combination with antioxidant vitamins," they said.
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\r\nThe study adds to a large body of science indicating cardiovascular benefits for garlic, with consumer awareness of potential health benefits already high. This has benefited the supplements industry, particularly since consumers seek the benefits of garlic without the odours that accompany the fresh bulb.
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\r\nMousa and Mousa recruited six subjects with marginally elevated blood pressure (140/90mmHg) and assigned them to take placebo for 10 days; followed by one-week washout, then vitamin C (2000mg) for 10 days, a further week of wash-out period, then garlic tablets (650mg of bulb powder) for 10 days. Finally, after the last washout, garlic and vitamin C were given together for 10 days.
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\r\n"The effects of garlic and its combination with antioxidants on blood pressure might be explained on the basis of the cellular effects on NO production," wrote the researchers.
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Iggy Dalrymple

\r\n \r\n I\'ve really thrown the book at my hypertension. I thought that the hibiscus had done the trick but it crept back up. I still use the hibiscus but now I\'ve added garlic & taurine to my long time use of Vit C. I replaced ricebran oil with extra virgin olive oil in my salad. I use RBO in my cooking but I don\'t do much cooking. I\'ve also started walking 1.8 miles per day. Last week my BP was 125/78. Today, it was 114/66. If that holds, I think I\'ve got her whipped.
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Marcus

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bifrost99

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\r\nBasically, it\'s gripping something isometrically with 30% of your force for 2 minutes. Rest a minute. Do on other hand. Then repeat another round for both hands. Do at least thrice a week.
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\r\nKnowing the principle, we don\'t really need to purchase the expensive $299.99 ZonaPlus or the $799.99 Dynex1 or the $999.99 Dynex2. But I\'m not stopping you if you like to get them.

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Iggy Dalrymple

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Iggy, where do you get your vit K?

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I use Jarrow MK-7 from NutritionDome.\r\n

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\r\n1. Two-minute hand grip at 30% strength, alternating each hand for two repetitions (total of four grips, two for each hand), done thrice a week.
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\r\n2. Forty-five-second hand grip at 50% strength, alternating each hand for two repetitions, done five times a week.
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\r\n- Where did those protocols come from? Why 50% or 30% strength and not more or less? Why 45 or 120 seconds, and not more or less? There are rest intervals but it could be easily seen that they\'re only to accomodate the use of alternating hands. Thus, 3 minutes for the first protocol (we need 2 of those minutes for the other hand), and 1 minute for the second protocol (we need 45 seconds for the other hand). But then, why one hand at a time? The test pilots were gripping their seats with both hands when this "principle" was noticed, right?
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\r\n- One study compared hand grip with isometric leg press. The leg press had no effect on blood pressure. Why? This leads me to suspect that since the blood pressure measurements are done on the arm, then the grip exercise directly affects the reading. Like, we might have an obese, hypertensive individual, who does nothing but the grip, and his blood pressure reading normalizes even if he remains in his unhealthy state. Can such result mean that the person is now healthier just doing the grip exercise? Conversely, can it mean that arm blood pressure measurements may be insignificant if a person is otherwise healthy?
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\r\nI have never really given much importance to blood pressure readings. Way back in the early \'90s, a medical team went around our offices screening our blood pressures. To my surprise, I was considered hypertensive at 140/100. I did not feel any health problems then, and I don\'t feel any now, even if my BP still hovers around that reading. (I never took any medications for my "hypertension.") Did I, and other people, simply have high blood pressure readings because we did not develop our arm strength/circulation relative to our bodies?
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\r\nI think this is really important. It may mean that arm blood pressure measurements are not reliable indicators of overall health because measurements only reflect the condition at the arm. They could be normalized with an arm exercise even if one\'s overall health or condition remains virtually the same.
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Iggy Dalrymple

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Gerry, do you think squeezing and holding the squeeze with a foam rubber ball would work?

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Arrowwind09

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\r\nJust wondering how your hypertension program was going. Is it still working?
\r\nHave you refined it any? Can you share some details.
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pinballdoctor

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Iggy Dalrymple

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It\'s still erratic. Usually good but frequently it\'ll be around 140. Stress may be the culprit.
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If your blood pressure is near the "target area", you may need to just thin out your blood a little. Garlic, hawthorne and cayenne are great for this.
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I was at the VA a couple of days ago and they drew a blood sample and commented, "Are you a heavy bleeder?" I looked down and the puncture was all bloody. A few minutes later, another technician injected a dye for an xray and asked, "Are you on a blood thinner?"
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Arrowwind09 · 10:08 AM

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JonB

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healthyfreak

\r\n \r\n A lot of great information on reducing hypertension. I don\'t have it but my mom does. She has tried the garlic but with vinegar and honey. We were not sure if it helped because she was also taking BP medication at the same time. She is currently not taking the garlic mixture. Can you suggest other better tasting herbs than garlic?\r\n

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A lot of great information on reducing hypertension. I don\'t have it but my mom does. She has tried the garlic but with vinegar and honey. We were not sure if it helped because she was also taking BP medication at the same time. She is currently not taking the garlic mixture. Can you suggest other better tasting herbs than garlic?

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When talking about high blood pressure just what should it be? I recall reading somewhere that people who had higher PB pressure also had slightly sharper mentally abilities. I know the current standard is 120 over 80 and this is what everyone is shooting for. But just how high is too high? I seem to recall at one time your high side was considered normal, if it was approximately 100 plus your age. This appears to have been discarded and we now have one set of standards that is suppose to fit all. Was this done by being based on good science or was it done similar to the reductions in cholesterol levels as a means to increase the sale of PB pills?
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\nHowever I don�t like the word forever and I don�t like the idea of taking any more medicine then is absolutely required. So I got a PB monitor and started experimenting with smaller doses. Found that once I got to reasonable levels I could maintain them by going back to the 80mg dose once every other day! Also found that moderate exercise is a good way to reduce PB.
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\nAs a side note after one checkup visit for a prescription refill he inadvertently gave me Diovan without the HCT. The Diovan is the super duper drug that that is supposedly doing all the work and the HCT, a diuretic, it is added as a just a helper. Of course without this helper my PB slowly started to rise. As I understand it in the past diuretics were the main treatment for high PB. This raises the interesting question which part of Diovan HCT is actually doing the majority work and what part is the helper and which one has the major effect on its cost?
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bifrost99

\r\n \r\n Hi healthyfreak,
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\r\nHow\'s your mom\'s sleep habits/patterns?
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\r\nCheck out a related thread on the role of sleep in hypertension:
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Arrowwind09

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\nGarlic for hypertension can be taken in capsule form. It is an overall builder of the immune system and will also keep infections away. We eat our garlic raw almost daily. I save the brine from my favorite olives and fill the jar with peeled whole cloves and let them sit for about 2 months before eating. We eat 3 or 4 a day and they are not hot any longer like raw garlic and you will not walk around smelling like you just crawled out of a garlic vat. You can also buy garlic stuffed olives in the grocery store. Thats the brine I ususaly use.

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Hi Arrowwind. You know I didn\'t think of the capsule form. Is it just as effective as the natural raw garlic?
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Hi healthyfreak,
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\nHow\'s your mom\'s sleep habits/patterns?
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\nCheck out a related thread on the role of sleep in hypertension:
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\nhttps://www.natmedtalk.com/showthread.php?t=2149
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\nhttps://www.natmedtalk.com/showthread.php?t=2207
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Hi Gerry, I think she sleeps fine. I don\'t think she is lacking any sleep. She told me that her hypertension runs in the family. She says that her blood is thicker than normal. She also eats a lot of fish products for that Omega 3 FA. She still needs those BP meds to lower her BP. Her BP is high when she first wakes up, but when she takes her BP med it goes down to normal range within an hour.\r\n

Arrowwind09

\r\n \r\n If her blood is thicker than normal she should be on vitamim K2 and nattokinase. I like the brand Block Buster All Clear, it has natto and serapeptase. Two great enzymes for old folks to take. Please! anything but coumadin.
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\nI don\'t know if anything is as effective as raw garlic but certainly more palatable. You have to do what a person will be compliant with over the long haul. I rather eat pickled garlic than take pills. I read a testimonial there a woman cured her MRSA infection by eating raw garlic. 3 to 4 cloves every 2 to 4 hours, day and night for one month.\r\n

Iggy Dalrymple

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My most effective technique to control my BP reading is to breathe long, slow, and deeply.

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Iggy, my bank account would prefer your method!
\nThe Blockbuster All Clear looks like a good product, but, oh my, the cost!
\n�35 - about $70 for 120 capsules, lasting seven days.
\nThere must be a more economical way to buy this?? Does anyone know one?
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\nhttps://www.goodhealthnaturally.com/pd_blockbuster.cfm\r\n

Iggy Dalrymple

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Iggy, my bank account would prefer your method!
\r\nThe Blockbuster All Clear looks like a good product, but, oh my, the cost!
\r\n�35 - about $70 for 120 capsules, lasting seven days.
\r\nThere must be a more economical way to buy this?? Does anyone know one?
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\r\nhttps://www.goodhealthnaturally.com/pd_blockbuster.cfm

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I save a lot by buying bulk powders from Beyond-a-Century.com.
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\r\n� Proprietary fungal proteolytic enzyme blend that matches the unique fibrinolytic activity of the natto fermentation processes. A 1:1 alternative for Nattokinase.
\r\nIn a base of inositol. 200 doses per bottle, 65mg Nattozimes� per dose (1,000 FUs/dose). 50 grams, $13.50 Code 779.1\r\n \r\n

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My most effective technique to control my BP reading is to breathe long, slow, and deeply.

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And there\'s actually a $300 gadget which is designed to train us in just that.
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\r\nAll the gadget does is train us to breathe less than 10 breaths a minute and have exhalation times twice as long as inhalation times. (This is really reminiscent of some Chinese qigong, Japanese haragei, and yoga pranayama technics.)
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JonB

\r\n \r\n In TCM, the kidneys control the heart, so, the kidney tubles clog up, the fluid builds up putting pressure on the heart, voila, high BP. Now if you cleanse your kidneys and the tubles, the pressure is reduced and the BP comes back to normal. Diaretics help remove fluid hence they also help to reduce BP. If you take herbs to to clean your kidneys, then you will reduce your BP. Normal BP should be a 3:2 ratio. The figures don\'t actually matter, as long as the ratio is 3:2.\r\n

Iggy Dalrymple

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\r\n \r\n Reported February 25, 2008 Lowering Blood Pressure - Saving Lives - In-depth Doctor\'s Interview
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\n Harischandra Karunaratne, M.D., a cardiologist, explains a new experimental device that is implanted in the chest to help lower high blood pressure. Topic- Lowering Blood Pressure - Saving Lives
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\n Dr. Karunaratne: The device consists of two separate parts. The first part is the implanted battery system that generates electricity and the second part is a set of electrical leads that are wrapped around the part of the body called the carotid baroreceptors, which are attached to the battery.
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\n Dr. Karunaratne: The battery in the device generates electricity, which then transmits energy through the lead system to the carotid baroreceptors. The carotid baroreceptors function in the body much like what the thermostat functions in controlling the temperature, but instead of controlling the temperature, it controls the blood pressure of the body. When the carotid baroreceptors are stimulated by the battery, the body perceives it as a rising blood pressure. The brain then sends out impulses to the heart, to the blood vessels and to the kidney to lower the blood pressure.
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\n Dr. Karunaratne: Yes, it makes the blood pressure come down. The device actually utilizes the body�s own blood pressure controlling mechanisms to reduce the blood pressure.
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\n Dr. Karunaratne: We have considerable evidence from studies that have been carried out. In patients undergoing surgery where the carotid sinus was stimulated, the blood pressure fell acutely. That was the origin of the studies which were done. Subsequently, there have been implantations of this device carried out in patients with very resistant hypertension. A recently published European study, suggested that in 10 of 13 patients there was a significant reduction in blood pressure in one year.
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\n Dr. Karunaratne: We are hopeful. George is a patient whose blood pressure has been extremely difficult to control. I struggled with controlling his blood pressure for many years. At the time when we started this device, he was taking nine to ten blood pressure medications everyday and these drugs had significant side effects. Though we did manage to get some control of his blood pressure, it went out of control quite frequently. It was extremely expensive for him and the side effects of the drugs made it almost impossible for him to engage in any kind of activities -' + '- even doing his housework was difficult. We implanted this device some months ago and we have seen in his case a very significant improvement in symptoms. I saw him today and he was able to walk around without getting short of breath, his swelling of his legs had gone down. He said most of the time he took his blood pressure at home, it was 100/120 systolic. He was sleeping on three to four pillows previously and is very happy that he is able to sleep on his back on one pillow.
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\n Dr. Karunaratne: The first two patients that I have seen have had a very encouraging response and I�m excited about it. But you have to understand that this is the early trial of a new device and therefore, you have to be cautious interpreting anything. Also, there is hope that we may actually have a device that can avoid all the side effects of drugs and control blood pressure. For those patients who are resistant to multiple medications and suffer from side effects from blood pressure medications, we might have an alternative to expensive and side effect laden drug therapy.
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\n Dr. Karunaratne: Probably in this country about 40 million people have high blood pressure and I think in the 60 to 74 year age group, about half of the white men and women and about two-thirds of all black men and women have high blood pressure. By treating high blood pressure, we have been able to reduce the incidence of stroke by about 40 percent and that itself is a very significant improvement. But in order to achieve that kind of blood pressure control, we have had to use multiple drugs -' + '- four or five drugs.
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\n Dr. Karunaratne: At his worst, I recorded his blood pressure at 250/130 to140. It was a stroke waiting to happen.
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Hibiscus Tea
to Lower Your Blood Pressure

People with high blood pressure (hypertension) can lower their blood pressure by drinking a tea made from a standardized extract of hibiscus flower every day, according to a study published in Phytomedicine (2004;11:375�82). The World Health Organization defines hypertension as blood pressure higher than 140/90.
https://bastyrcenter.org/content/view/489/

My blood pressure was running 140ish. I read about the hibiscus and decided to try it. I bought 3 pounds of organic hibiscus powder from https://www.sharpweblabs.com/shop/hib...nic-p-980.html

I drink green tea all day long, so I've started adding about 1/4 tsp to each quart of tea. It dissolves easily dying the beverage a bright red.

A couple of weeks ago I gave blood and my BP was 121/74.

This morning at the VA my BP was 100/60.
I told the nurse that that sounded too low and to please run it again.
The 2nd time it was 120/60.

I've been using it for about 6 weeks so maybe it's working. During this same time span, I began taking MK-7 Vit K.

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