In fact, one only showed monitoring from chlorate to chloride without bothering to test for chlorite.
As you noted, the studies deal with sodium chlorate (3 oxygen atoms), not sodium chlorite (2 oxygen atoms, MMS). So this is a different product, though possibly going by the same mechanism. In addition, these products were not being tested to treat animals, but to reduce bacteria in the meats. Thus, administration was done sometime before slaughter. It's more like disinfecting the meat for marketing (while the animal is still alive).
Funny that the researchers are even applying a patent for it. Maybe sodium chlorate is less available that sodium chlorite.
A preliminary study indicated that chlorite, a possible intermediate in the reduction of chlorate, had a half-life of approximately 4.5 min in live ruminal fluid; chlorite was, therefore, not specifically measured in ruminal incubations.
Interpretive Summary: Salmonella and Escherichia coli are two bacteria that are an important cause of human and animal disease world wide. The chemical, chlorate, is lethal to these bacteria when administered to animals. A simple method to determine the concentrations of chlorate in the cow�s stomach liquid contents (ruminal fluid) is needed. A high performance liquid chromatographic analysis method was developed to measure chlorate in ruminal fluid. Chlorate alone or supplemented with sodium lactate or glycerol was bactericidal to E. coli in anaerobic incubations (the atmosphere was 100% CO2).
Technical Abstract: Salmonella and Escherichia coli are two bacteria that are an important cause of human and animal disease world wide. The chemical, chlorate, is converted to chlorite and is lethal to these bacteria; however, a simple method to determine the levels of chlorate in ruminal fluid is needed to follow chlorate metabolism. A procedure using HPLC was developed for the rapid analysis of chlorate (ClO3**-), nitrate (NO3**-), and nitrite (NO2**-) ions in bovine ruminal fluid samples. The standard curves for chlorite, nitrite, nitrate, and chlorate were well defined linear curves with R**2 values of 0.99846, 0.99106, 0.99854, and 0.99138, respectively. Concentrations of chlorite could not be accurately determined in bovine ruminal fluid because chlorite reacts with or binds a component(s) or is reduced to chloride in bovine ruminal fluid resulting in erroneously low chlorite measurements. A standard curve ranging from 25 to 150 ppm ClO3**- ion was used to measure chlorate, fortified into ruminal fluid, which was more rapidly (P < 0.01) reduced under anaerobic than under aerobic incubation conditions.
Chlorate alone or chlorate supplemented with sodium lactate or glycerol was bactericidal in anaerobic incubations. In anaerobic culture, the addition of sodium formate to chlorate-fortified ruminal fluid appeared to decrease chlorate concentrations; however, the sodium formate also appeared to moderate the bacterial effect of chlorate against E. coli. Addition of the reductants, glycerol or lactate, to chlorate-fortified ruminal fluid did not increase the killing of E. coli at 24 h, but may be useful when the reducing equivalents are limiting as in waste holding reservoirs or composting systems required for intense animal production.
I had two bladder infections with my big 16 drop dose between the two infections and it obviously didn't prevent the 2nd one. Maybe if I had continued the heavy dosing daily, it would have helped.
but.. did you take it after you found out you had the infection? did it help?
does anyone know of this working on anyone with MRSA?
Iggy, did you actually have an infection at the time you took the dose of 16 drops? I wouldn't expect it to be preventative for future infections. It's duration of action is quite short, I believe, so I would want to use it during an infection rather than before or after.
Iggy, did you actually have an infection at the time you took the dose of 16 drops? I wouldn't expect it to be preventative for future infections. It's duration of action is quite short, I believe, so I would want to use it during an infection rather than before or after.
so, people shouldn't be taking it as a preventative?
Remember that this is a learning experience for me too!!
But if MMS kills pathogens, then it needs to be taken when pathogens are present, I would think.
If I take it this week, and in 6 weeks time I encounter a virus or bacteria, I wouldn't expect MMS to be present at that time, providing protection.
Until we know much more about it, I wouldn't take it long term.
I also tend to think that MMS is curative, not preventive.
However, taking it regularly might be keeping our immune system up and working (just like exercise would do, or taking glyconutrients).
Just guessing, though. Right now, I see it more as a cure than a prevention. Still, how would we know if we are harboring some pathogen? Progenitor has been implicated in cancer, Coxsakie and Chlamydia in atherosclerosis and heart disease, Borrelia in rheumatoid arthritis, and who knows what else?
Jim Humble says that it is preventative and will amp up the immune system.
He recommends 6 drops a day for older folks (is that me yet?)
and 6 drops three times a week for younger folks.
Think of it this way. We are being told that it will go after cancer. Jim has told some cancer success stories. Really sever cancer being cured. Now he does not specify just how it goes after cancer but in some cases it seems to do the job.. This could be a direct hit on the cancer cell by the MMS or it could be a result of a boost in immune function.
Most of us realize that cancer is in the body long long long before we are driven to the doctor with a symptom and resultant horrifying diagnosis. So there you have it..........take it as a preventative when cancer is small and easy to get at.
I am still on the fence with how much I plan to take it. I have started and stopped a few times due to fear thoughts. Right now I'm at 12 drops at night and 6 in the am.
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Still, how would we know if we are harboring some pathogen? Progenitor has been implicated in cancer, Coxsakie and Chlamydia in atherosclerosis and heart disease, Borrelia in rheumatoid arthritis, and who knows what else?
Gerry
This is exactly it! If you follow Rife you understand that all chronic disease has a pathogen involved, including cancer.
I have a question which I am sure has probably been answered several times in this thread already but the thread is getting too long to hunt for it. Is it better to take the MMS on an empty stomach or with food?
The answer is probably in the book, but I am still... waiting for my copy.
Mari
Mari, the protocol has changed a bit even since the book. The word now is it's best to take on an empty stomach.
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Vbulletin is really nice forum software. Thanks, Kevin, for installing it.
and for anyone new to it, just click on the various buttons and see what they do.
One thing I would recommend is:
Click on User CP
click on Edit Options
and set up the options the way you want them.
Kevin, with the forum this small, I would set the topic notification default to "instant email notification" or "daily email notification".
This will keep people coming back to threads that they are participating in when there are responses. sometimes, people don't realize this type of notification has to be set by them, and wonder why they aren't getting notified of activity. This way, it will default to notification.
I'm on my fourth day of 15 drops 3 times daily. I've felt like I'm carsick but I keep functioning and had a loss of appetite as well. It's so important to be sold on the value of MMS before embarking on the drops regime because it'd be easy to give up. I had been using water but started using apple juice to help get it down which helped but my sense of smell is heightened and the smell still brings on nausea. The 15 drops regime has made me feel ill like I'm off my game. I look forward to dropping to the maintenance dose and just want to follow Jim's advisory to take 15 drops a full week.
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