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I went to the bioredox site https://www.bioredox.mysite.com/CLOXhtml/CLOXilus.htm
and thought it may be helpful to copy this part of it here. If I needed the reminder, others may, also!

Considerably lower dosing should be applied in children or in emaciated individuals scaled down according to size or weight. The solution can be taken without food to enhance effectiveness but this often causes nausea. Drinking extra water usually relieves this. Nausea is less likely to occur if food is present in the stomach (preferably starchy food not protein) about one hour after a meal. Other side effects reported are transient vomiting, headache, dizziness, lethargy or malaise. Significant amounts of vitamin C (ascorbic acid) must not be present at any point in the mixtures or else this will quench the chlorine dioxide (ClO2) and render it ineffective. For the same reason antioxidant supplements should probably not be taken on the day of treatment.

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Anyone have suggestions for what is a good ratio of critic acid crystals (Now brand) to water?
The bottle recommends 1 tsp per quart of water for washing of fruits and vegetables. However that seems like it would be too diluted for what we are using it for.
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Anyone have suggestions for what is a good ratio of critic acid crystals (Now brand) to water?
The bottle recommends 1 tsp per quart of water for washing of fruits and vegetables. However that seems like it would be too diluted for what we are using it for.
I believe Jim Humble recommends 1:9,
one tablespoon of citric acid crystals to nine tbs distilled water, ie 10%.
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Default 10% citric acid solution..

Iggy, edit your post above.
Change the 10 to a 9.
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Yes, one part in ten for a 10% solution. This is from
https://www.fourwinds10.com/NewsServe...rticleID=17264

1. Buy a bottle of MMS from your local supplier for the ungodly price of $20. It should last you between 1 and 2 years.

2. Buy Citric Acid Powder from your local health food store.

3. Put 1 TBS of the Citric Acid Powder into a container and add 9 TBS of distilled or purified water to the powder. This is now a 10% solution of the Citric Acid Powder and is the �activator� for the MMS to produce the Chlorine Dioxide.

4. Put the daily dose of MMS drops into a glass and add 5 drops of the citric acid solution for each drop of the MMS in the glass.

5. Wait at least 3 minutes, but no more than � hour, for the activation to occur.

6. Add 4 to 8 ounces of apple, or pineapple juice that has no vitamin C added and then chug it down�(or sip it slowly)�your call.


I am a bit confused about how much time should elapse between taking Vit C and other anti-oxidants, and taking MMS. I have seen variations between 30 minutes, four hours, 12 hours and a whole day! What does anyone else do about this? As Vit C is cleared from the body in a few hours, surely a 12 hour delay is more than adequate?
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Thank guys for the info.
Just mixed today�s batch. Must say critic acid is the way to go. Taste is way better then vinegar. :P
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Just Me - I am sure it is a detox reaction you are having. You may want to just do it before bed for the first week or so. Take 30 minutes to 1 hour after eating and it will be easier on your stomach. Remember there is no rush on this. And you are doing a lot of detox anyway with the ozone.

Drink lots of water.
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Yes, one part in ten for a 10% solution. This is from
https://www.fourwinds10.com/NewsServe...rticleID=17264

1. Buy a bottle of MMS from your local supplier for the ungodly price of $20. It should last you between 1 and 2 years.

2. Buy Citric Acid Powder from your local health food store.

3. Put 1 TBS of the Citric Acid Powder into a container and add 9 TBS of distilled or purified water to the powder. This is now a 10% solution of the Citric Acid Powder and is the �activator� for the MMS to produce the Chlorine Dioxide.

4. Put the daily dose of MMS drops into a glass and add 5 drops of the citric acid solution for each drop of the MMS in the glass.

5. Wait at least 3 minutes, but no more than � hour, for the activation to occur.

6. Add 4 to 8 ounces of apple, or pineapple juice that has no vitamin C added and then chug it down�(or sip it slowly)�your call.


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I am a bit confused about how much time should elapse between taking Vit C and other anti-oxidants, and taking MMS.
I have seen variations between 30 minutes, four hours, 12 hours and a whole day! What does anyone else do about this? As Vit C is cleared from the body in a few hours, surely a 12 hour delay is more than adequate?
Its best to take your antioxidants(including vitamin C) in the morning, and take your two doses of MMS in the evening. Try to time it so your last dose of MMs is just before bed.
Also, when you add your activator to the MMS, wait three minutes, but time it so its three minutes, no more no less. Then once you add your water or juice, you have no longer than a half hour to drink it.
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In Jim Humble's Q and A, which Arrow has posted on the blog (and which I have re-read since my previous post!) I see in A4 that Jim says to allow 4 hours between MMS and Vit C.
A4 ) It would be best to take the MMS first each day and then wait at least 4 hours before taking the C. There certainly isn�t going to be any �hurt� to you by taking with MMS and Vitamin C together. The C just preserves the MMS and prevents it from deteriorating into chlorine dioxide. C is a preservative and thus stops the MMS action, but it can�t hurt you.


Also, I read today, somewhere, that we should wait at least 3 minutes, or it can be longer, so that is not quite so clear cut. I have been using a timer for 3 minutes then diluting. D drinks his in a gulp. I sip mine over an hour, as per Jim's suggestion - somewhere!


PBD - what is the basis for your recommendation of leaving longer than 4 hours between MMS and Vit C, and also for leaving no more than 30 minutes between making the solution, and swallowing it.
Sorry to be nit-picking here, but there are a few variations in recommendations, and I am just looking for explanations to help me find my way!
Thanks for any clarity you can bring. Do you have clinical experience of MMS?
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Found one of those notes!
On the Fourwinds site higher up this page in my post, their item 5 states

5. Wait at least 3 minutes, but no more than � hour, for the activation to occur.

So activation takes from 3 minutes, to 30 minutes. Who is right? I suppose I really want to know - who is the person saying activation may take as long as 30 minutes. Is he likely to know the subject better than Jim Humble? Has he had more experience of the chemistry of the solution, or of the clinical use of it?
I want to get this just right, to make the best use of it.
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In Jim Humble's Q and A, which Arrow has posted on the blog (and which I have re-read since my previous post!) I see in A4 that Jim says to
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allow 4 hours between MMS and Vit C.
A4 ) It would be best to take the MMS first each day and then wait at least 4 hours before taking the C. There certainly isn�t going to be any �hurt� to you by taking with MMS and Vitamin C together. The C just preserves the MMS and prevents it from deteriorating into chlorine dioxide. C is a preservative and thus stops the MMS action, but it can�t hurt you.


Also, I read today, somewhere, that we should wait at least 3 minutes, or it can be longer, so that is not quite so clear cut. I have been using a timer for 3 minutes then diluting. D drinks his in a gulp. I sip mine over an hour, as per Jim's suggestion - somewhere!


PBD - what is the basis for your recommendation of leaving longer than 4 hours between MMS and Vit C, and also for leaving no more than 30 minutes between making the solution, and swallowing it.
Sorry to be nit-picking here, but there are a few variations in recommendations, and I am just looking for explanations to help me find my way!
Thanks for any clarity you can bring. Do you have clinical experience of MMS?
Vitamin C is an antioxidant, MMS is an oxidizer, therefore you want to keep them as far apart as possible, otherwise they will neutralize each other.
Jim was very specific with the three minute activation time. He suggests making sure its three minutes. Then, once the water or juice is added, drink the solution right away, because it deteriorates with time.
Like many others here, I am taking MMS daily. Jim suggests that a second dose be taken within two hours of the first dose. He also suggests that you heal best while sleeping, so I time my second dose just before bed.I am taking the full 15 drop dose twice per day. This is my third day of doing this, and will go the full 14 days. I also have been using MMS on my teeth, and its working just fine.
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I have seen your posts about the good effect on teeth and gums. We are on day 4 now. D had some strong, unpleasant reaction on the second day, but so far, OK today.
I had a weird time after my second dose (3 drops). I felt faint, had unpleasant sensations of discomfort in the chest, strong pulse beats in my hed and neck, so I had none yesterday. 2 drops today with no reaction.


ARROW You asked for reports on the blog. Do you want these early days details too, or is it better to wait till later in the trial?
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Hi Xania,

It only takes three minutes for the drops and 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon vinegar or citric acid to activate or change the solution into chlorine dioxide. Then, when the three minutes are up, add the 1/2 cup of apple or other kind of juice and drink it right away. Every minute that goes by weakens it, but it's still somewhat useable up to 30 minutes. If you have part one of the book, look at pages 9, 10 and 11 of chapter 9.

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P.S. I took my first dose last night. Only 2 drops, but no problems.
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Hi, Nightowl!
Yes, I have both parts of the book. I keep questioning the variants I see in preparation, timing and so on. There seems to be more than one point of view. I suppose we should just take what Jim says as gospel, and ignore the rest.
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Vitamin C is an antioxidant, MMS is an oxidizer, therefore you want to keep them as far apart as possible, otherwise they will neutralize each other.
Jim was very specific with the three minute activation time. He suggests making sure its three minutes. Then, once the water or juice is added, drink the solution right away, because it deteriorates with time.
This makes complete sense to my way of thinking.
However I do not view the activation process as something that requires extreme precision. The three minute time should be close but need not be timed to the second. Once the water or juice has been added it will start to deteriorate, so as long as you have it mixed up you might as well drink it right away. On the other if for some reason you need do wait 30 minutes or so it should still be good.
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