Reversing climate change

nightowl

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Kinda wondering what President Obama meant when he said "...even in MY country!"


Fan Video: Obama: We Can Reverse Climate Change
http://www.comcast.net/video/1271826166/obama_we_can_reverse_climate_change


****Well, I'm adding this note in afterthought...I believe Obama was speaking to an international group when he said that so was probably referring to the US, but it did strike a wrong chord with me at first.
 

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morgan33

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Can't watch the video as my speakers aren't behaving at present, but I seriously wish they could reverse climate change!

As the world continues to cool I worry about the possibility of a looming ice age and am so fed up with all this cooler weather. We had the coldest start to October in many years here in some parts of Oz and I personally am fed up with all this doom and gloom about warming when the world is actually cooling.

When will the warmers face facts and realise that CO2 increasing is fantastic for extra crop production, essential to feed increasing world populations, and obviously has nothing to do with temperatures as they are falling!

If Obama does as expected at Copenhagan it will be a very sad day for the world and esp for America. It will just be the people who stand to make fortunes out of carbon trading and taxes that will be rubbing their hands with glee...
 

nightowl

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morgan33,

Most of the comments on the weather on this forum and the internet recently have been that climate warming is a big lie and how much colder they are this Fall. It's 39 degrees where I live in western Washington right now, a little after 5 AM.

I figure that if the elitists succeed in getting rid of 2/3 of the worlds population, then they will start killing off each other. They probably think they are too important for that to happen...and they are...until they spend all kinds of money helping to get the job done, and then they will be just one more mouth to feed...and someone will want "their" share of the wealth too. It never ends. Eventually, they are going to have to face the Creator and be judged. They will lose their courage then!

I wonder how many people in the world feel they are part of the elite group but are actually just being used and saved till last?...millions, I'm sure.
 
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nightowl

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kind2creatures, very good summary of how all the global warming B.S. got started in the first place. Thanks.
 

EarlyBird

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34* again here this morning in N. Ky. The whole month of October has
been cooler than usual. Personally, I'm preparing for a colder than usual
Fall/Winter.
 

jfh

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I moved to central Texas 2 years ago. It's been unusual for TX ever since.

We had an ice storm that closed down Austin for 3 days. Unusual.

We had flooding rains that wiped out a neighboring town. Unusual.

We had a hail storm that caused millions of dollars of damage. Slightly unusual.

We had an earthquake. Unusual; but would be called a small tremor in California.

We had this summer of more that 60 days of greater than 100F degrees (37.8C).

What should I expect this winter? I'm not built for a mini-ice age.
 

Mad Scientest

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kind2creatures, very good summary of how all the global warming B.S. got started in the first place. Thanks.
[FONT=&quot]Yes that was a very good summary. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The only thing I would add was where he was lamenting about how the side effects of the carbon tax would have a dramatic effect on the lives and freedom of people around the world. I believe that these “side effects” are the actual goal that is being aimed for. [/FONT]
 

kind2creatures

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Death Blow to Climate Science

Hacked files of the Climatic Research Unit, Global Warming a deliberate fraud

The Death Blow to Climate Science


By Dr. Tim Ball Saturday, November 21, 2009

Global Warming is often called a hoax. I disagree because a hoax has a humorous intent to puncture pomposity. In science, such as with the Piltdown Man hoax, it was done to expose those with fervent but blind belief. The argument that global warming is due to humans, known as the anthropogenic global warming theory (AGW) is a deliberate fraud. I can now make that statement without fear of contradiction because of a remarkable hacking of files that provided not just a smoking gun, but an entire battery of machine guns.

Someone hacked in to the files of the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) based at the University of East Anglia. A very large file (61 mb) was downloaded and posted to the web. Phil Jones Director of the CRU has acknowledged the files are theirs. They contain papers, documents letters and emails. The latter are the most damaging and contain blunt information about the degree of manipulation of climate science in general and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in particular.
Climate science hijacked and corrupted by this small group of scientists

Dominant names involved are ones I have followed throughout my career including, Phil Jones, Benjamin Santer, Michael Mann, Kevin Trenberth, Jonathan Overpeck, Ken Briffa and Tom Wigley. I have watched climate science hijacked and corrupted by this small group of scientists. This small, elite, community was named by Professor Wegman in his report to the National Academy of Science (NAS).

I had the pleasure of meeting the founder of CRU Professor Hubert Lamb, considered the Father of Modern Climatology, on a couple of occasions. He also peer reviewed one of my early publications. I know he would be mortified with what was disclosed in the last couple of days.

Jones claims the files were obtained illegally as if that absolves the content. It doesn’t and it is enough to destroy all their careers. Jones gave a foretaste of his behavior in 2005. Warwick Hughes asked for the data and method he used for his claim of a 0.6°C temperature rise since the end of the nineteenth century. Jones responded, “We have 25 years or so invested in the work. Why should I make the data available to you when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it?” He has stonewalled ever since. The main reason was because it was used as a key argument in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Reports to convince the world humans caused rapid warming in the 20th century. The emails obtained are a frightening record of arrogance, and deception far beyond his 2005 effort.

Another glimpse into what the files and emails reveal was the report by Professor Deming. He wrote, “ With publication of an article in Science (in 1995) I gained sufficient credibility in the community of scientists working on climate change. They thought I was one of them someone who would pervert science in the service of social and political causes. So one of them let his guard down. A major person working in the area of climate change and global warming sent me an astonishing email that said. “We must get rid of the Medieval Warm Period.” The person in question was Jonathan Overpeck and his even more revealing emails are part of those exposed by the hacker. It is now very clear that Deming’s charge was precise. They have perverted science in the service of social and political causes.

Professor Wegman showed how this “community of scientists” published together and peer reviewed each other’s work. I was always suspicious about why peer review was such a big deal. Now all my suspicions are confirmed. The emails reveal how they controlled the process, including manipulating some of the major journals like Science and Nature. We know the editor of the Journal of Climate, Andrew Weaver, was one of the “community”. They organized lists of reviewers when required making sure they gave the editor only favorable names. They threatened to isolate and marginalize one editor who they believed was recalcitrant.

Total Control

These people controlled the global weather data used by the IPCC through the joint Hadley and CRU and produced the HadCRUT data. They controlled the IPCC, especially crucial chapters and especially preparation of the Summary for PolicyMakers (SPM). Stephen Schneider was a prime mover there from the earliest reports to the most influential in 2001. They also had a left wing conduit to the New York Times. The emails between Andy Revkin and the community are very revealing and must place his journalistic integrity in serious jeopardy. Of course the IPCC Reports and especially the SPM Reports are the basis for Kyoto and the Copenhagen Accord, but now we know they are based on completely falsified and manipulated data and science. It is no longer a suspicion. Surely this is the death knell for the CRU, the IPCC, Kyoto and Copenhagen and the Carbon Credits shell game.

CO2 never was a problem and all the machinations and deceptions exposed by these files prove that it was the greatest deception in history, but nobody is laughing.

It is a very sad day for science and especially my chosen area of climate science. As I expected now it is all exposed I find there is no pleasure in “I told you so.”
You can download the climate change fraud documents from the link below:
http://www.filedropper.com/foi2009 or http://www.megaupload.com/?d=003LKN94
 

just me

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im lost, have no idea
so can obama be stopped??? Is there a way that our politicians can stop him from signing this treaty thing.... Should we be at least trying to call our representatives, or is obama the soul decision maker on this thing?
 

Arrowwind09

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Of more concern to me than global warming controversy is the shifting magnetic poles of the earth. Some Scientists say that shifting magnet poles will preclude a total pole shift.

Edgar Cayce, the most accurate prophet ever predicted a 17 degree pole shift sometime after 1998. Unlike most of his other predictions he could not give a specific date. He has only had one wrong prediction in all the thousands he made.

Now a group of scientics as reported on NOVA stated that a pole shift is imminent in the not too distant futher. Ths show was pulled after 11 days of air time. This report comes from people who watched the show. Cayce prediced a 17 degree shift that would put the pole in Russia. This NOVA report said 16 degree shift would occur that would put it in Russia right near where Cayce predicted.

This all has to do with the Mayan 2012 prohecy, and the end of a cycle of time, (not the end times) where very specific earth changes are anticipated to occur, as they have been in 26,000 year time segments through the ages. It is the dawning of the age of Aquarius as the axis of the earth moves to point into the Aquarius constellation, which significes the begining of the turn of the weel once again All the other constellations have already been visited by the axis on this cycle that is not coming to an end. Aquarius signifies the start of the the return on the wheel.

In this prophecy that has been spoken by the Mayan, and in part by the Hopi Inidans, as well as the ancient Vendatic Literatures, and Tibetan teachings, the earth changes will occur but humanity will continue. When the event does occur something strange will happen. There will we total darkness for 30 hours.

I have not been able to figure out if this darkness is due to a sun issue or somekind of energetic issue that does not involve the sun. The Hopi's said darkeness would occur for 3 days, but the Mayans claim they are wrong and that it will only be for 30 hours. They said the in the past this caused many human deaths because the darkness was so exteme and the peole paniced and most death was caused by panic...so prepare for that if you are inclined to consider it at all.

I have followed Native American prophecy for over 30 years. It has been so extremely correct..... but for me I have always put slightly more faith in the shamans than the cult scientists. Shamans work from the heart. Scientists work from their wallet.

The fulillment of the Blue Star Prophecy indicates that the time is not far off. The Blue star was one of the largest astronomical events that has occured within our solar system ever, only a couple of years ago..... and I bet most of you never even heard about it as it exploded over your heads. Hopi have been waiting for this indicative event for some time. It marks the begining of the entrance into the portal of the "end times" which runs from October 23 2007 to 2015. The axis of the plant could shift anytime in this fime frame. 2012 is when our axis is scheduled to align directly with Aquarius and this is an astronomical given based in fact and it will indicate the awakening of human consciousness, where humanity becomes a new people in awareness....this is the dawning of the age of Aquarius.

http://www.space.com/spacewatch/071025-comet-holmes.html

http://2012rising.com/article/was-comet-holmes-the-hopi-blue-star



I lived in Texas for 15 years, the weather and events there that you mention Jim is not new, Ice storms are the norm and are found in Austin as well as Dallas. Rains and floods are not new and I have seen parts of
Dallas sink in the waters. The most notable detail is that these floods occure due to changes in the waters natural pathways though diverting rivers and dam building and building on flood planes. Will they ever learn? Of course Katrina is the grandest reflection of these errors in thinking of them all. Texas has has this burden for a very long time.

Although we in the US may be experiencing some cold conditions, draught and heat has hit nmuch of the country, Just look at Georgia, just breaking out of a severe 7 year draught. and all the flooding in the midwest several years in a row now?

When climate changes, no matter which way the change is in general you will see localized pecularities.. It is a very complex weather schemmatic. Draughts have hit Africa severely with record highs for heat.

Do not try to base your decisons and make assumptions on your localized weather. It is a whole planet that must be taken into consideration.

There are concerns by some that the sifting magneti poles will contribute to climate change and it affects tides and currents in the ocean which have a huge influence on weather.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
 

saved1986

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[FONT=&quot]Yes that was a very good summary. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The only thing I would add was where he was lamenting about how the side effects of the carbon tax would have a dramatic effect on the lives and freedom of people around the world. I believe that these “side effects” are the actual goal that is being aimed for. [/FONT]

A BIG FAT REC! I agree 100%. I am a scientist and I think global warming is hogwash!
 

nightowl

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A weather article from the local area....
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Cold and getting colder in Pacific Northwest


Sunday, December 6, 2009 11:28 AM PST

By The Associated Press

The National Weather Service warns that an arctic front is moving south, bringing colder temperatures to much of Western Washington and northwest Oregon. It also will be windy in the Portland area, with gusts of 30-40 mph through Sunday night and up to 60 mph in the mountains and western Columbia River Gorge.

Nighttime temperatures are forecast in the teens and twenties the next two nights, with daytime temperatures likely below freezing on Monday.

It will be even colder east of the mountains, with temperatures falling to 6 degrees Sunday night in Spokane and warming to just 14 degrees Monday.

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It's supposed to get down to 13 degrees tomorrow night and 3 degrees the next night...extremely cold for this area!!
 

EarlyBird

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Climate!

We're having our first snowfall this morning here in the N. Ky/Cinci, Oh area;
roofs and grass covered. Temps finally back in 20's from teens.
It's beginning to look like Christmas time!
 


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