HPV Vaccination becomes mandatory in Texas

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I am stealing these post from another forum. Kevin, I hope we cant get in trouble for this, but this is really important information that needs to get out to everyone. I will have to make a couple post, to get all the info in here.

Rick Perry has signed an executive order, forcing our girls to be guinea pigs for the pharma companies... According to this site, come Sept of 08 girls as young as 11 will have to get the vaccination for the HPV


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Texas Gov. orders anti-cancer vaccine By LIZ AUSTIN PETERSON, Associated Press Writer
Fri Feb 2, 5:42 PM ET

AUSTIN, Texas - Bypassing the Legislature altogether, Republican Gov. Rick Perry issued an order Friday making Texas the first state to require that schoolgirls get vaccinated against the sexually transmitted virus that causes cervical cancer.

By employing an executive order, Perry sidestepped opposition in the Legislature from conservatives and parents' rights groups who fear such a requirement would condone premarital sex and interfere with the way Texans raise their children.

Beginning in September 2008, girls entering the sixth grade — meaning, generally, girls ages 11 and 12 — will have to receive Gardasil, Merck & Co.'s new vaccine against strains of the human papillomavirus, or HPV.

Perry also directed state health authorities to make the vaccine available free to girls 9 to 18 who are uninsured or whose insurance does not cover vaccines. In addition, he ordered that Medicaid offer Gardasil to women ages 19 to 21.

Perry, a conservative Christian who opposes abortion and stem-cell research using embryonic cells, counts on the religious right for his political base. But he has said the cervical cancer vaccine is no different from the one that protects children against polio.

"The HPV vaccine provides us with an incredible opportunity to effectively target and prevent cervical cancer," Perry said.

Merck is bankrolling efforts to pass state laws across the country mandating Gardasil for girls as young as 11 or 12. It doubled its lobbying budget in Texas and has funneled money through Women in Government, an advocacy group made up of female state legislators around the country.

Perry has ties to Merck and Women in Government. One of the drug company's three lobbyists in Texas is Mike Toomey, Perry's former chief of staff. His current chief of staff's mother-in-law, Texas Republican state Rep. Dianne White Delisi, is a state director for Women in Government.

The governor also received $6,000 from Merck's political action committee during his re-election campaign.

The order is effective until Perry or a successor changes it, and the Legislature has no authority to repeal it, said Perry spokeswoman Krista Moody. Moody said the Texas Constitution permits the governor, as head of the executive branch, to order other members of the executive branch to adopt rules like this one.

Legislative aides said they are looking for ways around the order for parents who oppose it.

"He's circumventing the will of the people," said Dawn Richardson, president of Parents Requesting Open Vaccine Education, a citizens group that fought for the right to opt out of other vaccine requirements. "There are bills filed. There's no emergency except in the boardrooms of Merck, where this is failing to gain the support that they had expected."

Texas allows parents to opt out of inoculations by filing an affidavit objecting to the vaccine on religious or philosophical reasons. Even with such provisions, however, conservative groups say such requirements interfere with parents' rights to make medical decisions for their children.

The federal government approved Gardasil in June, and a government advisory panel has recommended that all girls get the shots at 11 and 12, before they are likely to be sexually active.

The New Jersey-based drug company could generate billions in sales if Gardasil — at $360 for the three-shot regimen — were made mandatory across the country. Most insurance companies now cover the vaccine, which has been shown to have no serious side effects.

Merck spokeswoman Janet Skidmore would not say how much the company is spending on lobbyists or how much it has donated to Women in Government. Susan Crosby, the group's president, also declined to specify how much the drug company gave.

A top official from Merck's vaccine division sits on Women in Government's business council, and many of the bills around the country have been introduced by members of Women in Government.

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Again, quoting from the other site:

More information on the mandated vaccine from Medical Ethics, Inc.

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The FDA approved it, TV commercials plug it, news highlights tout it, but there are serious concerns about the new vaccine Gardasil® from Merck. Medical Accountability Network Executive Director Dr. Moira Dolan has reviewed the information made generally available to physicians and outlines here the essential components of informed consent for what is being billed as a miracle anti-cancer vaccine.

Gardasil® vaccinates against four types of human papillomavirus (HPV). The vaccine targets the HPV types that are the cause of many cases of genital warts and the virus infections that are closely associated with cervical cancer.

Physician Duty
The prevention of genital warts and cervical cancer is an extremely worthwhile effort. However, like any drug, the vaccine is not a cure-all and it has some potential downsides. There is an urgent need for full informed consent for potential human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccination. It is the role of the administering physician to remind the parent or patient that FDA approval does not equate to safety. The FDA also turns a deaf ear to the fantastically misleading direct-to-consumer advertising claims. It is the duty of the physician to sort through the hype and government approval and official pronouncements, to provide full informed consent to each and every patient. The essential components of informed consent are:

what the drug (vaccine) is,
what is known and not known about how well it works,
what is known and not known about safety,
alternatives to the vaccine,
the consequences of choosing to take or not take the vaccine.
Gardasil® vaccine is Merck's first big drug development since the Vioxx® disaster. The basis for many Vioxx® lawsuits is that Merck withheld information that clearly showed the dangers of the drug. The company's record does not inspire trust.

The Vioxx® situation revealed a more treacherous problem existing within the FDA itself. FDA insiders exposed how the agency deliberately ignored abundant test information showing that Vioxx® was dangerous to cardiac patients. The systemic failure of the FDA to weigh the risks and protect the public without undue influence of the manufacturers was brought to light by Vioxx® but it has not yet led to any meaningful changes at the agency. In spite of thousands of Vioxx® product liability suits still unresolved, Gardasil® has gotten fast track FDA approval, soon to be followed by Glaxo's Cervarix®.

What is Human Papillomavirus disease?
The HPV infection that is under discussion is a virus that is transmitted by skin to skin or genital to genital contact during sexual activity. It commonly causes genital warts, although infection may occur completely out of view on the cervix, where it is not apparent and does not show any symptoms. There are some 150 named HPV types. Newer testing methods that detect the DNA sequence of viruses demonstrate that there is actually a lot more variation in viral types than this 150, with some suggesting that there are thousands of distinct viral types.

What is the Merck HPV vaccine?
The Merck vaccine contains recombinant-generated Virus Like Particles from four strains of human papillomavirus (HPV), numbered 6, 11, 16 and 18. It is approved for females age 9 to 26. It is given in 3 doses over 6 months, at a drug cost of $360.

Condom use dramatically reduces chance of infection from all types of HP viruses, by as much as 70%. There is no specific anti-viral treatment for infection, but the majority of infections are cleared by the immune system anyway. Of women who contract HPV infection, 90% will clear the infection through the body's natural immune processes. The younger the patient the more rapidly they naturally clear infection.

What is cervical cancer?
Cervical cancer is cancerous growth on the lower portion of the womb, the part that extends into the vagina. Between 1955 and 1992, the number of cervical cancer deaths in the United States dropped by 74%. The death rate continues to go down by about 4% per year. Half of the cases of cervical cancer occur between the ages of 35 and 45. It is rare under age 20. U.S. statistics show 3-4 cervical cancer cases per year per 100,000 women age 9-26. These are the ages on which the new vaccine was tested.

The American Cancer Society reports that cervical cancer is responsible for about 1% of cancer deaths per year. Some claim that this low number is due to effectiveness of routine Pap screening, which results in the detection and treatment of pre-cancerous lesions so that they never get to the cancer stage. However the big drop in cervical cancer also coincides with an increased use of condoms, so it is more likely a combination of the two factors. Nutritional deficiencies, especially vitamin A and folate, mineral deficiency (zinc, selenium, calcium and iron), smoking, birth control use and douching have been shown to be associated with cervical cancer. Increase in number of sex partners is a major risk factor for cervical cancer. HPV infection is highly associated with cervical cancer, yet there remains debate as to whether the virus actually causes cancer.

The vast majority of abnormal Pap tests do not equate to cancer. Even abnormal Pap tests showing pre-cancerous cells of the CIN II grade clear by themselves with no treatment 40% of the time. Treatment of pre-cancers has limited the progression to cancer to only 1%. So Merck's vaccine is coming out at a time when cervical cancer is already on the decline. This is similar to the polio vaccine, which came out when polio was already rapidly going away on its own.

How is HPV infection related to cervical cancer?
30 types of HPV have been found in association with cervical cancer. HPV type 16 is currently found in 50% of cases of cervical cancer, and type 18 is found in 20% of cases of cervical cancer. Some cervical cancers don't have associated HPV, and most people infected with HPV do not get cancer, so HPV cannot be the full cause of cancer. Some researchers and FDA scientists wonder if the abnormal cells (cancerous or pre-cancerous) may simply be a friendly environment for viruses to grow around, so the virus infection may occur after the changes that cause cancer rather than the other way
around. Smoking is has more to do with the progression of HPV infection to cervical cancer than any other single factor. Smokers with HPV go on to develop cervical cancer much more frequently than infected non-smokers.

Does the vaccine work?
Who studied the vaccine in humans?
It is a crucial part of full informed consent to let patients know that all human studies submitted to the FDA were done by or financed by the drug manufactures. It cannot be brushed aside that these studies have limited to no independent scientific review. In fact, it takes a formal Freedom Of Information Act request to obtain the exact study reports and statistical analyses that the drug manufacturer gave to the FDA.

What is the effect of the vaccine on HPV infection?

In the general population the Merck vaccine prevented genital warts that were due to vaccine-type strains.
The vaccine prevented human papillomavirus infection with four HPV subtypes in people who weren't already infected with these types.
The vaccine did not prevent infection with the HPV types that are not contained in the vaccine.
HPV disease due to one of the many subtypes NOT included the vaccine still occurred. Vaccinated subjects got infected with non-vaccine HPV types at the same rate as non-vaccinated subjects.
In subjects who were already infected with a particular vaccine virus type, the vaccine did not prevent disease due to that type, but it did prevent new disease caused by the other vaccine subtypes.
The studies that the drug maker gave to the FDA did not tell if condom use was tracked; this is very important missing data, since condoms alone are responsible for a 70% reduction in all types of HPV. The vaccine gives 100% protection against four HPV types and no protection against other HPV types, whereas condoms give 70% protection against all HPV types.
What is the effect of the vaccine on cervical cancer?
Since HPV is found in connection with most cervical cancers, the theory was that a vaccine against HPV would prevent cervical cancer. However the vaccine studies couldn't demonstrate this, simply because there were no cases of cervical cancer in the vaccinated group or in the group that got dummy shots. So they used a substitute measure (a 'surrogate marker') for cancer. They compared abnormal pre-cancerous Pap results in people who were vaccinated versus not vaccinated.

The vaccine is nearly 100% effective in preventing four types of HPV infection. Two of the four subtypes included in the vaccine are currently responsible for 70% of cervical cancer. So we would expect a 70% reduction in precancerous Pap results, right? However pre-cancerous Paps only went down by 12% to 45%, depending on which population was studied. (See below for the different populations and the reasons for this spread.) Why didn't the vaccine cause a 70% reduction in pre-cancers in the general population?

This could be explained by some method of viral shift. Since the vaccine HPV types got pretty much wiped out as being a cause of pre-cancers SOMETHING must have taken their place because pre-cancers only reduced by 12.2%. The alternate explanation (raised by an FDA scientist) is that the theory that 'HPV causes cancer' could be backwards. Maybe HPV is just a so-called 'opportunistic infection' that is allowed to flourish un-checked in the vicinity of cancer cells.

U.S. statistics show there are 30 to 40 cervical cancer cases per year per one million women age 9-26, the ages the vaccine was tested on. Gardasil®'s reduction of pre-cancers by 12.2% in the general population would mean that instead of 30 to 40 cases of cancer, there would only be 26 - 35 cancers. So it would take vaccination of a million girls to prevent cancer in 4 to 5 girls. About 37% die from cervical cancer, so that would prevent 1 to 2 deaths. So $360 million in vaccine would prevent 1 to 2 deaths.

However this is all conjecture. In the Merck studies the follow up was too short and the numbers too few to prove prevention of cervical cancer.

Results vary in different populations
The vaccine studies were analyzed in several different ways. One analysis looked only at girls whose pre-vaccine testing did not show any evidence of current or past infection with the HPV types that are in the vaccine. In people who did not already have one of the four types of HPV, the vaccine was 91 - 100% effective in preventing pre-cancers that were associated with the four vaccine HPV types. They still got pre-cancer associated with non-vaccine HPV types at the same rate as un-vaccinated girls.

The only way to know if you are going to get this response is if you have never had sex before the vaccine, or you have been tested for evidence of prior infection. The HPV test is recommended by the American Cancer Society as part of cancer screening every three years in women older than 30, but it is not yet widely covered by insurance plans outside of these recommendations.

The more useful analysis was called “the general population”. This is all study participants analyzed together, without separating out the ones who had tests showing current or prior infection with vaccine-type HPV. The results for the general population are much different. Because most women are not getting pre-vaccine HPV tests, these numbers apply to all but virgins. In the general population there was little over 12% reduction in pre-cancer associated with any type of HPV.

Is the HPV vaccine safe?
Can the HPV vaccine actually make infection worse?
The study showed an increase in pre-cancer related to the vaccine types in the people who already had these infections before they got the vaccine. It is possible that when infected girls whose immune systems have not cleared the virus from their bodies are vaccinated, the vaccine may lead to an increased number of cases of a pre-cancer. This is very concerning, because there is no routine test you can get in your doctor's office that will tell if you are already infected by a vaccine type HPV before you get the vaccine.

How does the HPV vaccine affect fertility? Birth defects? Risk of cancers? Breast milk?
Five subjects who got the Merck vaccine around the time of conception had babies with birth defects, whereas no birth defects occurred in this time period in the subjects who got dummy shots. The manufacturer also specifies that the vaccine has not been tested to see whether it could cause cancer. It is not known if the vaccine virus-like proteins or the antibodies pass into the breast milk. Merck says that it should not be given to pregnant women.

The longest portion of the study only lasted just under four years. Thus there is no long term data on how it affects the ability to become pregnant (fertility). This is especially concerning because the FDA has approved the vaccine for as young as 9 year old girls. The effect of artificially influencing the immune system during a time of tremendous hormone shifts of puberty is unknown. The package insert specifies that the vaccine has not been tested for altering genes in the patient or her future children (genotoxicity).

Comparison to other vaccines
Hepatitis B vaccine was rushed to the market and broadly administered to young people in the absence of adequate human safety testing. It is now one of the most common vaccines reported to the Vaccine Adverse Effect Reporting System, particularly for gastrointestinal problems, arthritis and multiple sclerosis. The new HPV vaccine uses aluminum and polysorbate, two substances known to cause cancer in laboratory animals and to alter immune responses.

What are the consequences of declining the vaccine?
The ultimate prevention of HPV is abstinence. Condom use is at least 70% effective in preventing all types of genital HPV infection. HPV infection is often eliminated by the body's natural immune mechanisms. Abnormal Pap tests often return to normal on their own. Cervical cancer is on the decline as are cervical cancer deaths, but it still occurs in about 10,000 women a year with 3,700 dying. Pap tests are required whether or not you take the vaccine.

Who would benefit from the vaccine?
If you have risk factors for HPV infection such as multiple sex partners and no condom use, and you are not already infected by one or more of the subtypes targeted by the vaccine, this vaccine protects you from HPV infection by the four subtypes, but not non-vaccine HPV types.
If you have cervical cancer risk factors such as nutritional deficiencies, multiple sex partners or smoking, the vaccine prevents some episodes of growth of pre-cancerous cells and it may prevent cancer. The vaccine is 12.2% effective in the general population in reducing pre-cancer Pap results. The vaccine is 45% effective over the short term in girls who have never had any of the vaccine-type HPV infections.
The long term safety and effectiveness of Gardasil® is unknown. Effects on causing cancer, infertility, gene mutations, birth defects and effects in breast milk have not been adequately studied in humans.

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Here is the last long quote. Yes they did have conversation in the forum about it, and everyone was against it, logically, but I figured all we needed is the big info.

There is a group called Parents Requesting Open Vaccine Education (PROVE). This information was sent to me by a friend who a homeopath and against vaccines for many reasons. I thought some of you may be interested in reading this information from PROVE and the link to where you can get info on voicing your opinions.


Dear Friends,

Even though the states of Michigan, Maryland, and Indiana have killed, pulled down, or gutted proposed legislation to mandate the controversial new vaccine called Gardasil made by Merck for the sexually transmitted virus HPV, our Texas governor Rick Perry did the unthinkable by bypassing the entire Texas legislature from the process and issuing an intrusive executive order forcing all of our 11 and 12 year old little girls to be vaccinated against this sexually transmitted virus in order to attend the 6th grade!

IMMEDIATE responses to your Texas state senator and representative expressing your opposition is needed!

There are several brave legislators that are working hard at trying to reverse this, but in order for other legislators to be receptive and sign onto and support these efforts, they need to know that the people who voted to put them into office are outraged by the governor’s actions. Please make your voice heard NOW!

The governor is hiding behind the claim that parents can opt out of this mandate, but he is not telling parents the truth that in many cases, the exemption isn’t worth the piece of paper it is printed on: private and parochial schools don’t have to accept the exemption, physicians do not have to accept the exemption and many throw families out of their practices for not receiving all state mandated vaccines, and some insurance companies are discriminating against families whose kids have not received all the vaccines on the state’s required list. Additionally, the exemption process is a bureaucratic nightmare requiring written requests to the State Health Department in Austin forcing the disclosure of your children’s full names, birthdates, and mailing address. Sometimes these forms take weeks to be mailed out by the health department disrupting school attendance and the forms must be notarized and repeatedly submitted every 2 years.

If you don’t know who represents you, you can link to http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/

and enter your address. Click on the links provided for your Texas State Senator and Texas State Representative to obtain their phone, fax, and email. Forward this alert to your friends and family and ask them to help flood the legislature with messages that this is a totally unacceptable abuse of power and demanding that something be done by the legislature to reverse this and prevent it from happening again.

Thank you!


Dawn Richardson

Parents Requesting Open Vaccine Education (PROVE) www.vaccineinfo.net

Here are a handful of talking points to consider:

1) Governor Perry's Executive Order, that MANDATES the HPV vaccine for 6th grade girls, circumvents the legislative process by usurping the authority of our elected representatives to debate and decide bills already filed in the Texas legislature.

2) This MANDATE usurps the rights of the parents of Texas to make medical decisions for their minor children by requiring this vaccine. It is the parents who have to live with the consequences if their child is injured by the HPV vaccine, not the governor or the state of Texas. Texas vaccine exemptions don’t apply in many cases so parents aren’t really free to say no to this shot if it is mandated.

3) This MANDATE forces our little girls to be "experiments" for the new HPV vaccine that has only been on the market since June of 2006 – less than one year! It is made by Merck – the same drug makers as Vioxx! There are already 82 reports of serious adverse events filed with the FDA following the administration of this vaccine.


Oppose Governor Perry’s Executive Order Mandating HPV Vaccine for 6th Grade Girls: What Do We Really Know About the HPV Vaccine?


The American Cancer Society says that even though infection with the sexually transmitted virus HPV is an important risk factor for cervical cancer, most women with HPV infection do not get cervical cancer. Doctors believe other factors must come into play for this cancer to develop. Some of these factors are smoking, HIV infection, Chlamydia infection, diet, long-term use of birth control pills, multiple pregnancies, low income, mothers who took hormonal drug DES, and family history. [1] These are not typical risk factors affecting junior high girls.

According to the National Institutes of Health National Cancer institute, in more than 90% of the cases, HPV infections are harmless and go away without treatment. [2]

Also, according to the CDC, most cervical cancer can be prevented and cervical cancer is very rare in women who get regular PAP tests.[3] Cervical Cancer is not a major killer in the state of Texas thanks to PAP screenings: in 2000, there were 371 deaths from cervical cancer, in 2001 there were 352 and in 2002 there were 329. [4]

The CDC says there are more than 100 strains or types of HPV and over 30 strains are sexually transmitted. [5] Yet the vaccine under consideration for mandate covers only 4 strains. [6] About 30% of cervical cancers can’t be prevented by the vaccine, so women will still need regular cervical cancer screenings. [7].

The only current vaccine manufacturer for the HPV vaccine, Merck, admits on their package insert that the duration of immunity from the vaccine is unknown. [8] In clinical trials, the vaccine’s effectiveness was only followed for 4 years.[9] Yet we do know from the CDC that the incubation period for the HPV virus is about 20 years [10] and the median age of women diagnosed with cervical cancer is 48 [11]. Therefore, no claims to proof of cervical cancer prevention by vaccinating preteen girls should be made.


The HPV vaccine Gardasil was approved by the FDA on June 8, 2006 after 6 months of review.[12] It has been on the market for less than 1 year.

The chairman of the American Academy of Pediatrics committee on infectious diseases was quoted in the Washington Post in response to a proposed mandate in Washington D.C. saying that he thought it was premature to recommend making the vaccine mandatory. "I think it's too early," said Joseph A. Bocchini,…"This is a new vaccine. It would be wise to wait until we have additional information about the safety of the vaccine." [13]

Dr. Martin Meyers, director of the National Network for Immunization Information, was quoted in the Baltimore Sun in response to a proposed bill in Maryland to mandate HPV vaccines for 6th grade girls, "A lot of us are worried it's a little early to be pushing a mandated HPV vaccine." He also said "It's not the vaccine community pushing for this." The article spotlighted HPV vaccine manufacturer Merck’s aggressive role in pushing for a mandate where across the U.S., HPV vaccine mandates could mean $4 billion dollars in sales for Merck [14] who is currently plagued by lawsuits for withholding critical safety information to doctors and patients about their popular painkiller drug Vioxx.[15]

The FDA’s Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System has already received 82 reports of serious adverse events following HPV vaccination with Gardasil since its approval last June. [16]

More questions remain. Disclaimers printed on the manufacturer’s package inset state that the vaccine has not been tested for it’s own ability to cause cancer [17] and the effect on a woman’s reproductive capacity is unknown. [18] Additionally, the vaccine is genetically engineered yet the manufacturer admits it has not tested the vaccine for genotoxicity[17] (testing to see if the vaccine is toxic to our own human DNA). Each dose of the vaccine contains 225 mcg of aluminum [6] which means girls receiving all 3 HPV doses will be directly injected with 675 mcg of aluminum.


The retail cost of the vaccine is $120 per dose, or $360 for the full series of 3 shots. [7] According to one of the authors of the bills filed, Sen. Leticia Van de Putte, there are 162,000 6th grade girls[19] which translates to forcing Texas families paying over $58 million dollars not including the doctor visits for a vaccine not proven to prevent cervical cancer. This is a high price to force families to pay especially for families skeptical of the necessity, efficacy, or safety of the vaccine. Merck is absolved from liability for the injuries and deaths caused by the HPV vaccine through the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 [20] leaving families to deal with the emotional and monetary costs of the harm caused by the vaccine to their daughters on their own.

The vaccine is available to anyone who wants it, so it does not need to be mandated. Federal health programs such as Vaccines for Children cover the HPV vaccine to children and teens under 19 years of age, who are either uninsured, Medicaid-eligible, American Indian, or Alaska Native. The VFC Program also allows children and teens to get VFC vaccines through Federally Qualified Health Centers or Rural Health Centers, if their private health insurance does not cover the vaccine [7], so insurance mandates which raise the cost of insurance for everyone who does not want or need the vaccine are not necessary.

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I went to the link that is posted on the last quote, to find my political folks. So, I called Congressman Ron Pauls office (he is also going to run for president.. might be worth checking out!!!) I also called Senator Mike Jackson, and Represenative Dennis Bonnen... All the secretaries seemed to be in shock about this happening.. It seems Govenor Perry shocked alot of people!!!! I am going to have to wait for any opinions until the gentlemen apparently have time to pick their jaws up off the floor, but all three secretaries promised to call me back... I will let ya'll know... Hmmm wonder if its time for me to move out of Texas, Sure think my granddaughters need to get out quick!!!!! And the thing that makes me the maddest, is the fact that from what I read, this virus is spread by sexual contact, and multilple sex partners... So instead of teaching abstinence, they asssume all our girls will be little whores and lets vaccinate them all!!!!!


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So glad I am no longer in the Texas mess.. In the state I currently live it is a simple proceedure to opt out. Just go to the health department and sign a form.

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They say that we can opt out too, but in some cases opting out, means you cant put your children in certain day cares or certain private schools.


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So it goes with private schools and they have the right to demand vaccinations.

My friend sent her son to private schools in Texas because the did not demand vaccination as was mandated at the time.

Each private school can make its own choice. One of the benefits of being private instead of state.

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Sounds like a case of the camel sticking its nose in the tent, and then before you know it you have the whole camel in the tent. :evil: