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Osteoporosis – A Nine Step Plan Part 1

There are two reasons why osteoporosis occurs according to a clinical nutrition perspective. The first and most obvious reason is that enough of the raw ingredients necessary for bone formation are not taken in. It is a myth that calcium is the key to bone construction. It is only one of the players. It requires a synergistic union of a number of compounds and minerals to create bone matter. First and foremost, the raw materials must be supplied and most of these will be in minerals. Secondary are the necessary vitamins.
The second reason is that there are digestive inadequacies that are preventing the ingested raw materials from getting into the body. Inadequate digestion will keep the minerals and other supporting nutrients from entering the blood stream.
In the elderly there may also be hormonal issues. Have the thyroid and parathyroid checked. Do not accept the medication called synthroid or anything similar if there is a hypothryoid conditon. Demand Armour thyroid. An iodine supplement should be considered and the thyroid rechecked after 3 months of supplementation.
1. Silica is essential for the formation of bone matrix, and the repair of tough connective tissue in joints as well as bones. . It provides the body with strength and flexibility. I would take a natural plant based silica product for the best effect. There are reported cases of cure of osteoporosis with the use of Horsetail herb which is very high in silica and which is highly bioavailable. Many cures have been reported in just 9 weeks but for very advanced osteoporosis it of course would take longer.
Purchase it here:
https://www.altahealthproducts.com/silica.htm
I would take 16 capsules a day for for 3 weeks, then 12 a day for 3 weeks, then 8 a day for 3 weeks, and then maintenance dose of 6 caps a day, (2 after each meal.
You know. No one likes the cure word in conventional or alternative health. It really puts people on on a limb of expectation. But my clinical nutrition teacher uses the cure word for osteoporosis with the use of this silica horsetail product. This product may be a little spendy. After the results are seen I would seek a less expensive organic Horsetail Herb product.

2. Vitamin D3 must be increased. Do not think you will get it from the sun as elderly people loose the capacity to produce vitamin D from the sun. Actually this capacity starts to decrease in the early ‘30’s. I advise that you get your vitamin D levels checked. You want the 25 hydroxy vit D3 level test, not any other. You want your D level to rise to between 40 and 50, 50 being optimum. It is very difficult to get a D level to rise. You will need to mega dose on D until it occurs. It may take several months. Recheck your D level at 6 weeks and adjust your dosage accordingly. When you have reached a 40 to 50 level you can cut back but will still have to supplement daily to maintain your level. When you get to this point use a D supplement that is derived from fish oil such as this one:
To start I would use a product like this.
D3 50,0000 iu 2 x day for one week, then I would take it 1 x day for a week, . then I reduced to 10,000 IU daily. After 6 weeks I had my Vitamin D3 levels checked. Now I take a fish oil product equaling 5,000 IU a day for maintenance. This is what I have done but many different products can be used and in different strengths. If I had access to the injection that is what I would use as it is easier than a pill.

https://www.vitacost.com/Jarrow-Formu...ngredientFacts you will need 12 per day! You can divide them out through the day. Fortunately they are cheap!
Vitamin D will help to reconstruct bones and it will prevent cancer.
https://secure.bio-tech-pharm.com/catalog.aspx?cat_id=2
I have been using this above product, in 50,000 IU, one cap daily at the beginning of my protocol. Some people just take one of these a week after their optimal Vit D3 levels have been achieved.
Vitamin D3 Notes from the Bioidentical Hormone Replacement Therapy Conference I attended.

Ellie Campbell D.O. Family Doctor and Bio - Identical Hormone Expert - My seminar notes


Methods of Application of Vit D3
1. Orally
2. Topical D3 replacement therapy lotion
3. Injection

Vitmain D injection
Dr. Campbell recommends:
One time a year injection of Custom compounded
400,000 to 600,000 IU vitamin D3

Most people will be restored with one injection but there are a few who require a second injection and those people may need 5,000 IU daily to maintain a level 50 over the year.
Dr Campbell recommends the injection to almost all her patients.

In the USA there is no RDA for Vit D

1000 IU is inadequate to restore or to maintain a level 50
2,000 is required to sustain a D level of 50.

deficiency requires 5 to 10,000 IU per day.
Recheck D3 after 5 to 6 weeks
(400 IU is 1/10 of what is needed)

In India each nursing home patient gets a 600,000 IU injection per year routinely!

D levels of 46 to 50 is of best advantage for preventing cancer

Signs of Deficiency over a long period of time:

Proximal muscle weakness
(They can not get out of a chair unless they push themselves and this is caused by deficiency in vit D)
Osteoporosis
Bone pain
Depression
Brain fog
Insomnia
weak fingernails
weak pelvic muscles

The Right Test – use bioidentical vit D3 as the body can process it better
25 hydroxy vit D3 level
1, 25 hydroxy vit D3 level ( don’t use this test as it measures the 1 25 molecule and it has a short half life and you may think you have adequate levels but it does not last )

If Vitamin D stores are adequate the need for high dosages of calcium are not needed. High dosages of supplemental calcium can cause problems, kidney stones. Get most of your calcium from green veggies and the amount you will need to supplement will be much less.

You need the minerals calcium protein magnesium, iodine, strontium, boron, plus exercise with Vit D3 to prevent osteoporois.

She does not recommend any prescription osteoporosis medication.

If you find that some of the supplements you are taking offer Vitamin D and you are concerned about taking too much do not worry. It is turning out that overdosing on Vitamin D is a myth and largely based on inaccurate studies. As a maintenance dose, after your vitamin D3 levels are testing up between 40 and 50, Vitamin D3 5,000 IU to 10,000 IU daily is OK. As time goes by you may see where you need to level off at but only testing will be able to assist you with this.


3. Vitamin K2
https://www.healthmegamall.com/prodV...s_c_p38099.htm
or: https://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1&pid=256
You need at least 90 mcg. This product may help prevent stroke and other vascular issues. If you are on a blood thinner like warfarin/coumadin discuss this with your doctor first.

An abundance of human clinical data reveals that vitamin K plays a critical role in maintaining healthy bone density by facilitating the transport of calcium from the bloodstream into the bone. Few doctors understand that vitamin K is also required by calcium-regulating proteins in the arteries. without adequate vitamin K, calcium in the blood can bind to the arterial wall resulting in calcification. As people age, even a subclinical vitamin K deficiency can pose risks to the vascular system.
Vitamin K1 is obtained in the diet primarily from dark leafy vegetables (lettuce, spinach, and broccoli). Unfortunately, vitamin K1 is tightly bound to the chlorophyll in green plants, thus, aging humans are not always able to benefit from ingested K1-containing plants. While vitamin K1 is not absorbed particularly well from food, it is absorbed from supplements, provided that the supplements are taken with meals.
Vitamin K2 is found in only small quantities in the diet, primarily in dairy products. Human studies show that vitamin K2 is absorbed up to ten times more than K1. Vitamin K2 remains biologically active in the body far longer than K1. For instances, K1 is rapidly cleared by the liver within 8 hours, whereas measurable levels of K2 have been detected 72 hours after ingestion.
Super K provides vitamin K1 and a new biologically active form of vitamin K2 known as menaquinone-7. The menaquinone-7 form of vitamin K is not metabolized quickly by the liver, thereby making it available to provide a more consistent supply of vitamin K to the body.
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4. Magnesium I guarantee that you are magnesium deficient. Magnesium is more important than calcium for bone construction and the ratio of magnesium to calcium should be al least 1 to 1. Some alternative practitions say 2 to 1, with calcium the lesser ingredient.

For Magnesium take a bath with this at least 3 times a week. Transdermal absorption of magnesium will provide the best application of magnesium. You will also take magnesium pills daily. One does not exclude the other,
https://www.globallight.net/Magnesium...kes-30-Oz.html
Find magnesium chloride product and take 600 mg a day.
Find also a calcium citrate product and take at least 250 to 400 mg a day.

This is a good magnesium product. Really, magnesium chloride it the best for absorption. https://www.altahealthproducts.com/MAGNESIUMCHLORIDE.htm
Take three a day and do the baths also. You must saturate your body with magnesium.



5. Protien. To build bones protein is essential. You need lots of high quality protein. Fish, chicken, eggs are great. Red meat once a week is permissible. You need at least 40 grams of protein a day.

Here’s the hitch. Most elderly people do not digest their protein properly. As we age our ability to digest protein goes way down due to a decrease in the production of hydrochloric acid and other enzymes. You will need an HCL supplement to take with all your protein meals and at this stage of the game all your meals should have a protein.

Twenty years of tests done at the Tahoma Clinic in Washington have shown that 90 percent of individuals with osteoporosis have low stomach acid. If your stomach acid is low, your body won’t be able to absorb calcium, strontium, and other minerals nearly as well, and your results won’t be as good.



This is cut and paste that really tells the story quite accurately about Hydrochloric Acid.

Stomach Acid – From https://www.modernherbalist.com/betaine.html

Individuals suffering with stomach and intestinal problems most frequently assume that heartburn, indigestion, gas, and reflux are caused by overproduction of stomach acid. This common misconception has been strongly re-enforced by our conventional medical profession, whose practitioners routinely prescribe stomach acid blocking medications at the slightest sign of stomach dysfunction, failing to properly diagnose the digestive problem by first monitoring the stomach's acid producing function, using scientific methods and neglecting to provide patients with common sense dietary recommendations.

The Symptoms of Over and Under-Production Are The Same
Strangely enough, the symptoms of stomach acid (hydrochloric acid, HCL) over-production and under production are virtually identical. It is therefore unwise to jump to conclusions regarding what's occurring in the stomach without actual testing.

Medical Misdiagnosis Is Very Common
The pharmaceutical firms with their considerable influence on the medical profession have, through advertising, incentives to doctors and various other forms of indoctrination, made it an almost reflex reaction on the part of most physicians, even many gastro-enterologists, to jump to the conclusion that a mojority of gastric problems can be easily treated by the use of acid blocking medications. Because the American public over-consumes unhealthy food at an alarming rate, the routine use of acid blockers is highly profitable for pharmaceutical firms, provides instant relief for many sufferers, but can bring about long-term health problems for many misdiagnosed users.

Functions of Hydrochloric Acid
Hydrochloric acid serves many functions, the three most important are:
1. It is the primary digestive juice responsible for breaking down proteins, preparing them for assimilation.
2. It acts as a protective barrier, killing many potentially harmful micro-organisms in our food.
3. It acts as a venting mechanism for the build-up of excessive concentrations of hydrogen ions in our blood and interstitial fluids. In other words, we consume acid forming foods and / or engage in acid forming activity, the production of stomach acid uses up considerable amounts of the acid forming material (hydrogen ions) thereby assisting in the elimination of excessive tissue acidity. The stomach acid once combined with food is eventually neutralized further down the alimentary canal by alkaline pancreatic secretions.

Underproduction Of Stomach Acid Is A Common Problem
Based upon the testing of sample groups, it has been theorized that well over half of the U.S. population beyond the age of fifty years is under-producing hydrochloric acid on a constant basis, leading to a host of digestive and immune disturbances. One need not be of middle age to have this problem, nowadays it's not uncommon in younger persons as well. The demineralized, devitalized diet that so many are consuming greatly contributes to this problem, which can be significantly compounded by many individuals' preference for extremely low salt intake.


Directions For Use of Betaine HCL
When using Betaine HCL with Pepsin for the first few times, please be sure to follow the directions carefully. Always take Betaine HCL at the start of the meal! If taken without food, stomach burning may result.

1. At the very start of the meal, take one capsule of Betaine HCL. Monitor how your stomach feels during and after eating. Should any burning or heaviness occur, or if burning has been present previously (before taking the supplement) and is now worsened with the use of the Betaine HCL, do not continue using this supplement!!! This is an indication that your stomach is overproducing acid, or that your stomach lining may be damaged. In such cases, please consider the use of Alkabase, Gastric Complex-HP and/or Mastica, to normalize excess acid production and heal the stomach lining.

2. If the first dose of Betaine HCL provided no noticeable stomach discomfort, try taking two capsules at the start of your next meal, again monitor for burning and or heaviness during and after eating. If taking two capsules produces some discomfort, but one capsule does not, restrict yourself to one capsule at the start of each meal. If the two capsule dose produced no discomfort, try three capsules at the start of your next meal.

3. If all goes well when taking three capsules at the start of each meal, stay with that dosage, most individuals will not require increasing the dosage to four capsules. Regular use of supplemental hydrochloric acid will in most cases "re-train" the stomach to produce higher concentrations of acid on its own. This process may take anywhere from several weeks to several months, depending on the individual. The most significant indication that acid production is improving is that Betaine HCL supplementation can no longer be comfortably tolerated.

An Example:
After having used the Betaine HCL for eleven weeks, at a dosage of two capsules per meal, without any discomfort, Joan now notices that she feels a burning sensation when taking the two capsules. She therefore reduces her dosage to one capsule at mealtime. After several more weeks, even one capsule per meal produces burning and Joan discontinues altogether. This is a sign that the stomach has been re-trained to produce adequate concentrations of hydrochloric acid without the further need for supplementation.

When consuming meals that contain little or no protein, much less hydrochloric acid is needed by the stomach to process its contents. Please keep this in mind when using Betaine HCL as a supplement and modify your usage accordingly.
Be sure the Betaine product you choose has Pepsin in it also.
https://www.modernherbalist.com/pics/betaineHCL.jpg
or here: https://www.iherb.com/Search.aspx?c=1...kw=betaine+hcl

I like the www.iherb.com distribution company for a really good price deal.

Now that you have the help you need to digest protein properly here is a great predigested protein product that will easily amp up your grams of protein. It is whey and is just a great product. I mix mine with apple juice and drink it daily. With a product like this you will increase your protein intake about 20 grams without all the fat that is usually associated with protein intake. Be sure to take a Betain HCL supplement when you drink this shake
https://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1&pid=270
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6. Calcium - So What about Calcium?
Women are continually told to take more and more calcium, 1200-1500 milligrams of supplemental calcium per day. It’s a giant mistake. Women who eat a good diet already get about 600-800 milligrams of calcium, particularly if they eat dairy products. Thus they only need about 600-800 milligrams of supplemental calcium with an equal amount of magnesium. About 10 percent of American women already consume excessive amounts of calcium and suffer with side effects (calcifications, muscle cramps, constipation, eyelid twitches, migraines, heart flutters). While it is true that women are losing calcium from their bones on a daily basis after age 40, that calcium is being deposited in their blood vessels (atherosclerosis), joints (arthritis), kidneys (stones), eyes (cataracts), heart valves (mitral valve), aorta (hypertension) and muscles (fibromyalgia, constipation and cramping). Women are trading one disease for at least six others!! The answer to this dilemma is to consume equal amounts of calcium and magnesium. Modern medicine’s answer to calcium overdose is to prescribe over $2 billion of calcium-blocking drugs! Can you imagine, doctors have placed some women on calcium and calcium-blocker drugs at the same time??!!
Women are also mistakenly told they must take calcium and magnesium at different times of the day to ensure proper absorption. This is nonsense. Magnesium does interfere with calcium absorption because that is exactly what it is designed to do. In an animal study, supplemental magnesium reduced calcium absorption but prevented bone loss and increased bone strength. [Journal Nutrition 2000 Feb; 130: 216-20] In a study conducted in South Africa, women who were given 250 milligrams of supplemental magnesium daily absorbed less calcium, but their bone strength increased. [Metabolism 2000, Aug; 49: 1092-96] Calcium by itself doesn’t help rebuild age-related bone mass, it only slows down the rate of bone loss. Women of America.. stop buying into the idea that bone density tests and calcium are your cure-alls.

Find a calcium citrate and take about 250mg a day. Remember, there is more magnesium in bone than calcium. We have been misinformed for many years.

veggies provide the complex phytonutrients necessary to deposit bone into the matrix and some are high in calcium. Broccoli is a winner as is green cabbage, celery, dandilion greens, chinese cabbage, Okra. You should be eating at least 2 foods off off this chart daily that rank in the 30’s or 40’s or greater. Pumpkin Pie any one? Always remember that organic vegetables either fresh or canned will have higher mineral content as they are grown in mineral rich soils.
This chart will show you the calcium content of vegetables
https://www.carrotcafe.com/f/calevel.html

This is a good product for calcium. You want calcium CITRATE. Mix it in some juice. One half teaspoon will be sufficient.. Do not mix this calcium with your protein shake as Calcium tends to nutralize hydrochloric acid (remember Tums?) Or if you prefer you can find a pill instead of powder. But 250 to 350mg should be sufficient. You should be getting most of your calcium from fresh vegetables. If you can’t eat vegetables increase the amount of calcium you take to about 600 mg. https://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1&pid=481

Now the second blockbuster -- 1000 milligrams of supplemental calcium and 400 IU of vitamin D do raise bone density scores, but don't prevent fractures in senior women. The dairy industry initially influenced health authorities to recommend calcium. The dietary supplement industry followed the ill advice as long as it promoted their products.

But there is no possible way calcium supplements can work from a scientific standpoint. Calcium is being lost from bone due to the decline in estrogen production. Think of a fawcet that is dripping calcium into the blood circulation. What good will it do to pour calcium into a bucket of water with a leak in the bottom? All that women have been doing is increasing the amount of calcium clogging their arteries, kidneys, heart valves, and yes, their breast tissue (calcifications are one of the first signs of breast cancer on mammograms). Worse yet, Mildred Seelig, an authority on minerals, cites the fact that estrogen plus calcium increases the risk for blood clots. [Journal American College Nutrition 23:482S-496S, 2004] Dr. Seelig has said the prescription of supplemental calcium plus estrogen also increases anxiety in women, for which many tranquilizers are then prescribed.
So, the 15-year study involving 36,000 women found calcium supplements are worthless, and it predictably increased the risk for kidney stones as well. [New England Journal of Medicine 354: 669-83, 2006] An article in the Washington Post quotes one author of the study saying "I can see how women might be confused." Women? It's the researchers who are confused. One expert said the data were "very sobering." Walter Willett of the Harvard School of Public Health, said: "I think it's clear this study was a mistake."
By Bill Sardi



7. Boron and Strontium and other trace minerals are required to form quality bone matrix.

This is for boron and is a small pill that can should be taken at the same time of day as your calcium: https://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1&pid=428

Taking strontium in addition to calcium is more effective than calcium alone. Numerous studies have demonstrated that strontium does much more than slow the deterioration of your bones—it actually stimulates rapid bone formation. A 2004 double-blind, placebo controlled study published in the New England Journal of Medicine showed that a combination of strontium ranelate, calcium, and vitamin D increased bone density by 9 to 15 percent over three years.1 Research conducted in the 80s by one of the same researchers showed under-the-microscope improvement in bone density with strontium carbonate and calcium. And research done at the Mayo Clinic in the 50s showed both clinical and x-ray improvement with a third form of strontium. (per Dr Jonathan Wright MD of the Tacoma Clinic)

I use a strontium-containing supplement. Look at the following products. One is called Osteo-mins AM & and then there is Ostomins PM. Because some leading researchers state that calcium and strontium mutually inhibit each other’s absorption, calcium is in the PM part of the formula, and strontium is in the AM.

https://www.nutrimed.com/k1110.html or
Osteo-mins AM
Take these pills as directed on the label and it has the boron and strontium in it. Take it at the opposite time of day that you take your calcium. Then….


https://www.nutrimed.com/k1100.html
Osteo-mins PM
Do not take these pills AT ALL as they have too much calcium and not enough magnesium. I just put this here so you would understand why not to order it even though I recommend the AM pills.

Trace minerals. This is a good product and since its liquid it can go into your protein shake. You need trace minerals. Osteoporosis is primarily a mineral deficiency disease complicated by hormonal issues and vitamin deficiency.
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8. Exercise. Weight bearing exercise has proven time and time again to increase bone density and should be added to the above nutritional program. Due to the severity of the osteoarthritis a low weight is indicated. Start with about � to one pound weight and you may find what you are looking for in the kitchen cupboard. A can of soup or similar product will provide sufficient weight to do a repetitive lifting exercise with. Studies indicate that lifting � to one pound weights will stimulate deposit of bone into the matrix. Increase weights slowly. You should not need to go over 2 to 3 pounds in the first year. I do recommend that you contact a physical therapist to develop a weight bearing program specifically designed for you that you can do at home.

9. Hormones –
The University of Toledo has an excellent in-depth description of the role of estrogen, minerals, thyroid hormone and vitamin D, in maintaining bone health. Here is the link to their website:

Eldery women develop osteoporosis due to the fact that they
stopped producing estrogen, which sends a signal to hold calcium in bones. It’s obvious, women need to replace estrogen, but in more mild ways than estrogen-replacement therapy.
The evident answer is to consume plant estrogens (isoflavones from soy, lignans from flaxseed), that are about 1/1000th the strength of human estrogen). [Asia Pac J Clinical
Nutrition 13:S74, 2004]

Barleans High Lingan Flax seed oil – available at any good health food store or Lignans by Flora: https://www.houseofnutrition.com/061998678947.html


High-lignan flaxseed oil – So now, if you are convinced calcium supplements are not the sole answer to the problem of age-related bone loss, then what about plant estrogens?
Here again, the answer is simple. Obtain the amount of plant estrogens that women in Asian countries consume, about 25-50 milligrams per day. A good source of phytoestrogens is lignans from flaxseed.
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To obtain the same amount of plant estrogens as Asian
women, who have lower rates of bone fractures due to
osteoporosis, which of the supplements at left do you
select?

Some flaxseed oil products attempt to add some
flax particles back into the pressed seed oil to
increase the amount of lignans. About 2% of flax
particles are lignans, so 3000 milligrams of flax
particulates would provide about 6 milligrams of
lignans. The North American diet only provides
about 1 milligram of plant estrogens per day,
which when combined with high-lignan flaxseed
oil, is still far short of the 25-50 milligrams Asian
women consume daily. Flaxseed oil is a wonder food, the most concentrated source of
omega-3 oils, but for bone health, women should consume flaxseed meal (the crushed seed), which provides about 25 milligrams of lignans per tablespoon. In severe cases of
bone loss and other health issues related to cessation of estrogen production, purified lignan
extract is also available ( www.brevail.com ) https://www.myvitanet.com/br15eafor2or.html
Crushed flax seeds can be made in a coffee grinder but some people find that it has a strong laxative effect. Severe osteoporosis would require 1 to 2 tablespoons a day that can be sprinkled on cereal or salads. Look into Brevail if you can not tolerate crushed flax seed.



Treating Osteoarthritis

Although I do think that mineral depletion does play a role in osteoarthiritis there are other concerns. Arthritis in general is an inflammation due to often times unknown factors.

1. It can be caused by stress and over use.
2. It can be caused by a microbial invasion to the cartilage and other joint tissues.
3. It can be caused by an inflammatory response that for some reason can not turn off.

In order to heal these joints the first thing that needs to be done is to eliminate inflammation. If inflammation is present it is very difficult for other joint tissues to regenerate. CMO (cetylmyristoleate) is a fatty acid ester made from sperm whale oil. It is highly effective in reducing and most often at eliminating inflammation in joints. When this is done the nutrients of glucosamine and condroitin can do a more effective job in rebuilding tissue.

CMO may require one to three months of therapy. Some people will respond very quickly, in just a week or two, then a few others may require treatment up to 6 months but this is quite unusual. CMO is perfectly safe and will not hurt you in any way even with extended use. You will know if it is working in the first month, This site will provide extensive CMO details.
https://www.healthsalon.org/381/cetyl...oid-arthritis/


For CMO with the product name of Inflameze purchase it here. About $15.00
www.reachforlife.com

at this time 11-10-08 I have found out the Inflameze CMO in this product form is no longer available. This is greatly unfortunate. If anyone finds a product of similar quality that is effective please pm me through this forum. I have tried NOW Brand CMO and only found it somewhat effective. It certainly is not the quality of product that Inflameze is.

This is also a good place to purchase trace minerals also and they should be taken with any osteoarthritis and osteoporosis protocol.

For joint reconstruction with glucosamine and condrointin:
https://www.reachforlife.com/product....cat=280&page=1
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I have seen excellent results in osteoporosis using a combination of these nutrients:
Magnesium
Vitamin D3
Omega -3 Essential fatty acids
Iodine
Seasalt or sea water

Unfortunately, today's screening is declaring many as suffering from osteopenia when in reality it is a normal part of aging.
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I think we need to encourage more specialist geriatricians to save the old elderly from the torture of having to take multiple tablets from innumerable sub specialists even when they are apparently healthy and active. Each one of the normal features of ageing has been converted either into a disease or a risk factor, thanks to the screening bandwagon, which is the most lucrative business. Classical example is osteoporosis where the yard stick for bone density seems to be bone density of a teenager Caucasian girl. Naturally, any one above that age will be osteopaenic! Poly-pharmacy in the elderly is one of the important causes of death next only to the intensive care unit's nosocomial infections!
More important than the studies on sexuality in the elderly we urgently need studies in various countries to see what percentage of the elderly are free from the drug menace! All most all major risk factor intervention trials like MRC, EWPHE, MRFIT, MALMO, HOT, ACCORD, POISE, PROMISE etc. have shown the futility of drugging the apparently healthy. Statistics and the English language of the medical world, laced with Greek and Latin, make it appear that all those studies did give clear signal for drug therapy. Medical language is so corrupted that it brings to memory the famous paper of George Orwell of 1946, Politics and the English Language, recently brought to my notice by Richard Smith, wherein Eric Blair shows elegantly how even "learned men" like Harold Laski could write bad English to mislead the readers: medical writers of today pale into insignificance in front of Prof. Laski.
On example is enough. Seventeen studies of drug therapy of hypertension when computed together give the following picture. Relative risk reduction was -21%. (This measure alone is flaunted on doctors and lay press readers and TV viewers). However, the absolute risk reduction was only -0.8%. The expected life expectancy without treatment was 96% but the same with drugs was only 96.8%. Better than all these is the NNT (number needed to treat measure). Look at the WOSCOPS, " 200 men without any prior heart disease have to swallow 357, 700 tablets over five years to save one of them from dying from coronary heart disease." The MRC mild- moderate study published in the BMJ in 1985 showed "to save one life from probable stroke in the next five years 850 people will have to be drugged!" "This is due to the fact that no exact knowledge exists as to whom of these 200 and 850 will benefit from the treatment." If we present these data to our intelligent people in simple language they would opt out of drug therapy on their own and could be saved from the unnecessary ADR deaths which take a very heavy toll of otherwise useful human lives.
Elderly need to know that their best bet is to live happily without drugs as long as they are apparently healthy-call it health expectancy! Life with drugs, in the words of Professor Sir George Pickering, is a life without any of the privileges enshrined in the preamble to the American Constitution written in 1772 by Thomas Jefferson: "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness." He added "more people in this world make a living off hypertension than die of it." First let us not do any harm even if we can not do good! Yours ever, bmhegde Competing interests: None declared





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I have seen excellent results in osteoporosis
Unfortunately, today's screening is declaring many as suffering from osteopenia when in reality it is a normal part of aging.
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I think we need to encourage more specialist geriatricians to save the old elderly from the torture of having to take multiple tablets from innumerable sub specialists even when they are apparently healthy and active. Each one of the normal features of ageing has been converted either into a disease or a risk factor, thanks to the screening bandwagon, which is the most lucrative business.

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A clinical nutritionist (sub specialist?) may strongly disagree that weakening, softening and porous bones are a normal symptom of aging. They would be inclined to say that it is the result of a long life of nutritional deficiency that can be corrected if properly approached.

Many on this forum and those women friends who have surrounded me over the years are not content to accept "normal" aging. We have other ideas in mind for moving into the senior years.

Time and again it has proven that those women, and women especially, when it comes to osteoporosis, who appear healthy and active do succumb to fractures and often early in life, sometimes as early as in their 50's.

I know several women who have have been diagnosed with osteoporosis in the midle forties through early screening programs. Vigorous, active and at risk for fracture, especially in light of their youthful performance in physical activity, they have been found at risk for fracture. One friend, a master yoga teacher and runner found her bones disintegrating at the age of 48. Fourtunately, through good counsel, she has reversed her condition with supplements and diet change.

I do not approve of nor condone the use of drug pharmacy for osteoporosis and I'd really like to knock some sense into Sally Field for her Boniva commercials! But unless one would just lay down and play ignorant and dead osteoporosis is a reality that a huge percentage of American women are heading for.

The best time to reconstruct is in the 50's and 60's. Then maintenance becomes easier. Early diagnosis is the motivator!

Risk of fracture for a 70 year old woman is a reality and much higher than death from hypertension for any group. To bring hypertension in as some kind of comparison is so off the point and does nothing for the arguement. I work with people with fractures all the time. Wrist fractures, rib fractures, hip fractures, humerous fractures, of course with hip fractures, the most fatal for this age group.

Taking pharma drugs is pretty easy these days. One pill a week or month, and now a shot once a year. It is the alternative methods designed to nourish and rebuilt that require large amounts of pills to be taken along with diet revisions. Many many women would gladly take the supplements, and by the fistfuls if necessary, to avoid the fate of fracture, surgery and loss of life.

To lay down and accept aging and fracture is not the attitude prevalent on this forum, especially when diet changes and supplementation can heal and extend quality of life for many years.
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It may be true that the incidence of osteopenia is higher in American women.However, neither conventional nor natural healing has an effective treatment for women in, as you say, their fifties and beyond.

If they did the drug Fosamax would not be such a bestseller. Yes, it is good to supplement one's diet with materials that are helpful in maintaining bone health but to say that significant impact can be made so easily is to ignore the reality.

It is incorrect to state that "soft, brittle and porous bones" are not part of normal aging. This is found in all societies and in all tissues of the body.Bone density testing is done as a means to motivate women to seek medical care while this medical care is quite inept in reversing the condition.As my friend (previously quoted) Professor Hegde says, it is part of game of the Health Scare Industry. Clinical Nutrition (what makes him a sub specialist?)struggles in many areas and it has also seen lucrative offerings from the screening culture. The yoga teacher and runner may have neglected her nutrition in not appreciating the extra nutrients required due to demands placed on body.It is more difficult to make up once bone substance is lost . Much coffee and alcohol is a significant cause for the loss of minerals and vitamins.
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If they did the drug Fosamax would not be such a bestseller. Yes, it is good to supplement one's diet with materials that are helpful in maintaining bone health but to say that significant impact can be made so easily is to ignore the reality.

It is incorrect to state that "soft, brittle and porous bones" are not part of normal aging. This is found in all societies and in all tissues of the body.Bone density testing is done as a means to motivate women to seek medical care while this medical care is quite inept in reversing the condition.As my friend (previously quoted) Professor Hegde says, it is part of game of the Health Scare Industry. Clinical Nutrition (what makes him a sub specialist?)struggles in many areas and it has also seen lucrative offerings from the screening culture. The yoga teacher and runner may have neglected her nutrition in not appreciating the extra nutrients required due to demands placed on body.It is more difficult to make up once bone substance is lost . Much coffee and alcohol is a significant cause for the loss of minerals and vitamins.
The only reason Fosamax has been a leader in the treatment of osteoporosis is because doctors are not trained to think for themselves and utilize natural remedy. Osteoporosis is a disease not a normal progression of aging. Cures lie in nutrition and also with homeopathy. Coffee and alcohol cause disease to those who are susceptible but in the Mormon population I am associated with coffee and alcohol is not a factor in most of the cases I see. It comes from a lifetime of mineral depletion and digestive disorder often complicated with the use of pharmaceutical drugs.
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I respectfully disagree.

If you think that doctors are not trained to think for themselves perhaps you could call a lay healer next time illness strikes
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Good. We will respectfully disagree. Medical doctors do not think about nutrition at all, 95% anyway.

They are told what to think by pharmaceutically financed medical schools. They are most superbly brainwashed.
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interesting post on cure for osteoporosis ,where may I ask can the evidence for the cure with horsetail be found?
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The Idea was first presented to me by my teacher in Clinical Nutrition. His name is Dr. C. T. Smith who is well known in clinical nutrition circles. The study on silica was done in Europe. this is the only thing on the net I can find...

https://www.altahealthproducts.com/sillicainfo.htm

The info on the study was presented in my text but I left the book at my other residence and dont have it with with. He claims measurable increase in bone density using horsetail herb in about 4 t 6 months.

Went looking around for more info and landed in Dr Weils website. He claims that there is no evidence that silica improved strength of nails or hair. OMG! I knew he couldn't be trusted. Thousands of thousands have testified to silica's effectiveness in such, including myself and a number of people on this forum. I have used it successfully on a number of people and my current set of claws testify to it. They are actually better with horsetail than when I was using Biosil by Jarrow company. My nails grew with biosil but they would chip. With horsetail they are more flexible. Strength comes with flexibiltiy and that is difinately true with bones. think "brittle bones", something you do not want. I use Flora brand as recommended by my teacher. More economical and produced to the same guidelines as Alta.

The above protocol that I put together for various products includes homepathic cell salts that I think are very important, especially for older women who have lost cellular power and enzyme function. They will stimulate a multitude of biological functions and enhance all of the above. In a homeopathic study group I follow the protocol is widely respected for the cell salts even without all the rest.

I was delighted to see horsetail growing along the creek on our new property... so if it ever becomes unavailable I will have my own source.

https://www.bloodrootblacksalve.com/bb.htm further commentary here and photos of Kervran'ns books which I have not been able to obtain so far due to cost. but read the commentary on his book here. https://www.amazon.com/review/product...owViewpoints=1

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You are right, Dr. Weil cannot be trusted.
I find much of what he says incorrect and I assume he is a merchant who goes by profit line first.God made plants for humans to heal.
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while there is evidence to support horsetails positive effect on hair & nails there is no credible evidence in support of osteoporosis ....altahealthproducts are selling a product so I dont consider their study seriously...I havent found any studies that proves horsetail to be beneficial for bones
by the way not all horsetails are created equal , in fact there is a weed that is very similar & is often mistaken for horsetail which is in fact poisonous...so if you proceed
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Equilibrium,

You mentioned that you have health issues and are seeking answers.
I assume you have not found answers or you would not be here.

If you are so inclined to believe studies than perhaps Bovina is a better choice over horsetail or any of the protocol I have written. You will find very little studies done on the use of the 4,000 or more herbs available to mankind but none the less, herbs heal and can cure and have done so for thousands of years without studies but through the direct observations of healers over the ages and far more so that we are currently lead to believe. Through extensive brainwashing we doubt the history and knowledge that has evolved over eons. Our greatest weakness in the use of herbs revolves around the knowledge that we as a collective culture have forgotten. Now we distrust, consider herbs frivolous and and we, as a collective society choose to die from drug poisoning, though our ignorance, instead.

Pharmaceutical companies try to mimic but they always fail.

Alta Health Products is only one of the products I mention that have a good formulation of horsetail by the way. I do trust the integrity of my instructor has he sells no products and in fact in the total course he felt so strongly about this horesetail protocol that he presented the choice manufactures, which he had refused to do on any of the other protocols in clinical nutrition that he presented. He said the information was just too important not to be dispersed and he did feel that we, as clinical nutrition practitioners needed to know which products worked in this case since he says there is a difference in preparations.

My instructor says it works on his clients. Thats good enough for me and if I had osteoporosis the inexpensive 4 o 6 month trial is not a risky deal.

If you dig further into research you will find that silica is an important mineral in bone matrix. But then Kervran states also that there is Biochemical Transmutation going on and this process was written out in my textbook and available in his book.

https://www.iherb.com/Search.aspx?c=1...lora+horsetail
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