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Default Controling the Cycokine Storm in H1N1

There are lots of rumors out there that the worst is yet to come from the H1N1 flu and there are opinions that we are being downregulated with the current vaccine to weaken us to sufficient levels that when the mutated form hits around Christmas time it will take us out... a planned population control measure buy the new world order to help inpliment Agenda 21 (do a you tube search on that one)

Be that as it may, some of my current reading (thanks Nightowl) got me to thinking that I really don't know a hill of beans about down regulating a cycokine storm....except for my theory that Vitamin C will do it.

So I went a looking and I found this interesting article with a discussion that follow it on some forum, dated '05 with discussion of H5N1, the more virulent spanish flu virus.

Take a look. It confirms that megadosing on Vitamin D3 may be the answer as well as essential fatty acids found in fish oil, and perhaps glyconutrients as well.


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Thank you, Arrow, for your link; very interesting information. This may be one
time that being a Diabetic works in MY favor. LOL! I'll continue with my 10,000iu
of D3 as well as my daily fresh garlic. Though the article says zero about garlic
being beneficial, I personally believe it has kept me free of colds/flus for many
years.
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Amazon 50,000iu D3 As this is freepost it may be the cheapest source of effective strength D3 for Stoss therapy needed to deal with a cytokine storm.
More details of using vitamin D to deal with Swine Flu here
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Dr Cannell seems to recommend 200,000 iu daily during flu sickess for 7 days. that is 50,000 higher than I was suggesting and for 4 days longer, but according to my reading I see no danger in this so I will now change my recommendations.

Cannell also recommends the flu vaccine

that is the vitamin D3 that I use and I would warn folks who use fish oil to get their their D, they will not be getting the job done. Better to get your levels tested to see if your supplement is working to your satisfaction. I prefer to keep 70 to 90 on my levels.
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[QUOTE=Arrowwind09;27036][COLOR=purple]Dr Cannell seems to recommend 200,000 iu daily during flu sickess for 7 days.

if you get this flu, take 2,000 IU per kg of body weight per day for a week. As I weigh 220 pounds, I would take 200,000 IU per day for seven days if I thought I had an infection with a 1918-like influenza virus.
But his suggestion is based on weight and he weighs 220lbs. People who weigh less need less and people who are heavier need more.

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I don't always agree with everything Dr Cannell says though I do think most of his vitamin D information is evidence based. But if you look at the incidence/mortality figures for infectious diseases it's impossible to say that Vaccines have altered the course of disease incidence/mortality trends whatsoever. Mostly it's down to cleaner water, cleaner homes and cleaner foods.


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that is the vitamin D3 that I use and I would warn folks who use fish oil to get their their D, they will not be getting the job done. Better to get your levels tested to see if your supplement is working to your satisfaction. I prefer to keep 70 to 90 on my levels.
Fish oil is for omega 3 and it's the EPA+ DHA content that matters so go for the highest strength. But remember it's the omega 6 that depletes the omega 3 and displaces it from your tissues so cutting out sources of industrially made omega 6 grain oils and foods that contain them is probably required as well.
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When I stated supplementing for Vit D3 my doc wanted me to use a supplement derived from fish oil as the source of vit d. I used carlsons and some other product, don't remember now. It barely budged my D3 levels at 2,000 iu a day. Then I switched to Biotec, mega dosed and was very pleased with the results. I keep 50,000 IU and 5,000 IU on hand

Read an article recently that most kids who get the whooping cough have been vaccinated for it..
The pertussis vaccine is pretty dangerous and I have seen what it can do first hand several times. Needless to say it is one my kids did not receive. I wish I had known more about vaccines at the time. but I had that one figured out at least.


Receiving the MMR caused both boys to have abberant cases of chicken pox shortly after. It threw one boy right into the hospital with seizures. It vaccines really screw up the immune response when disease does hit.
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I guess I would try to quell the Cytokine storm with large doses of TNF inhibitors. Which happen to be what I take anyway.

I would increase my dose of Turmeric and Ginger to 3,000 a day. I would also not take my Low Dose Naltrexone until it was gone. Rife machine to kill it off quicker.

I really think my Uncle and Myself both had H1N1 last year. I was extremely sick. To the point that I actually went to the doctor to see if I had West Nile virus. I did not test positive for it, so I am assuming it was the Flu. My Liver was actually stressed from the virus. I took one dose of MMS when I started getting sick, but due to stomach problems I was not able to take it again. With viruses you have to keep taking it regular or it bounces back fast.

The Low Dose Naltrexone has an immune boosting effect which I think made the problem much worse than it would have been otherwise. Prior to LDN, I have never been that sick from the Flu. I think the LDN actually makes your immune system work too good, causing an overreaction. Contrarily, the fact my immune system was weak before likely explains why my reaction to Cold's and Flu's was always so minimal. Now I get sick like normal people do.

The funny part was I always thought my immune system was stronger than most, because I did not get as sick. The reason I did not get as sick is because my immune system reacted so little to the viruses.

My theory in progress.

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Exactly Dan,

In hospice your rarely see people near death get a cold or flu. Their immune system has shut down. No cycokine reactions for them.

Also many people with cancer report that they never had a sick day in their life and as they struggle with cancer and whatever therapy they choose getting a cold for flu is quite rare.
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I do not like finding out I am 100% wrong, but I am glad to know the truth.

Your examples make perfect sense to me.

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