If you are against eating Cloned Meats, here's a petition
website where you can make your voice heard and
hopefully count. :x

www.thepetitionsite.com/

It may be under Consumers Rights if you can't see it right away.

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Cloning is just the duplication of an individual. It occurs naturally in the form of identical twins.

Eating cloned animals is just like eating the same animal over and over again. :wink:

If an outstanding animal is identified (producing more or better milk, meat, eggs, etc.) one way of preserving those traits for generations is by breeding. Cloning is just a quick way of producing the very same animal itself. This is a far cry from genetic manipulation which mixes up genetic material from various species and even genera. Cloning is just another way of breeding.

So I don't see why anyone should object to cloning or eating cloned animals.

Just my view. (I still haven't looked at the site.)

Gerry

I refuse to eat processed foods...

unless I get really hungry... and

I haven't been hungry since I started eating in

the Weston Price fashion!

I would not eat an animal raised by a scientist and...

I sure wouldn't eat an animal cloned by them either!

I'll let someone else be the guinea pig!

Neal

I agree with Gerry I would have no problem with a copy of an original.
But if they start making copies of the copy and then copies of these copies etc. Now I would start to have questions.

I have to agree with Neal on this one: I certainly don't
care to eat them. :x

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I had an ancestor that married his late wife's identical twin.
I guess that he had an appreciation for clones. It's an acquired taste.

Identical twins (or more) have been occurring naturally all this time. How sure could anyone of us be that we haven't eaten such "cloned" animals already? :wink:

It may even be more prevalent in the plant kingdom. Fruits from the same tree can be clones of each other (barring cross pollination). Certainly leaves from the same plant (as in cabbage, broccoli, etc.) are clones of each other.

So what is there to fear?

We should really know and distinguish between "technologies" so that we don't just automatically fear and avoid something we label "man-made." There are things "man-made" that are just the same as nature. Cloning would be one of them. We probably have been eating "clones" all this time, except that we did not call them clones.

Gerry

Do you really believe that crap?

Science can't even come up with a healthy bowl of Raisen Bran!

Right on, Neal

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To say that a cloned animal (based on today's technology) is an exact copy of another one does not seem quite to be the case. There is a low birth rate found in cloned pets. And there is a low survival rate and a whole list of deformities found in cloned farm animals. Exact copies indeed! Something is wrong with these animals, and I don't want to eat them.

Mike

Many food crops are propagated asexually. Most citrus and many nut trees. There is a danger, but it's not in the quality of the food, but the fact that there is less plant diversity, increasing the possibility of a new disease wiping out the entire species as happened with the Dutch Elm.

I think there are a lot of good points to be made for cloning meat for consumption--if it can be perfected and if we know, after many years of testing, that it is indeed safe. But I distrust government recommendations in general because, more often than not, the financial/corporate interests prevail over the science without fully studying the matter. We have been told by government agencies that aspartame, fluoride, microwave ovens, statins, Vioxx, food irradiation, hormone replacement therapy, GMO crops, etc. etc. are or were safe. Not. And to this date, stevia cannot even be used as a sweetener in manufactured food products. The govenment is not looking out for us. Alas, I am sure I am preaching to the choir.

Mike

EU states have already accdepted cloned meat!

https://www.nutraingredients.com/news...shzahfmbwwqizy
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17/01/2007 - There will be no special measures to cover food products from cloned animals in the EU, member states have agreed, following news the offspring of a cloned cow was growing up in the UK.

Officials from the EU's 27 member states decided that milk and meat from cloned animals and their offspring should be considered in the same way as any other novel food.
The urgent talks took place at the European Commission's Novel Foods Working Group, after Europe was last week hauled into the cloned food debate because of news that the offspring of a cloned cow had been born on a UK farm.

�There will at some point have to be an evaluation by the European Food Safety Auhtority [on the issue of food from clones] but we are not expecting an imminent need for this,� Commission spokesperson Philip Tod told DairyReporter.com.

News of the UK cow, named Dundee Paradise, came less than two weeks after authorities in the US signalled they intended to approve milk and meat from clones for human consumption.

Hi Neal,

What crap are you referring to? That there are man-made technologies that are similar/better than nature?

Cooking or otherwise processing tomatoes makes the lycopene several times more bioavailable to our bodies. The same with the nutrients from other foods like eggplants. Is that crap?

Freezing suspends the rotting process, allowing foodstuffs to be preserved and transported over long time periods and distances. Is that crap?

Making yogurt and similar fermented products, is that crap?

Cultivating and harvesting food plants instead of always having to rely on the chance of finding them in the wild (and probably starve in the process), is that crap?

Selecting and breeding animals that are more disease resistant, produce more meat, milk or eggs, and could pass on those traits to their progeny, is this crap? (Cloning is just a shortcut to breeding.)

For sure, there are a lot of technologies that may be crap. But not all.

Gerry

Hi Mike,

I had to read up and check my ideas because of the things you brought up. I discovered I had quite a number of misconceptions about cloning. I thought that cloning was only production of identical twins, but from the quote below, this only happens if the enucleated (recipient) egg also came from the same animal where the nuclear material came from.

The above quote is from Wikipedia,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloning

and I'm surprised to see that they're thinking of "cross-species" nuclear transfer, which I would not classify as cloning. But that's just me. I can have a lot of errors. :wink:

So I stand corrected. With what I just learned from that Wikipedia page, I have to modify my ideas.

I still think that cloning by producing identical twins, that is, nuclear material and egg cytoplasm coming from the same animal, is nothing to be feared. But I now see that "cloning" can be a lot more than just producing identical twins. Using Neal's terminology, humans always have a way of turning good things to "crap."

Still learning...

Gerry