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The answer to the obesity problem lies in cutting out the unhealthy animal fats and sugary processed foods, and eating instead healthy natural foods i.e. fruit, vegetables, nuts, seeds and grains. Together with daily exercise of some sort.
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The answer to the obesity problem lies in cutting out the unhealthy animal fats and sugary processed foods, and eating instead healthy natural foods i.e. fruit, vegetables, nuts, seeds and grains. Together with daily exercise of some sort.
Some people will never learn.
What actually happened after saturated fat was demonised in the mid 1970's?

The Lipid Hypothesis Has Officially Failed


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Some people will never learn.
What actually happened after saturated fat was demonised in the mid 1970's?

The Lipid Hypothesis Has Officially Failed


If you want to succeed you need to
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YOU never learn! One study, by someone we've never heard of, doesnt make it 'gospel' - even if it does have a graph!

See 'The Men Who Made You Fat'. The original study urged people to cut down considerably on saturated fat and sugar. The powerful sugar industry managed to bully and cajole the compilers of the report to drop their recommendations on sugar intake.
After the report was published there was a huge public demand for low fat , which the food industry gleefully supplied with all manner of low fat content processed foods...but to compensate for the loss of taste caused by removing the fat, they replaced it with sugar! Hence...
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The original study urged people to cut down considerably on saturated fat and sugar. The powerful sugar industry managed to bully and cajole the compilers of the report to drop their recommendations on sugar intake.
After the report was published there was a huge public demand for low fat , which the food industry gleefully supplied with all manner of low fat content processed foods...but to compensate for the loss of taste caused by removing the fat, they replaced it with sugar! Hence...
But the problem is the reduction in Fat intake
It's fat that as it passes through the digestive tract that activates the secretion of the satiety hormones that apply the brakes to appetite.
No one can regulate their vehicle speed by simply relying on will power and self control. It would be dangerous.
It's equally dangerous to rely on will power and self control to regulate appetite.
We need to feel full and satisfied and that requires fat consumption.
Plant and vegetable oils are MAINLY omega 6 and that increases inflammation, the inflammation releases IRON from the blood which promotes the growth of pathogenic gut flora and fungi and we end up with increased calorie intake because the pathogenic forms are associated with obesity.
Stress like omega 6 vegetable oils promotes inflammation.
Inflammation reduces vitamin D status and so everyone who is overweight is vitamin D deficient.
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One should refrain against making judgements about overweight people. The reason for their obesity is seldom black and white.
Hormonal imbalances can be a factor.
See 'The Men Who Made You Fat' and how junk food is addictive. Eye-opening.
Emotional imbalances are another often overlooked factor.
A very dear friend of mine has a weight issue. Her husband died at an early age, leaving her widowed, heartbroken and desperately lonely. She finds solace in comfort eating.

We can all agree that being overweight is not conducive to good health. It increases the risk of diabetes, and cancer esp. hormonal cancers and heart disease/failure* among others.
(*Being, say, 4 stone overweight is the equivalent of carrying a sack of potatoes around 24/7...Think of the strain on the heart)

Go into any bookshop and you'll find a whole shelfload of books on 'fad diets' of which Atkins is one, but if any of them truly worked there'd only be one book on the shelf!

Healthy natural foods and exercise is the answer.
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See 'The Men Who Made You Fat' and how junk food is addictive.
for once I agree with you. This is a worthwhile watch. I was expecting to be shouting at the screen but in fact they covered a lot of ground and made a lot of good points.

UK readers will find it here those who live elsewhere may have to use a torrent streamer.
They mention the book PURE WHITE AND DEADLY by John Yudkin in the program
If you want to read it then it's available as a google docs download
here there is a warning notice about googles inability to scan this document (because of file size) but I've downloaded and virus checked it and it works fine.

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I agree with that providing they include those foods that human brains evolved best with and that includes saturated fat from animal sources.
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for once I agree with you. This is a worthwhile watch. I was expecting to be shouting at the screen but in fact they covered a lot of ground and made a lot of good points.
Another two episodes to come it should be noted.

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I agree with that providing they include those foods that human brains evolved best with and that includes saturated fat from animal sources.
Needless to say, I don't agree with that!
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One should refrain against making judgements about overweight people. The reason for their obesity is seldom black and white.
Hormonal imbalances can be a factor.
Indeed. In my case I can put it down to food intolerances. It makes a certain amount of sense, in that nutrients were not absorbed properly, so the body wasn't getting what it needed, so I always felt like I needed to eat something.

Before that all started up I was slim and ate like a bird. Nothing happened that shifted that other than the beginning of IBS and migraines caused by poor digestion.

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See 'The Men Who Made You Fat' and how junk food is addictive. Eye-opening.
Also Excitotoxins by Blaylock.

I'm waiting for conventional medicine to "discover" that there's a link between some Alheimer's and the chemicals we have in our industrial food. Kind of like it took 30 years for them to discover trans fats were not so good.

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We can all agree that being overweight is not conducive to good health. It increases the risk of diabetes, and cancer esp. hormonal cancers and heart disease/failure* among others.
I'm not sure if sometimes the overweight isn't more a symptom than an underlying cause. It likely doesn't help though.

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Go into any bookshop and you'll find a whole shelfload of books on 'fad diets' of which Atkins is one, but if any of them truly worked there'd only be one book on the shelf!
My rule of thumb for any diet is if some culture somewhere never ate that way, it's probably not such a good idea.
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My rule of thumb for any diet is if some culture somewhere never ate that way, it's probably not such a good idea.
Indeed the human species evolved before the invention of farming so it's clear that prior to the introduction of agriculture humans didn't consume grain.

The book PURE WHITE AND DEADLY I provided a link to in a previous post details the increase in sugar consumption that has happened over the past 100yrs.
If we reduced sugar (and HFCS) consumption together with the omega 6 inflammatory seed oils it would make a big difference to inflammation and so disease incidence.

Here is an article by Ronald KRAUSS a leading heart disease expert.
Low-Carb diet may reduce CVD risk better than low-fat diet
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Indeed the human species evolved before the invention of farming so it's clear that prior to the introduction of agriculture humans didn't consume grain.
Oh, they probably gathered wild grains, but it would not have been on the order of calling it "the staff of life."

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If we reduced sugar (and HFCS) consumption together with the omega 6 inflammatory seed oils it would make a big difference to inflammation and so disease incidence.
Oh, I had corn allergy, so reducing consumption of HFCS was something I had to do in a hurry, though I never ate much anyway just because it didn't seem like real food, doesn't taste that good, and I've normally cooked from scratch like my grandmother anyway (I'm in my 60s). Well, I cut way back on any sweeteners in the odd baked good I make. If I want apple pie I would like it to taste like apples.

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Here is an article by Ronald KRAUSS a leading heart disease expert.
Low-Carb diet may reduce CVD risk better than low-fat diet
Yes, my husband and I both followed those recommendations decades ago about cutting out fat and we both put on a few extra pounds and we were never concerned with our weight before, so we stopped that fairly quickly.

I more or less aim for a "high vegetable" diet and stay away from the "white foods" (white flour, white rice, white sugar, and I limit white potatoes).

Another effect of coping with allergies is my oils are olive oil, olive oil and olive oil and maybe butter once in a while. Even canola oil has corn in it -- it's quite ridiculous how much hidden corn exists in seemingly "pure" foods.

I like to eat walnuts as a snack especially for the omega 9s.

Palm oil seems all the rage in health food products, but I have questions about its sustainability and worse, it makes me feel positively sick when I eat it, though I have no allergies to it. I just feel like I ate a rock.

The other fad is coconut oil, which I'm not so sure about either. I use coconut oil in place of sunblock because of the vitamin F, but otherwise I don't use it.
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The point I was making in post #49 was that as is usually the case when the 'reduce fat intake' warning was issued half the people didn't take a blind bit of notice. The other half created the demand for processed low fat foods.
Under the letter of consumer law these products may have complied with the 'low fat' label, but of course excessive sugar content is going to end up as fat, so nobody was any better off.
That is why the 'reduce fat' message did not establish any drop in obesity levels.
So in the absence of background information a graph does not necessarily mean what it might appar to imply.
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1) The point I was making in post #49 was that as is usually the case when the 'reduce fat intake' warning was issued half the people didn't take a blind bit of notice. The other half created the demand for processed low fat foods.


2) Under the letter of consumer law these products may have complied with the 'low fat' label, but of course excessive sugar content is going to end up as fat, so nobody was any better off.
That is why the 'reduce fat' message did not establish any drop in obesity levels.


3) So in the absence of background information a graph does not necessarily mean what it might appar to imply.

1) COUSIN, PLEASE!!! I have to make FOUR stops to get full fat dairy products, because so few places carry any.

2) So much for gov intervention in to peoples lives, huh? If they'd have left the fat in and the sugar out, average body weight would have to reflect the period before they did it, huh?

3) Ya, one study just doesn't cut it. Galileo, Copernicus, da Vinci, Newton, Einstein, et al were all out to lunch, huh?



Great thread, thanks to everyone who contributed!
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Pretty soon we'll only be able to eat grass. I do agree education is the key to fighting all this stuff and unfortunately our society doesn't foster that enough. Couple that with our instant gratification and you have a recipe for obesity, cancer, diabetes, you name it!
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