It is totally fair to judge Sally Fallon by her photo, since several thousand at very least have read or been influenced by the propaganda of the Weston Price advocates which adds confusion to an already muddled and disastrous American nutritional and diet scene. Maybe if she had a deep knowledge in nutrition, health or relevant training, we could overlook her own lack of ability to "walk the talk," but no she cannot even talk the talk. The only reason I brought her up, was because you mentioned the "middle of the road" approach her organization advocated. An approach that left her fat. I don't care what she went through, plainly she is doing much harm by advocating what she advocates, which even she does not benefit from, and not only that, her organization has the gall to attack the much healthier, more ethical and environmental vegan and vegetarian diets.

Eades, is one of the few of the scam fad diet advocate scammers that has the proper credentials, but from the photo you choose to post of him and his wife, he was drinking alcohol. Obviously he is not that into health. He also does look like he has a bit of a gut though he has likely made a small fortune advocating low carb, high animal product diet that according to his hyping should have been able to mitigate that spare tire! Also I must mention that just not being visibly fat, does not mean you are internally healthy or have good biomarkers. But when you have people like Fallon who are not only overweight, but have no proper knowledge, or people like Eades who carve out a niche cholesterol denialist, low-carb niche to enrich themselves, we should look at how the diet they advocate has done for them visibly. They fail that test handily. People should hold these guru charlatans to higher credentials, but sadly I find most Westerners are hedonistic, greedy, selfish and always want the easy way out. They want to hear they can eat more animal products than ever, all they have to do is avoid carbs. What they don't want to hear is that they have abandon the foods they have been addicted to.

Also just by mentioning that you work on a ranch and garden for 12 hours and still need to entertain the merits of fad diets centered on macronutrition starvation should ring up alarm bells. But I guess you will figure out whatever justification or workaround you need to feel good about your carnism centered diet.

you dont know what the hell he was drinking. Your assumptions are rediculous and merely thin air to frame your arguement.

You read what you want to read and comprehend through your limited biased based filters. Im done with you.

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Try getting your point across without being rude, or post somewhere else.

This is getting downright amusing!
The pot calling the kettle black x3

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The three accusing Thrasymachus of being rude.. are just as rude

Thrasymachus has the right to voice his/her opinion to Ted & carry on what is an interesting debate. Ted is quite skilled with words himself & certainly doesn't need protection or people starting drama.

So let me see, what Weston Price advocates is just propaganda and solely designed to make money while what a vegetarian advocates is solely done on health, ethical and environmental concerns. There it is so much easier to understand when you get down to the grass root of the argument.

I guess you could call me a vegetarian because I do like grass based foods. However I do like to first have the grasses preprocessed by a cow.

So if you will excuse me for awhile because today I need to go and pick up another half side of cow preprocessed grass.

I couldn't agree more, Cookie.

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Lol, he just got dressed up and is using a fancy glassware that he obviously was toasting with his wife together, to drink some healthy designer grape juice or apple cider. Obviously you hold the people who you get info to such low standards, you don't care that they don't care about their own health, they just care about getting rich for pretending they care about health -- theirs and yours. That suits them fine, since they just care about taking home a healthy salary. It would be win-win, but you are actually damaging yourself compared to if you followed higher standards instead of wasting money by following their advice.

I remember hearing all the time Gary Null mention on his radio show how Carlton Fredericks, Adelle Davis and all the health gurus active in the 1970's when he started his career were drinkers, smokers, coffee addicts, you name it. They would advocate health in ways that did not inconvenience much the suckers that paid them to lecture, and live out a poor lifestyle that was disease promoting instead of restorative.

@Mad Scientest :
What Weston Price did was so amateurish, vague and unmethodical compared to modern epidemiology. Further the Weston Price Foundation that hijacks his name likely serves pro big business, livestock interests and thus they advocate a diet that due to ample research and historical knowledge, we know is suboptimal via spreading confusion. The best they could manage was to find a totally unqualified and fat women to be their President. But sadly that does not matter, most Americans only consider themselves with earning as much money as they can, entertaining themselves, and adjusting themselves around addictions of comfort. So a Sally Fallon, despite being a bad lifestyle example and unqualified will have an easier time attracting followers than a John McDougall, who is exemplary in both criteria. People don't want to leave their known comforts and instead want to be convinced they can make micro changes and miraculously have a healthy diet and lifestyle. That is why fad health gurus like Robert Atkins and the newest fad movement like Paleo are so attractive, they allow people to adjust around their comforts with false constructed knowledge that it is healthy.

You cannot make an argument for meat eating based on health claims, ethical or environmental concerns. Many people have tried in this thread and others and failed. The agricultural policies, laws and regulating bodies in developed countries are biased toward making animal products abundant and cheap. There is no real money in promoting a plant based diet compared to a meat based one, because it requires less resources, labor and reduces chronic medical conditions. This is why meat advocating groups like Weston Price Foundation are able to fund ghost writers like Denise Minger and Lierre Keith just to discredit vegans and vegetarians who make up only a small fraction of the population in the USA. They have alot of money behind them since their way is not only dominant, but more expensive.

I'll just get in the middle of this and put my two cents in about the atkins diet. I used to yoyo diet a lot with atkins and I lost a lot of weight. I can see any diet healthy or not if fat is coming off that you'll have a lot of good health indicators when do a check up. If your obese and from an atkins you maintain a healthy weight then I'd imagine cholestrol, blood pressure and most other signs will improve. I personally feel it's a sleeping aid, what is worse sleeping 4-5 hours or the side effects of a sleeping aid. If atkins helps maintain a healthy weight then I think it's great for those people.

Personally I would yoyo all time until recently that now I eat more fruits and vegtables and have more variety in my diet than the mostly meat diet. I have less bodyfat than any time i was on an atkins diet and I've kept it off for a year of not coming on two years, because I changed my life style and eating habits. Atkins is too restrictive for me, especially with the fruits, grains...etc

Just my opinion

Hmmm. Please, let us all be civil. All diets have their pros and cons. The problem in the US is the quality of the meats. Unless you get free range here, you are basically getting tons of chemicals. As for diet, this is what I see in elderly greek and italian populations in our part of the counrty: The ones that go light on meats and heavy on veggies, tend to have much better health.

A good point. Consider the Masai. They eat plenty of what some people here would call "healthy" free range organic meat and plenty of what the same people would call "healthy" animal fat, throw in near nakedness in a sunny, tropical climate -so plenty of vitamin D! - and yet...the average lifespan of a male Masai is 42.
The theory doesn't stack up.

But why do they die?

Daily energy expenditure and cardiovascular risk in Masai, rural and urban Bantu Tanzanians
You can't conclude that it's the diet that is causing the lower life expectancy.

One lone study of 50 is hardly representative of a people.