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Hey guys! I am new to the forum here... and looking for a little bit of advice.

I am 22 years old, a healthy male individual that within the last year had a slight depressive breakdown. Ever since then, I have been researching ways to never experience that feeling ever again, whatever the cost, and without using harmful drugs (Prozac, Wellbutrin etc)

Anyway, here is my stash:

Oils:
Flaxseed Oil
Coconut Oil
Hemp Oil

Supplement Vitamins:
B Vitamin Complex (With Vitamin C)
Multivitamin
Calcium, Magnesium, Zinc
Potassium Powder

Miscellaneous
Lecithin
Rosemary leaves

I guess what I am wondering is, which of these should I take together? I am pretty positive that all of these supplements are meant to be taken on a full stomach, and I usually take one of each all at the same time after lunch or after dinner. Should I spread these out? For instance, should I take all the oils together, all the supplement vitamins together, etc?
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You don't say from where you come. If it's North of latitude 35 then the chances are you are vitamin d deficient as there is insufficient UVB reaching ground further north. So EVERYONE further from the equator than lat 35 should be taking an EFFECTIVE AMOUNT of Vitamin D3 Cholecalciferol at least during the winter if not throughout the year. Depression does tend to have a seasonal element so making sure vitamin D status stays high and even is sensible.

While coconut oil is a sensible choice when added to the diet to replace modern industrially produced grain/seed vegetable oils (soy, corn, safflower, cottonseed, sunflower etc) I don't think using it as a supplement is particularly helpful as the amount in supplements is pretty trivial and it's an expensive way to obtain it.

While I've nothing against flax and hempseed oils, and use them myself we have to understand the conversion of plant sourced omega 3 to the DHA brains use is minimal. So particularly for people who are depressed marine sourced omega 3's should ALSO be available.

Magnesium is best taken with food in small amounts through the day.
So if you require 400mg daily then 100mg with each meal and 100mg before bed would achieve the highest absorption certainly a lot better than 400mg in the morning on an empty stomach.
Vitamin D3 is best with the oils with food ideally a cooked bacon/eggs breakfast fried in coconut oil. It's a fat soluble vitamin.

It is also almost universally the case that modern diets do not provide sufficient magnesium so I'm pleased to see you using that but MOST people only obtain 50% of the current magnesium RDA and most people who understand the 300+different enzyme actions dependent on magnesium availability would say the current RDA is woefully inadequate. Particularly if you take my advice and also increase your Vitamin D intake 5000iu/daily.
Increasing vitamin d3 also increases the amount of calcium absorbed, calcium requires magnesium to counterbalance it's actions, most diets (which include dairy products) provide sufficient calcium but DON'T provide sufficient magnesium hence the need to use magnesium supplements and to reconsider the need to supplement with calcium. I'd rather NO ONE used a calcium supplement and think it FAR SAFER to ensure all calcium comes from food/drink. If you must use calcium then NEVER use more than 500mg daily. (unless your intention is to shorten your life)

Don't be fooled by magnesium mixtures including magnesium oxide only 4% of which is bioavailable. While I don't know what multivit/min you are using my bet is that the magnesium is from magnesium oxide in which case don't bother counting it.
Use a magnesium chelate from Albion Patent minerals one of the better absorbed forms
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I you are taking oil based supplements best to take them with a meal and like ted says it is an expensive way to go.

I use a lot of coconut oil and now hemp oil. Coconut oil I take simply by the spoonful. The expeller processed does not taste like coconut oil and therfore is good for cooking.. The raw virgin tastes like coconut and you can cook with it especially if you like everything tasting like Thia food...

For my hemp oil I but a natural commerical salad dressing. get two bottles and divide it up in half between the two. Then refill the bottles the rest of the way with hemp oil. I vary the proportions some based on the type of salad dressing I use.

I also make a butter spread with either hemp or flax seed oil. Take two sticks of soft butter, add about 1/4 tsp seasalt or to taste, add dried tarrogon or basil leaves, add 1/4 cup flax or hemp oil, mash together ... keep in fridge as these oils go rancid easily. use anywhere you would use butter. My husband will eat the flax one but he hates the hemp one... were I prefer just the opposite.

If your depression is sever I suggest that you watch this movie...

"Food Matters" available on netflix streaming..

or go to youtube and search

here is a clip of food matters. This man is the editor of the Orthomolecular journal, although not a doc he is very very well educated in alternative medicine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K2tqxKf2EE
and here is Dr Hoffer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH1_v0zh_gk
niacin can cause quite a signficant flush so be prepared for that.. take perhaps just before bed and in the am at least 1 hour before you have to go anywhere.

I also think that after an extended period of time that depression will go away and supplements like niacin may not be needed if the diet is organic, largely raw foods and with sugar eliminated and carbs moderated.

These people with OCD and schizophrenia may have something more complex going on than standard depression brought on by nutritional deficiency of minerals, vitamins and enzymes coupled with toxic overload of chemicals.
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I'm inclined to agree with you there Jacqueline. There is no substitute for a healthy, natural diet, backed up as a nutritional safeguard by a quality multivitamin. Plus any individual supplements i.e. Cal/Mg if you have a diagnosed deficiency.
Supplements are all well and good, but you don't get the plethora of trace minerals, enzymes and antioxidants that you get from natural food.
So I would say work on improving your daily diet.
Pure ocean kelp is something I would strongly recommend for anyone who has been living off a poor diet in the past. Pound for pound POK must be the most nutritious substance you can consume. Its range of nutrients is unsurpassed.
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I'm inclined to agree with you there Jacqueline. There is no substitute for a healthy, natural diet, backed up as a nutritional safeguard by a quality multivitamin.
But no one sells a multivitamin with an EFFECTIVE amount of vitamin d3, most use the form of B12 that many people cannot activate and most are packed with cheap magnesium oxide of which only 4% is bio-available. I could go on and on but as I'm going out tonight there is insufficient time. Most multivits are a waste of time and money. Even the expensive ones.

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Plus any individual supplements i.e. Cal/Mg if you have a diagnosed deficiency.
Most people will show adequate plasma magnesium from typical testing because magnesium is essential for every muscle fibre movement and every neurone activation. Magnesium is require to relax the fibre and calm the neurone while calcium tenses the nerve and excites the neuron. So we have to drag magnesium/calcium from stored reserves in the skeleton or we wouldn't move a muscle or think at all so would be dead. Therefore any deficiency in magnesium only shows up when around 98% of stores are exhausted. It really pretty much too late to rely on magnesium testing to identify deficiency.
The best idea is to use the online calculators for magnesium/calcium and work your foods through them and see if you total the RDA then used effective amounts of effective forms the make up the difference (and a bit more for magnesium because the rda is too low and if you require more than 500mg calcium you need to improve your diet because more than 500mg calcium daily is counter-productive.

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Supplements are all well and good, but you don't get the plethora of trace minerals, enzymes and antioxidants that you get from natural food.
So I would say work on improving your daily diet.
indeed concentrate on nutrient dense foods like raw eggs, liver and dairy products + fish and meat.

Nutritional data Seaweed, kelp, raw

Egg, whole, raw, fresh
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The best foods to rejuvenate body and spirit are 'living' foods i.e. that contain the life-force. Fruit, nuts, seeds etc. (If anyone is on the Path, nuts and fruits, esp. berries raise the spiritual vibration of the body)

As for multivitamins. In an ideal world, we wouldn't need any form of supplements. Unfortunately the soil on which the majority of 'our' food is grown is heavily depleted due to years of poor land management and mis-management. So some form of multivitamin as nutritional insurance is a wise and sensible investment.
Yes, you need to be careful when choosing a MV. A supermarket or chemist is not the place to go. Choose a natural MV with a full B Complex. (There are 11 B vitamins in the B complex)

As a footnote to the calcium issue. The bulk of the body's calcium is in the bones and teeth, but calcium is involved in hundreds of different bodily processes. The main function of calcium in the body is to regulate heartbeat. When the body does not acquire enough calcium from the diet, it will strip down calcium from the bones and teeth (hence 'lace curtain teeth' for example) to meet its requirments.

Back in the summer I developed a passion for fruit smoothies - 100% fruit, 100% natural, no added sugar. Delicious, the ideal summer drink, but...loaded with fruit sugar. I ended up with bad tooth decay, came on almost overnight.
Shocked was not the word! I took a multimineral, containing 500 mg calcium amino acid chelate and 250 mg magnesium amino acid chelate with 2,000 i.u. vitamin D (This was D2, frowned on here).
It didn't say, but my experience told me the source of the MM was seaweed/kelp.
Anyway, 9 weeks later, ALL tooth decay had completely disappeared/remineralized. My teeth in general are considerably stronger now than at any time.
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