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I don't trust those tests anyway. I've had 2 in the last 5 years due to Dr recommendation. They turned out to be no problem, but I would not have trusted them anyway. Just did it for insurance qualification the first time.

The doctors tell men that it is OK to have coffee before the test, but caffeine can raise the count. Prostate enlargement and infection can raise the count. Plant sterols can lower the count. That's why saw palmetto is so good. Also nettle leaf, maca, and pollen can give great aid to the prostate. I was not told to avoid them before the test. Just too untrustworthy.
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This has to hugely confusing to folks.

Here's why I would have the test done and I will continue to recommend it to my husband.

The PSA detects inflammation. We all know that inflammation is a precursor to cancer but it is also a precursor to other things... arthritis, parasites, infection, etc., all that can promote prostate disease other than cancer. It is clear that prostate disease can be very disturbing and needs treatment. Best to treat early.
If you know that your psa is elevated you know that something is amiss.. cancer or no, it would motivate you to be proactive in reducing inflammation.

Of course mainstream docs wont think that way and they wont be prescribing Beta Sistosterol.. or MMS or any of the things known to bring donw PSA levels. So you have to remain rational in the face of an elevated psa.

All this would not be such a huge issue if they promoted prostate cancer treatments that work.

With an elevated PSA one could consider seeing a good iridologist.
Certainly I'd be doing MMS
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If you know that your psa is elevated you know that something is amiss.. cancer or no, it would motivate you to be proactive in reducing inflammation.
And there is the biggest problem as I see it. Many men would hear the doctor say that it "likely" indicates cancer. Then panic sets in, followed by surgery. There must be some other measure to determine prostate problems. I think this report will make that happen.
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The PSA test looks for a specific molecule, that is made by one of four varieties of fungi.

The PSA test is a "fungus test".
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And there is the biggest problem as I see it. Many men would hear the doctor say that it "likely" indicates cancer. Then panic sets in, followed by surgery. There must be some other measure to determine prostate problems. I think this report will make that happen.
Well, thats exactly it. Most people will panic because they are not armed with a real health education and they follow TPTB and succumb to fear.
We are trying to change that here on this forum.

Use the test, and be wise about it.
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The PSA test looks for a specific molecule, that is made by one of four varieties of fungi.

The PSA test is a "fungus test".
can you reference that PBD?
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Most people will panic because they are not armed with a real health education and they follow TPTB and succumb to fear.
Oh how right you are. A guy in this car club that I belong to got a high PSA reading last winter so I suggested he look into alternative treatments, I even gave him a link to forum were he could find additional information.

But the "Gods in white coats" had him so terrorized that he would be doomed if he didn't follow their instructions. So now he back to wearing dippers.
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can you reference that PBD?
https://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2005/0049207.html
  • Costantini, et. al. Etiology and prevention of prostate cancer: Hope at Last. Fungalbionics series. 1998/1999. Johann Friedrich Oberlin Verlag. Freiburg, Germany.
The PSA is a 33-kDalton serine protease inhibitor made by the Ascomycete fungi, Aspergillus flavus, Aspergillus fumigatus, Aspergillus oryzae, Ophiostoma piceae, and Scedosporium apiospermum. An elevated PSA is seen not only in men with prostatic disease, but also in women with breast, ovarian, pancreatic, and colon cancer; and even in women during pregnancy.



There has been much, recent confusion on exactly what is the role of the prostate specific antigen (PSA) in screening for and following the course of prostate cancer. Up to 50% of the time, a “positive” (high) PSA level, upon further, biopsy evaluation, does not correlate with prostate cancer. If PSA screens for fungus, then PSA levels should decrease with antifungal therapy, hence:
  • Mann, D. Antifungal agent lowers PSA levels, study finds. May 1, 1997. p6. Medical Tribune.
The antifungal drug, Nizoral� (ketoconazole) lowered PSA levels in men with prostate cancer. It was suspected that ketoconazole's ability to increase estrogen levels, via inhibiting the breakdown of estrogen in the liver in men, was the mechanism for this lowering effect. However, if indeed a high PSA signals a fungal infection gone awry, then the antifungal effect of ketoconazole should be the obvious reason for the lowering of the PSA.
Mycotoxicoses are not Rare, as is Typically Thought to be the Case.
  • Arena, Jay; Drew, R. Poisoning: Toxicology, Symptoms, Treatments. 5th ed. Charles C Thomas. Springfield, Ill. 1986.
Mycotoxins may turn out to be responsible for more than one human ailment about which current textbooks say “pathogenesis unknown.”


Americans consume an estimated 0.15 to 0.50 mg of Aflatoxins daily. Grains, peanuts tree nuts and cottonseed meal are among the more common foods on which these fungi grow.
  • Wren, W. Aflatoxins high in state's central region. Fort Worth Star Telegram. Aug. 6, 1996.

Corn and grain sorghums rejected for human use because of high aflatoxin levels are going to feed lots for livestock.
  • American Institute for cancer research newsletter. Issue 63. Spring 1999.

Cancer risk may be increased by drinking any amount of alcohol, and it doesn't matter if it's beer, wine or whiskey.
  • Aflatoxins. U.S. FDA Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition. Foodborne Pathogenic Microorganisms and Natural Toxins Handbool. Vm.cfsan.fda.gov. April 2001.

Aflatoxins produce acute necrosis, cirrhosis and carcinoma of the liver in a number of animal species. No animal species is resistant to the acute toxic effects of aflatoxins. Aflatoxicosis may be suspected when a disease outbreak exhibits the following characteristics:
    • The cause is not readily identifiable
    • The condition is not transmissible
    • Syndromes may be associated with certain batches of food
    • Treatment with antibiotics or other drugs has little effect
    • The outbreak may be seasonal, i.e. weather conditions may affect mold growth.
    • Regrettably, clinicians rarely ask these questions.
In the United States, aflatoxins have been identified in corn and corn products, peanuts and peanut products, cottonseed, milk, and tree nuts such as pistachios, brazil nuts, pecans, and walnuts. Other grains and nuts are susceptible but less prone to contamination. The above characteristics of a mycotoxicosis rarely, if ever, are addressed in a typical physician's office during a routine patient visit. For example, if an antibiotic does not work for a particular illness, rather than thinking of a fungal or mycotoxin etiology of the disease, a ‘stronger’ antibiotic is typically prescribed.
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https://blog.markstengler.com/fungus-...use-of-cancer/

This very interesting clinical trial by John Hopkins researchers found:antifungal medication Itraconazole, used to treat nail fungus, was shown to keep prostate cancer from worsening and delay the need for chemotherapy in a subsection of men with advanced disease.

THE STUDY:

The clinical trial; found 11 of 24 (48.4 percent) men taking high doses of Itraconazole had stable or declining PSA levels lasting at least 24 weeks. Almost a third of men taking the high dose had PSA reductions of 30 percent or more. Generally metastatic prostate cancer patients receiving no treatment typically would worsen in eight to 12 weeks.

Researchers also found that 12 of 14 men taking high doses of Itraconazole had lower levels of circulating tumor cells present in their blood after therapy, compared with their baseline levels.
Itraconazole, also known as Sporanox, appears to have some unique anticancer properties such as inhibiting tumor blood vessel growth and preventing cell tumor division.

While the drug Itraconazole may indeed have direct anticancer properties more research is required to confirm this.
Researchers are missing the big picture, and that is fungi is a major cause of disease, including cancer.

My experience shows that if researchers combined an antifungal medication along with a holistic antifungal approach (antifungal diet, mold free environment) they would get much better results
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https://www.cause-of-prostate-cancer....cer-story.html



Prostate Cancer a Real Story








Tom and His Prostate Cancer


In April 2008, Tom, age 45, was having trouble going to the bathroom because of an enlarged prostate. Tom decided to go to the doctor because his condition was not improving.


The Doctor evaluated Tom and did a PSA test (What is a PSA test? See Special Section). The PSA test came back unfavorable with a reading of 15 (�high�). The Doctor assumed Tom had a bacterial infection and treated him with an antibiotic. Prostate cancer rarely strikes men at the age of 45.

Tom complained to the Doctor that he wasn�t getting any better. The Doctor gave him another antibiotic. Tom�s prostate was not getting better with the new antibiotic so he went back to the Doctor. The Doctor sent him to a specialist.

The Specialist gave Tom a stronger antibiotic. The antibiotic wasn't helping Tom's condition, it was getting worse. The Specialist continued with antibiotic treatments. Tom�s health deteriorated rapidly. Tom discovered two lesions in his back where cancer had spread.

In August, The Specialist did another PSA test and recommended radiation treatment on his back. The second PSA test came back at 70. Cancer had spread and Tom was dieing.





What Went Wrong


Both Doctors in this story made a wrong conclusion that could have cost Tom�s life. They assumed that because Tom was only 45 that he couldn�t have prostate cancer.



Antibiotics are loaded with mycotoxins and fungal poisons. If you are infected with a fungus, the last thing you need is an antibiotic. The treatment using antibiotics was fueling the cancer.





What Should Have Tom's Doctor Done?


The correct treatment for Tom�s cancer would have been the use of anti-fungal drugs Diflucan (200mg) for seven days with Nystatin. Diflucan helps eliminate the yeast and mold in the blood system while Nystatin helps remove the fungus in your gut. The drug free approach is shown under "Natural" and "Anti-Cancer Diet." After one week of treatment another PSA test should have been done to see if the Cancer was fungal related. If the PSA went down, we know we're dealing with a fungus!






Doctors are Mistreating Prostate Cancer



Most cancers are fungal related. Your Doctor should assume you have a fungal disease and attack it accordingly. If Tom�s doctors used anti-fungal drugs with a diet of anti-fungal foods for 30 days, Tom�s cancer would have been gone. The cancer should respond to these treatments over 90% of the time.



Sorry, this won�t happen. Doctors only treat cancer with radiation, chemotherapy and surgery. Your Doctor does not know fungus is a cancer. He has not been taught to know the cause of your illness. So the legacy of mistreatment continues.





Conventional Treatments Cause Cancer!


Did you know that two of the three conventional treatment methods actually cause cancer. Chemotherapy and radiation actually cause cancer. So why would your Doctor use these treatments? Good question. Doctors are required to treat cancer with radiation, chemotherapy or surgery or they could lose their license.



So where does that leave you? Well if you don't like the Doctor's options, you can treat yourself. Not very comforting is it? We're going to take your fear away by educating you on the cause of prostate cancer.





So What Happened to Tom


Tom, obviously, was not happy with the treatment he was receiving. Tom researched and educated himself. He discovered that the cancer might be a fungal disease. Tom went on an anti-fungal diet and took anti-fungal supplements.


Within a couple of weeks Tom started feeling better and noticed his lesions were disappearing. Tom was on to something. He continued on his special diet. In November, Tom told his Doctor to do another PSA test. The new test registered 3, normal. The fungus (cancer) was gone.
If I had cancer, I would treat it as a fungus disease first and see if anti-fungal treatment responds to the cancer.
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and the above post much validates Verns cancer story where stage IV prostate cancer was cured with baking soda. https://phkillscancer.com/

Other men have cured both prostate inflammations and urinary retention and prostate cancer with MMS
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