Yes, I have read about that, too - taking testosterone for prostate Ca. When faced with the very real finality of a progressing cancer, is it brave, or foolish to do that! I don't know the answer.
How many men have reported success with that way of dealing with it? Have you heard of any at all? I haven't.
I believe it is an elegant theory, but is there any proof that it is effective? Can your natural practitioner point to facts, to numbers of men who successfully dealt with their prostate/bone cancer by taking testosterone.

What got me interested was Iggy Dalrymple's post dated 04-09-2007 -Prostate Cancer and the Testosterone Myth - Dr. Abraham Morgentaler in Brookline, MA.
He claims the mass of allopathic medicine doctors are wrong and that testosterone does not cause cancer to go wild and spread as they claim it does. My present urogolist belongs to the masses and has me taking Lupron shots instead. You also might check out Roger Mason who agrees with Dr. Morgentaler.
I am real worried about the long term problems taking the lupron and am looking for a doctor in the Dallas/Fort Worth area that works with men's hormone problems. Have not found one yet.
Buckshot

Buckshot,

You might consider maintaining your current protocol and putting the shot off for one month. Then get your psa tested again. If it remains the same or rises just a little hold off one more month. get tested again. If it continues to rise you might want to go for the shot again. If not, if it stays low, you might want to leave it in the dust.

Just an idea.

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Xania, you and I were talking about essential Oils on another thread.. thought you might be interested in trying this for your husband. sounds like something easy to try.. however, this is based on hearsay. but.. you could write them and see if they can give you more information on specifics.

the secrets of eden video on :
Secrets of Eden Organic Clove antioxidant Coconut Anti Oxy

go into the video about 2:30... he talks about people writing in that said that they rubbed this in the area of the prostate and their PSA went down.

like I said, hearsay, but easy to try, and see what happens. If you look on pubmed, there are a couple of positive studies of clove oil with cancer, but it was oral administration to mice. not topical. but.. still... I think , because of the ease of application, worth trying, imo.


and you can use it for pain relief.. although I wonder about this. Clove is an analgesic, but.. suppressing the pain might cloak a problem that needs to be addressed. but.. if you have pain and no solution... this might be something to try.

The chemical composition and biological activity of clove essential oil, Eugenia caryophyllata (Syzigium aromaticum L. Myrtaceae): a short review.

Hi folks.

It has been a while. Sorry for not posting. It has been difficult to sit at the computer (sore prostate area)--in addition to depression and lack of energy due to the Lupron I have been taking. I will not use it any more. I have come to believe that it is a primitive and ultimately dangerous way to deal with prostate cancer. More anon.

The main reason I am posting is to offer a suggestion: get your vitamin D level checked. Most of you are probably smarter than I and have already done that. I had it done for the first time on May 1 and got quite a surprise.

I have been well aware for quite some time about the benefits of adequate D levels and how it prevents many cancers including prostate cancer. I had always gotten plenty of sunlight and assumed that my levels were quite good. While searching endlessly, almost compulsively, for the reason I may have gotten this cancer, it never occurred to me that a deficiency of D could have been a cause.

Several months ago I consulted with Dr. Robert Rowen who puts out a newsletter--"Second Opinion." He said that he himself had gotten lots of sunlight and was surprised to find that his vitamin D level was still so low. He recommended that I take lots of vitamin D, which I did. For a number of weeks, I took 50,000 units daily and then backed down to 10,000 daily for about nine months--along with supporting vitamin A.

I finally decided to have my levels checked out of concern that I may be taking too much. The results were that my blood levels of vitamin D were indeed out of range--on the LOW side.

Apparenttly, despite all the sun exposure, my dietary intake of vitamin D over the years (without supplementation) was so low that it may have contributed to my cancer. There may, of course, be some genetic factors involved here, but I hope all of you get the chance to check your D levels.

Mike

Good to hear from you, Mike.

My wife gets a regular blood test, for vitamin D, but the rest of my family doesn't (to the best of my knowledge).

There's really no good reason not to get such a test. Even if your doctor won't order it (or if your insurance won't pay for it) ... it's still quite reasonably-priced. The Life Extension Foundation offers such a test for $25 (at this time).

https://www.lef.org/newshop/items/itemLC081950A.html

I hope you continue to regain your health.

Be well,

Harry

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Hello Mike,

I too get my vitamin D level checked and I have had a hard time getting the levels up.

My doctor insists that I use a fish oil product to do so. I had considered using the 50,000
mg pills as you did but look at what you got out of it! Not much.

I use a product from Country Life, It has A 10,000 and D 400 IU from a fish oil base. I take 4 of these a day. I would take more but I worry about too much vit. A. I will get retested in about 2 months.

I think next time I purchase I will go for the liquid Carlsons Fish oil. It has less A, I think.

Because it is so difficult to get your vitamin D levels up I wonder just where the truth is on all of this...My doctor will only check it once every 4 to 6 months cause it takes so long to get the levels up.

Many of us here have wondered about your well being. I am glad you are still fighting the good fight.

Meanwhile there has been quite a bit of new information coming up about cancer. Please look at the cancer thread closely.
And especially these two threads you might find of interest.

https://www.stopdoingcancer.com/
Check this guys live blood analysis out!

https://www.curenaturalicancro.com/

https://www.know-the-cause.com/

and I don't know if you have considered apricot kernals
https://credence.org/testimon.html

Mike, I haven't talked to you very much, as I wasn't posting here at the time you posted here in the past. However, I've read a lot of your posts and feel like I know you (- aren't forums great for this reason?).

I'm glad to see you posting here and hope you can continue to drop by once in a while.

thank you for the information on Vitamin D. I have been sitting out in the sun trying to make up for winter... I love the heat. but I guess I shouldn't assume that will do it for vitamin D.

Scoriotiger,

Jim sent me something very interesting yesterday about vitamin D tests. A doctor he communicates with said that some tests measure only vitamin D2 and D3 which apparently are the precursors of the active form: 25-hydroxy. The upshot is that unless you get the hydroxy form tested, you may get a false negative reading no matter how much D you are taking.

Harry suggested LEF as a way to test. It appears they test for the active form, which is good.

And speaking of Harry--thanks so much for your support. And thanks to all the rest of you for your kind works and encouragement.

Mike

I'm not sure if this will come out quite right, but I'm glad to see that you have managed to keep walking tall, and with your head high.

I can't, and wouldn't try to pretend I understand, what you have experienced, but you deserve to be mighty proud of yourself, for the way you have obviously been through so much, and are still finding a lot of inner strength, and the ability to share and promote your experiences and feelings.

I feel some in your case would not be so strong in the face of such a situation, but I hope that whatever happens, life continues to give you more and more positives each day, and you find the best outcome to your situation, as swiftly as is humanly possible.

Good luck and best wishes.

Xania,

How is your husband doing? Last I read he was having problems with his bones, and the PSA was creeping up again. As far as the bones go, has he been using Biosil and strontium citrate--in adddition to the calcium, magnesium and vitamin D? Vitamin K2 is also very important. And I just read that blueberries have been shown to halt bone loss.

He might consider using topical progesterone cream which has been shown to stimulate bone growth. Some docs may advise against it because progesterone can convert to testosterone, but this may be exactly what he needs. More testosterone will help the bones.

If the androgen deprivation is failing (rising PSA), some folks who stop the Lupron, Casodex, etc. get a "withdrawal response," meaning they start to get better. It is theorized by some that after a while the anti-androgen chemicals actually start to make the cancer grow. So stopping the treatment helps. My guess is that the newly gained testosterone would fight the cancer. The trick is not to let the testosterone convert to DHT or estradiol, so using DHT blockers and aromatasse inhibitors for the estrogen is crucial.

A few months ago I attended a talk by a prostate cancer specialist from a clinic in LA. They have documented success by treating men first with Lupron. Then when the PSA drops to very low levels (which has not happened in my case), they then stop the Lupron and treat the men with Avodart to effectively control DHT. They also give the men testosterone to imporove their overall health, knowing that testosterone per se will not stimulate cancer growth.

I have been in touch with this doctor and have urged her to test her patients for estrogen levels. Don't know that she listened to me. If DHT and estradiol can be controlled, I believe that Lupron would not even be necessary. I think that Lupron works intitially not by reducing testosterone but by incidentally reducing the cause of the cancer (estradiol) and its fuel (DHT).

In my case, Lupron has not worked so well. Yes, it brought down my testosterone and DHT to castrate levels, but my estradiol has remained high. Either my adrenals are cranking out lots of estradiol, or the androgen deprivation has created a "loop" in which the hormone receptors mutate and call for more estradiol. Not sure.

It seems to me that the best way to go is to use 5-alpha-reductase inhibitors (natural or not) to control the DHT and some natural aromatse inhibitors to control the estrogen. No more anti-androgens for me. If I am wrong, so be it. The side effects of the treatment are too difficult to bear. Though my bones are OK so far, I feel like a man of ninety. And the hot flashes, oh my. I now sympathize with women who go through these. I never imagined they could be so bad. Soon I will be looking forward the first good night's sleep in about a year.

Mike

Thanks, Boss

I may not be walking very tall these days, but at least I am not giving up--or giving in to the medical establishment. I think they are very wrong and hope to prove it.

Mike

Several years ago when I had my vitamin D levels tested because of my osteoporosis, my levels were quite low. For a year I supplemented with approx. 4,000 units a day. I also took 50,000 units once a week for the first two months and then one a month for the rest of the year. At the end of the year, my levels had not only not gone up, but they had actually dropped by three points. The following year I continued with 4,000 units daily plus a 50,000 unit capsule weekly. My levels went up 30 points.

One difference�the first year, the vitamin D I took was a RX. Prescription Vitamin D is D2 which is not well absorbed. The second year I used vitamin D3�BioTech brand from https://www.lifespannutrition.com/products.asp

Mari

Hullo, Mike. So good to see you posting here, again. Thanks for asking about husband. his osteoporosis is not so bad - symptom wise - is it was back then. He has not had stontium.
I bought some blueberry bushes and take care of them as best I can!

I wish it was easier to get Vit D blood levels checked in this country, as it appears to be in USA. I found one place that will do it for an awful lot of money - close to $300 I thik. I believe I have found "just cause" to request our GP to order the test. In the National Health service, GPs' work is audited and they have to be able to demonstrtate a clinical need (in accordance with NHS regulations!) for whatever tests or treatments they order.

D had three or four different anti-androgen drugs - as we have different brand names here I can't say if he had Lupron or not. Finally, his PSA kept doubling over about 9 moinths so Urologist discontinued the androgen blockade and D is taking dexamethasone now. His last hormonal drug was stilbestrol - he found that to be so very unpleasant that he refused to continue it after a month.

Still, he has no symptoms of bladder disfunction. His greatest problem is the result of osteoporosis - back pain, and difficulty breathing due to his spinal curve. His doc has prescribed the correct form of Vit D (I checked) so that's one thing right. I bought more because maybe 400 iu is not quite enough!

You mentioned Vit K - he doesn't have that yet, but I will get some.

So good to meet up with you again and we both wish you well. Stay in touch, as much as you can!

Xania,

If you do get vitamin K, make sure it is vitamin K2. This is the one which helps the bones (and heart). K1, of course, is primarily involved with blood clotting. My early ignorance of this fact cost me dearly. Last year I began taking vitamin K1, thinking it would help my bones. Unbeknownst to me, cancer patients are already quite susceptible to blood clots. So on a long plane flight during which I did not get up and move around much, I developed a deep vein thrombosis and had to be on coumadin for six months. What fun! I think the extra K1 contributed to this problem. Now I am on K2 solely.

Mike