Secession, 7 States Qualify

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\r\n \r\n Yeah, but I don\'t think it would happen... I mean... Could you imagine...
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\nIt would be sort of like Jericho.... Where there were 10 presidents... it would be so weird...
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\nAlthough, having 52 different governments/laws etc wouldn\'t be so weird I guess.. Europe does it... Some countries in Europe are smaller than a state... So...\r\n

jfh

\r\n \r\n Texas has written secession into its constitution, giving it a legal right to secede. This was done when the Republic of Texas nation, gave up its independence.
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\nI don\'t see how this can be done financially. The main reason that the Republic of Texas failed is due to nearly going bankrupt. Not much has changed. We still get billions of support from the Feds. We would not be able to support our boarder without help from the Feds. Would I have to pay import duties for all the online stuff I buy. After all, my favorite supplement vendors are out of state. I\'d have to get a new passport too. We\'d need a bigger boarder patrol to keep the Okies (Oklahoma) and the Louisianans out. I definitely don\'t want Rick Perry to be our president. Where is Jefferson Davis when we need him?\r\n

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Texas has written secession into its constitution, giving it a legal right to secede. This was done when the Republic of Texas nation, gave up its independence.
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\nI don\'t see how this can be done financially. The main reason that the Republic of Texas failed is due to nearly going bankrupt. Not much has changed. We still get billions of support from the Feds. We would not be able to support our boarder without help from the Feds. Would I have to pay import duties for all the online stuff I buy. After all, my favorite supplement vendors are out of state. I\'d have to get a new passport too. We\'d need a bigger boarder patrol to keep the Okies (Oklahoma) and the Louisianans out. I definitely don\'t want Rick Perry to be our president. Where is Jefferson Davis when we need him?

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Canada had sort of the same issue a while back.. Quebec wanted to separate, but the terms were they would keep the currency, share the army, keep the same benefits... LOL it was a farce....
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\nI don\'t think any states will secede, because as you mentioned can\'t really afford to.\r\n

Cookie

\r\n \r\n There\'s probably a few states that could afford to, but it\'s not gonna happen.
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\nAnyway, it\'s starting to get downright amusin\' already!

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\r\n \r\n City of Austin files counter-petition to secede from Texas\r\n \r\n

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\nhttps://now.msn.com/austin-files-peti...ede-from-texas\r\n

jfh

\r\n \r\n El Paso is trying to do the same thing as Austin. That would be a good thing actually

I\'ve driven through El Paso, was afraid to stop there.
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\nOver 107,000 signatures. Now these petitions only ask that the gov considers the succession. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...nment/BmdWCP8B\r\n

Mad Scientest

\r\n \r\n The whole idea of a state petitioning the government for the right to secede is a joke. Haven�t any of these clowns ever bothered to read the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence? Obviously not.
\n It is all spelled out there on how to do it and asking permission is not part of it.
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\n Just imagine if the original colonies had asked the king of England for the right to start a new country what his response would have been.

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\n These petitions at their very best it might get a few politicians to realize that there is a bit of discontent in the country. \r\n

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\r\n \r\n Like they care about a little bit of discontent... I bet they don\'t...
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\nAs long as they are in power, and things are somewhat stable, they couldn\'t give a rat fart about what little petitions people come up with :/\r\n

Mad Scientest

\r\n \r\n The petition movement for a state to secede from the union appears to be growing despite the efforts to discredit it. Apparently there are now petitions coming in from all states. This is something that is obviously starting to resonate with a large number of people. Now I think we can all agree that the government will in no way grant these requests, but that is irrelevant! However what is happening is like in the movie scene where the newscaster tells his audience �open you windows stick you head our and scream, We are mad as hell and we are not going to take this anymore�. This is what these petitions are telling our politicians however it is being done in a manner that is way more forceful and powerful than anything that has ever been done before. Even the most callous or brain dead politician has got to realize that they got a real problem here and they are going to have to deal with it.
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\n So the more people that sign these petitions the louder the scream and the harder it will be for the politicians to ignore it.
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\n I was listening to an internet radio show yesterday and they went into this issue in detail. It is a three hour show, yeah it is long, but the first two hours are the meat of it and you can fast forward through the first 9 minutes. But once you get into it a bit and the guest starts talking I don�t think you will turn it off.
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\n https://www.blogtalkradio.com/univers...update-' + '-sunday
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\n click on Download this episode\r\n

jfh

\r\n \r\n It is our right to call for a Constitutional Convention. We could rewrite our constitution. I hope it doesn\'t get that far.
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\nI suspect this is a knee jerk reaction of poor losers, such as the Tea Party.\r\n

D Bergy

\r\n \r\n Texas is a pretty self sufficient state. It has agriculture, oil, its own power grid that can operate independently.
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\nI guess I do not understand how the state could not afford to be independant. Lets just say they could pull this off. Now free from federal taxes, they could raise the state tax to something comparable. I got to believe that would be far more than they would need to operate, given how much is now pissed away at the Federal level.
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\nThey would no longer be under the burdon of the National Debt. Actually that could be a big sticking point. Would they have to pay off their share of the national debt?
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\nRon Paul would have been a good president of Texas, but he will be too old or dead before this ever happens. Maybe Rand?
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Arrowwind09

\r\n \r\n Here is the status of the petitions. Only Texas has accumulated enough signatures, likely because it has a huge population base. The government must review Texas\' petition for they have fulfilled the requirement.
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\nhttps://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/...states-to-sece\r\n

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Here is the status of the petitions. Only Texas has accumulated enough signatures, likely because it has a huge population base. The government must review Texas\' petition for they have fulfilled the requirement.
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\nhttps://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/...states-to-sece

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\nYes, but I doubt they will seriously consider the petition. Because despite the number of signatures, it doesn\'t represent the majority of the state.
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\nThey would need to put it to a vote, and I don\'t think things have gotten quite bad enough yet that the majority of people will consider seceding.
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\nAlthough, things can change pretty rapidly.
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\nI\'m amazed that there\'s one of these petitions in every single state now, even where he won by a landslide.. Makes you wonder for sure...\r\n

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Here is the status of the petitions. Only Texas has accumulated enough signatures, likely because it has a huge population base. The government must review Texas\' petition for they have fulfilled the requirement.
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\nhttps://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/...states-to-sece

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But it appears that many of the signatures for the Texas petition are not citizens of Texas. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...nment/BmdWCP8B\r\n

Arrowwind09

\r\n \r\n Do you have a link that shows every state?\r\n

Arrowwind09

\r\n \r\n on that link you provided jfh there are 116,000 signatures, approximately. Perhaps 25,000 are from Texas\r\n

jfh

\r\n \r\n According to the title of the petition, it is specific to Texas. Click on the "open petitions" menu, and then click "Popular", to see all petitions, including ones for other states.\r\n

Mad Scientest

\r\n \r\n Here is a link to how the petition count is doing in each state.
\nhttps://rtr.org/pages/Tracking-Secession
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\nWhen this country seceded from England there was only a very small percentage of the population that was actively working toward that goal. While many were willing to go along with the idea they were not actively involved and a large number people were totally uninterested one way or the other. Pretty much what we have right now.\r\n

Arrowwind09

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Mad Scientest

\r\n \r\n I suspect that by now everyone here is aware of the petitions to secede have been flooding the White House site; they now are coming from all states, many of which have pasted the required 25,000 count mark. This is all well and good and it might ever start to raise some eyebrows but still it is sort of like asking your banker to forgive the mortgage on your home because you�re tired of paying it. These petitions don�t have any real teeth to them.
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\nSo maybe it is time to ratchet it up a notch with this petition. It would seem that not that long ago international paperwork was filed re-declaring our original constitution and stating that we will no longer be bound by the corporate version that the banksters and lawyers concocted for us.
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\nTo start with go to this site for a brief overview: (bottom of page)
\nhttps://americannationalmilitia.com/s...n-for-freedom/
\nHere you can read our �new� constitution or if you are a recent graduate of our school system you can heard it read for you.
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\nThen like the original founders you will be asked to sign this new constitution!
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\nYou are then direct to go to two different sites where you�re required to log in, wait for a conformation email, then go back to the sites and sign. You might have to cut & paste the confirmation information back to the sites, just clicking on it didn�t work for me. You will actually have to work a bit to declare your freedom.

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I suspect that by now everyone here is aware of the petitions to secede have been flooding the White House site; they now are coming from all states, many of which have pasted the required 25,000 count mark. This is all well and good and it might ever start to raise some eyebrows but still it is sort of like asking your banker to forgive the mortgage on your home because you�re tired of paying it. These petitions don�t have any real teeth to them.
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\nSo maybe it is time to ratchet it up a notch with this petition. It would seem that not that long ago international paperwork was filed re-declaring our original constitution and stating that we will no longer be bound by the corporate version that the banksters and lawyers concocted for us.
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\nTo start with go to this site for a brief overview: (bottom of page)
\nhttps://americannationalmilitia.com/s...n-for-freedom/
\nHere you can read our �new� constitution or if you are a recent graduate of our school system you can heard it read for you.
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\nThen like the original founders you will be asked to sign this new constitution!
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\nYou are then direct to go to two different sites where you�re required to log in, wait for a conformation email, then go back to the sites and sign. You might have to cut & paste the confirmation information back to the sites, just clicking on it didn�t work for me. You will actually have to work a bit to declare your freedom.

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Interesting site... I would be very careful though. I would think the CIA, FBI, Homeland Security are all watching and actively trying to hack the information collected there and you might find yourself in a holding cell for suspected domestic terrorism....

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Mad Scientest

\r\n \r\n I�m sure they are and that could be a concern if we had anything that even approached what might be called real privacy. However the above agencies already have access to more information and know more about you then you know about yourself.
\nThus this is a good way to tell them enough is enough and we no longer accept your authority. It is time to stop worrying about what they might do and let them know what we can do! There is way more of us then there is of them, and they know it and this it something that really scares them.\r\n

greif

\r\n \r\n When do they start to leave, I\'ll go help saw Texas away from the us and let them float away\r\n

Cookie · � #1 � 11-15-2012, 04:55 AM

If anything, this should be interesting to watch.

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The petitions for secession from the U.S. filed by Texas, Louisiana, and five other states have collected more than 25,000 signatures each, which the White House website says is enough for review and response.

https://news.msn.com/politics/seven-s...-white-house-3

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