hemp or pea

jbo

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I make a protein shake every morning that includes:
berries
banana
psyllium husk
organic cocoa powder
chia seeds
Greek yogurt
pure whey protein on powder

sounds like a lot but its all small portions. The protein powder I'm using nothing is added, its just whey protein, but I'm starting to get nervous about long term use of whey protein.

I honestly feel I need some protein in the morning or I'll end up being extremely hungry by lunch and over eat. I'm kind of pushing away soy due to possibility of estrogen levels and gmo. not that interested in rice protein since I eat black rice often and rice bran oil I'm starting to use more that I can use some variety.

so the two I'm leaning towards is hemp or pea. I'm leaning towards hemp as it seems have more fiber, a lot of minerals like magnesium and less processed. The only thing I've read is hemp has less protein than pea but reviews say its more digestible than whey. I'm not sure if pea protein has any advantages over hemp except it has a lot more protein, which is the hole point of the powder.

any feedback or recommendations
 

mommysunshine

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It sounds delish. Do you feel satisfied eating it?

If you wanted to omit the whey you could add a couple hard boiled eggs or put them in your smoothie if you're fine with raw eggs.

If you add either hemp or pea it'll be synergistic with the yogurt. Dairy and legumes have a balanced amino acid profile. The hemp is a seed and may have the same amino acids as the chia so it may be unnecessary. My favorite site to look at amino acid balance is here: http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/custom/629104/2

It's odd that it didn't have a readout for the amino acid profile. Hmmm. I don't use hemp because it is very high in omega 6 but many people love it so hopefully they'll chime in.

Have you tried flax seeds?
 

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I put flaxseed meal in mine and a heaped teaspoon Lecithin.
 

jfh

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I really like hemp for the fiber and omega3. I really like pea for the fiber, but I don't use both so I choose hemp. I agree with ozzie for the lecithin. It is a fat emulsifier, so it works well with eliminating cholesterol. The liver makes it for that purpose, emulsifying fat.

There is no need to add psyllium, with that other fiber. It will just make the transit time too fast through your system. I always take psyllium by itself, away from food.
 

jbo

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It sounds delish. Do you feel satisfied eating it?

If you wanted to omit the whey you could add a couple hard boiled eggs or put them in your smoothie if you're fine with raw eggs.

If you add either hemp or pea it'll be synergistic with the yogurt. Dairy and legumes have a balanced amino acid profile. The hemp is a seed and may have the same amino acids as the chia so it may be unnecessary. My favorite site to look at amino acid balance is here: http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/custom/629104/2

It's odd that it didn't have a readout for the amino acid profile. Hmmm. I don't use hemp because it is very high in omega 6 but many people love it so hopefully they'll chime in.

Have you tried flax seeds?
Years ago I used to put raw eggs in my shakes, which I would exam the eggs for cracks and things of that nature. But I'm not sure I want to go through that anymore. Do you think hard boiled eggs would taste good in a shake?

I used to get natural vanilla flavored whey, which it used to taste really good. But there were so many things on the ingredients that I decided to switch to an unflavored just whey protein. Now to be honest it's not as sweet tasting, but I actually enjoy it. The half banana is the only thing that really sweeten it up and I go back and forth between blackberries and blueberries that I pick myself during season or frozen from the store.

I thought hemp seeds were high in omega 3's not 6's? Online it says hemp seeds have higher omega 3's than walnuts. But I'm talking about the hemp powder, so I'm not sure if it's created from the seeds or the flower itself.

I used to use flax seed oil and the flax seeds in my shake, but switched to chia seeds, mostly because of posts I saw here and other things I read online about flax seeds and estrogen levels. Being a male it seemed that chia seeds were better for me.
 

jbo

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Actually, I'm not sure why I don't eat hemp. I think the omega profile is 3:1 which isn't high in omega 6. It's pricey isn't it?
I saw 3 pound powder for 20 bucks on amazon. Seems about the same price as pea powder, but whey being more well know you can find bulk cheaper.
 

jbo

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I really like hemp for the fiber and omega3. I really like pea for the fiber, but I don't use both so I choose hemp. I agree with ozzie for the lecithin. It is a fat emulsifier, so it works well with eliminating cholesterol. The liver makes it for that purpose, emulsifying fat.

There is no need to add psyllium, with that other fiber. It will just make the transit time too fast through your system. I always take psyllium by itself, away from food.
Thanks for the info. I got a question though, not to sound gross, but knowing that psyllium husk is the active ingredient in Metamucil, my sole and people I know who take psyllium husk have perfect stole. I've read that people think you lose weight with psyllium husk, since it collects a lot of things as well, mostly liquid through your digestive system. I've been really happy with psyllium husk and even if I have a high fiber diet I don't think my stole is as good with just high fiber compared to psyllium husk.

What do you mean about transit time? I guess I'm asking about the effects, does this mean less things will be absorbed or do you mean things will go through my system faster in that I'll be hungrier faster?

I'm really not familiar with lecithin, so looking it up it seems there were a lot of claims for weight loss that were inconclusive and memory benefits were also inconclusive. Does seem to benefit cholesterol, but if I don't have a cholesterol issue should I still take it in my shake every morning?
 

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Yes. Fast transit time means that food moves through the digestive system faster than normal, and psyllium and other fiber bind to nutrients as well as non-nutrients. That's a good thing for good bowel movement. For me especially. I take psyllium husks in the form of metamucil every day (only one tablespoon), but I take it about an hour or two away from food. I also take Nopal Cactus. I try to have a high fiber diet, because of lifelong chronic constipation. It seems to work most of the time. I'm underweight, so I don't have an understanding of what psyllium might do for weight loss. Haven't studied it for that. There are so many benefits of fiber, both soluble and insoluble. One major benefit is that your friendly bacteria convert the silica within fiber into glucose for their fuel. Silica is a hugely common element in your body.

There are more benefits to lecithin than I have time to name. It allows the cells to be flexible. It insulates the nerves, brain tissue, and bile. Lecithin lowers cholesterol, prevents gallstones, and increases the absorption of dietary fats and fat soluble vitamins. Lecithin is also a rich source of choline, which is essential for the formation of the neurotransmitter acetylcholine. It helps to rebuild the liver and prevent fat deposits in the liver. That's very important. The liver creates lecithin, but it could use some help a lot. Important for regeneration of myelin (important for MS and diabetic neuropathy), and improves prostate secretions, maintains cell membrane flexibility and controls movement of nutrients across the membranes. In some women, adding lecithin can either benefit hormones or aggravate them, so beware of that - meaning that it can cause acne. You might think it is a detox reaction, but it is really a hormone activator. It is extremely important for our survival and even our existence. Nuff said? Just remember, as I said, the liver produces it, but the liver is a very busy organ and can most likely use some help. I take a heaping teaspoon of lecithin granules (the best form) every day in my smoothie.
 

jbo

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I'm actually surprised to hear psyllium can affect absorption of things. I started using psyllium husk in my protein shakes in the morning after a friend told me how much he loved it, and since I've seen Dr. Oz with almost all of his shakes and I know swanson vitamins even has a recipe with psylllium husk
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/health-library/recipes/beverages/breakfast-smoothie

I never liked metamucil, because it has a bunch of other stuff to add flavor and I've never had a bowel issue, just seems psyllium husk makes my text book perfect.

I've been taking the shake every morning with the ingredients listed in my first post with my vitamins in the morning. I saw this article about the absorption issue and the recommendation to take psyllium husk 1 hour before anything or 2 hours after.

Not sure I'm even going to take psyllium husk again. I'll probably continue using it until the bottle is empty and switch just to hemp powder, which will save me money and it will be healthier. My stole won't be picture perfect anymore :(

http://www.livestrong.com/article/118209-side-effects-psyllium-seeds/
 

jfh

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I use psyllium husks because I really think they help me, but for my smoothie I do use the hemp and also diatomaceous Earth. I consider DE to be more important than any of the fibers. http://www.earthworkshealth.com/How-Diatomaceous-Earth-Works.php

And very inexpensive. 1 lb for $6.20 and that goes a very long way, as I use 1 level teaspoon per smoothie. http://www.morethanalive.com/DEP Be sure that it is food grade. It is a fine powder. The only problem would be breathing it. It is used in many applications.

http://wolfcreekranch1.tripod.com/diatomaceous_human_use.html
 

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hemp powder is certainly not made from the flowers. one would definitely feel a little bit, different... :turnaround: if you know what i mean haha.

hemp protein powder is made from the seeds, which have a VERY good ratio of fat to protein. this is crucial for proper protein digestion. pea has 0 grams of fat per serving so in this regard, i personally would not use it. if one is using hemp, then there would be little need to add any extra omegas, as this would be overkill, for the most part. maybe a small amount from other sources, simply to adjust the ratio of 3,6, and 9, but it is pretty well balanced without adding anything.

the amount of protein does not necessarily have to be high in order to be filling, in fact, fat content as well as fiber content play just as important a role in being filling. if lacking in any category, then it will not be as filling. always use whole fruits over juices as well, as the fiber from the fruit will help the sugars break down more gradually instead of spiking the bloodstream.
 

jbo

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I have about 20 pounds of food grade Diatomaceous Earth at my house. Using it for my dogs at times and a natural defease for insects. I'm not sure I'm intrested in consuming it myself, but it's because I took phillium husk for the fiber to fill full. I don't take fiber for any other issue.
 

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interesting, however it seems a bit extreme to me. i dont think there's any need to take fiber supplements outside of what's in whole grains, fruits, and vegetables. if one consumes balanced meals, then there is no need to supplement anything. not protein, not fat, not fiber, not nutrients. it's all there in a good meal.
 

jbo

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interesting, however it seems a bit extreme to me. i dont think there's any need to take fiber supplements outside of what's in whole grains, fruits, and vegetables. if one consumes balanced meals, then there is no need to supplement anything. not protein, not fat, not fiber, not nutrients. it's all there in a good meal.
At least myself the only way I know to keep full is protein and or fiber. I really like having shakes for breakfast as it helps me get somethings I like taking everyday like chia seeds, berries, bananas and things I normally wouldn't take without a shake.
I know some people who just get like a banana for breakfast or skip breakfast. Personally I like eating a big breakfast and I've enjoyed the shakes. Without protein powder I'd feel hungry really quick and end up over eating for lunch. I've never looked for a fiber supplement, not sure what that really is?
If you look at my first post, you'll see what I've been taking.

I'm going to change out the whey protein for hemp protein. I'm thinking about adding a little bit of almond milk and the greek yogurt is the only thing that comes from a cow that I consume
 


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