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Old 07-14-2009, 07:17 AM
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I sent you a pm about mms.

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Old 07-14-2009, 07:23 AM
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Mandrake, I just cut and pasted this off of Jim Humbles site. Please excuse him. His spelling and grammar are not great. I have communicated with him numerous times and always there were errors. None the less, it does not impact on the truth of what he is trying to tell the world.

6. A case of Muscular Sclerosis.

This email was received last year. This same lady, Marline, has reported being much more recovered since this report was sent as she has been on the MMS for over 6 months now. She told me that she considers herself well at this time. She writes the following:

"I have Multiple Sclerosis and believe the cause to be many pathogens. I have been lab tested and found to have Lyme's, Chlamydia Pneumonia, Epstein Barr, Myco plasma, Candida yeast, Blackberry mold plus many others.

I also have been chelated for heavy metals Mercury, lead, arsenic, cadmium and etc. I have responded to many treatments and have made progress to health. I have taken the MMS formula for over a month. I started out slowly because of the extent of my illness. I gradually increased my doses from 1 drop 1 times a day to now taking 5 drops 5 times a day.

I stayed at the lower doses for safety and to allow any plaques to dissipate and heal the tissues under the destroyed growth. I had a little nausea, passed foamy bowel waters (which I think was dead yeast). I am noticing many improvements including less edema in hands, feet, legs, arms, face, stomach and my lymph glands under arms are losing their swelling. My breathing is more productive. I am not having pains from being out of breath.

The age spots on the back of my hands are fading. My cuticles are losing the hardened ridge around the nails. My nails are losing the longitudinal and horizontal ridges and lumps. My skin and nails are glossy rather than dull.

I spoke to Jim and he recommended I could remain at current dose for two weeks then go on maintenance of 6 drops a day. I think I will try this but depending on continual recovery I may stay at the 5 drops X 5 times a day as long as I notice improvements. I believe MS to be a difficult disease and it may take longer to address with this treatment. Also I have lost 8 lbs and 6 inches from my waist and I am not dieting.

I am a monitor on the Goodshape Histamine, LDN and alternative message board. This is an active and supportive message board. Many with MS but we address all immune disorders, Lupus, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, Parkinson's, and ALS. I hope you will all visit us at. https://disc.server.com/Indices/148285.html#52711
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I just found an interesting website from a guy that has posted some videos he took of the Bb in his system. He uses simple dark field microscopy...actually he uses a regular microscope and shows how to make adjustments to turn it into a dark field microscope. On the top left of his web page there are links to 3 videos of the Bb swimming around in his blood.
https://www.lyme-diagnosis.org.uk/

They also may be visible in urine samples. A friend and I have been experimenting with this option. We will be looking at samples from people with MS and with dxd lyme as well as controls. I will post our results in regard to this once we have some data.
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So tnkrbell,

In regards to treating lyme, are you familiar with anyone using MMS for it?


Yes, I saw that site yesterday! I love dark field. It fully exposes the lies in the American Medical system and thats why they are illegal in the US! You cannot go anywhere to get a legal dark field study done, although there are docs that do it anyway.
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Really is dark field illegal in the US? Why?

We have practitioners here who use it, I have studied some basics, and I'm considering buying my own and getting more in depth training, cost is the only thing holding me back at the moment as I do not want to go into debt for a microscope.

When I used it as a basic tool in a health shop I worked in a few years ago, I got amazing results from recommending nutraceuticals based on what I saw through the microscope.

It is an amazing tool.
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It is not an FDA approved device so no licensed person can use it and it would therefor be illegal to make recommendations from its use. I think some practitioners can legally get past it with contracts with clients or joining clubs, etc. If you have certification to do lab work you could loose it.
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Wow ok, that is quite interesting. I know there is a lot of research being conducted in Switzerland I think for the use of dark field microscopy as a diagnostic tool. A lot of our practitioners here have been there to study their courses and then come back here to use it as a tool.

Strange that they won't pass the darkfiled microscope, yet the FDA will approve a device like the EIS.
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We, the USA, are at the era where we are willing to travel abroad for surgical and other health procedures. Not only is it much cheaper; but other countries are more liberal in allowing a wide variety of health protocols. It will even take some time for America to catch up with the rest of the world in stem cell research. Bioengineering is very popular in universities now. That means that there should be a large number of young scientists to move things forward quickly.

We have a more liberal President. That will help this evolution in the USA health industry.
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I am not familiar with EIS. But I can tell you that dark field microscopy would create a scary paradigm shift for the AMA who have so much invested in lies about the cause of cancer and autoimmune disorders, not to mention diet beliefs, and a multitude of drug therapies. It has the potential to change absolutely everything and change is not what the AMA is about, its all about the money. If you can do it I think there is not much better you can do for you patients in diagnostics and in monitoring improvement on a cellular level.

I just took a brief look at EIS at Altered States. Interesting. Somewhat similar to the phazyx system that is no longer available. I think the phazyx is more "hocuc pocus" looking but essentially the same in function and could tell you more than this machine but perhaps not in the same kind of detail and of course the phazyx was not FDA approved.
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Hi Tnkrbell

Thank you for your information, you certainly have given others something to consider. I am not entirely convinced of this connection between MS and Lyme disease; let me explain why.

Lyme disease does not occur in certain countries, include my own, South Africa. Yet these countries still have cases of MS. The theory does not explain this phenomenon.

However, interestingly there are epidemiology studies that show that MS occurs at certain altitudes and latitudes, which has not been explain yet, so this could be in accordance with a bacterial theory. I definately think that this is a controversial topic which needs to be explored further.

I would love other peoples thoughts on the matter.
Hi Mandrake, Sorry but you are very wrong about Lyme not being in South Africa. I have had it for at least 16 years if not 25+. I even told my GP in 1996 I was 100% sure I had Lyme disease and he sai IMPOSSIBLE you only get it in the USA... Rubbish !!!

I was incorrectly diagnosed with MS in 2000. I have seen 20+ specialists in all these years and the only person to get it right was a Lyme doctor in Johannesburg in February 201. I have Chronic Lyme Disease, Rickettsia, Q Fever and the co-infections. I had intensive blood tests which confirmed my infections and I got them living in country south of Johannesburg. Please know that Lyme disease is know as the great imitator and many many people are mis-diagnosed when it is actually Lyme Disease being the root problem. Believe, Lyme is alive and KICKING in SA. I would really like to get in touch with you in this regard. I have a blog full of info re Lyme. It is a killer, has attacked my brain and it has stolen my life !
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Sorry Jacosta,

Mandrake was banned from the forum. I'm sure he would have loved to hear what you have to say. Lyme is curable. I will tell you how before the day is over.
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Thanks for letting me know about Mandrake. What a pity. I am trying to contact South Africans with MS like diagnoses and who possibly have Lyme. Doctors here are ignorant about the disease and one LLMD is not enough in this country. Look forward to hearing anything further re a cure. Thank You
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