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Why do people become vegetarian? There are 4 primary reasons

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Why do people become vegetarian? There are 4 primary reasons

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In the US, there are 5 reasons

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I don't know any Vegans or Vegetarians personally but the ones on Care2 seem to do it because of the
killing of animals reason. They substitute lots of soy - Yuck!

I doubt I'd ever give up meat completely. Like today, I'm making a huge pot of Chile w/1 lb each of organic beef & pork.
Another is navy bean soup w/ham bones & ham.
Even Jesus supposedly fed the masses w/Fish which says to me it's okay to eat animals for food.
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Even Jesus supposedly fed the masses w/Fish which says to me it's okay to eat animals for food.
Cute and very true.

The French people seem to be quite healthy. They believe that the least processing of food, including meat, is the healthiest. I even went to a MacDonalds in Paris for a burger. It was quite pink. You have to ask for well done in order to get medium.
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I agree, there is nothing wrong with eating meat if you can find organic or grass fed. As for soy, I agree: YECCH!
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For the most part, the reasons seem quite weak. That said, some people do better with more plant based foods than others.

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Protein is a myth. The average american who eats meat gets 10 times what they need. Even US vegetarians get more than enough.
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Vegetarians and Heart Disease: Will Ditching Meat Really Save Your Arteries
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A lot of heart disease in india and many vegetarians. I do not buy ditching meat either. More like increasing omega 3 intake as well as fiber and magnesium and vit e.
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One of my favorite winter meals is Beef Stew. Can you imagine Soy Stew?

Even if only using a smaller amount of beef it's the flavor that counts.
Lots of carrots, celery, onions, garlic, potatoes & a can of peas.
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One of my favorite winter meals is Beef Stew. Can you imagine Soy Stew?

Even if only using a smaller amount of beef it's the flavor that counts.
Lots of carrots, celery, onions, garlic, potatoes & a can of peas.

Try gyro meat!
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Try gyro meat!
I love lamb. I do mind that those poor little sweet things gave up their lives for me, but I love it.
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I love lamb. I do mind that those poor little sweet things gave up their lives for me, but I love it.
Lamb kicks ass! I get the cheaper cuts, place them in a casserole dish with pureed tomato, celery, onion and garlic plus some lemon juice and olive oil and cook at 220 F for 4-5 hrs. Remove the meat and use the juices to cook orzo or rice.

JFH 9 yrs ago in minneapolis I went to this veggie restaurant called the mudpie. Had potatoes covered with soy cheese. After one bite I wanted to puke!
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I've been eating a plant based diet for over 19 years. No animals were murdered in the writing of this post

I agree that eating unprocessed, organically or wild harvested dead animal flesh has played an integral role in human history. I also agree that being a vegetarian is no free pass to health. There isn't any meat in a lollipop but you can't live on them. At least, you should probably not try to. It doesn't sound like a good idea.

In the over 13 years I've been working in the natural foods industry, mainly as a supplements guy, I've heard a lot of bullshit about both meat-eating and vegetarianism (my favorite is the woman who insisted she was allergic to water. That was awesome.)

The only consistency I have noted is that eating unprocessed food is probably a good idea. Whole, fresh, ripe, raw and organic fruits and vegetables are probably healthy. Dead flesh (while I think it's gross) has been eaten for far too long (unprocessed) for it to be bad for human health, at least when eaten in moderation (around 2-4 ounces a day).

It isn't necessary or beneficial for everybody to make blanket statements about what an ideal diet looks like. Food science is primitive, at best. My justification for saying so is the prevalence of disease in most industrialized societies. Processing food sucks. Plain & simple.

Eat what you're going to eat. If you want to be healthy, it is probably a good idea to eat locally, seasonally, and as unprocessed as possible. Other than that, your guess is as good as mine.

In the words of Michael Pollan, "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants."

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In the words of Michael Pollan, "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants."
My only caveat would be the "not too much" phrase puts the onus on appetite regulation on individual and therefore it follows that those who overeat are of bad character or lack self-control.
Naturally animals in the wild eat what food is available and natural to them and remain sufficiently mentally and physically fit to escape from danger or catch prey as is natural to the species.
We should regard "overeating" as a symptom of a dysfunctional metabolism because NATURALLY we have systems that adjust our appetite and our activity levels to maintain metabolic homoeostasis. Fat storage leads to overeating which leads to lethargy. We should therefore be focussing on eating NATURAL foods, in as close to a NATURAL form (least processed) that do not lead to fat storage and that means avoiding those refined carbohydrates, caloric sweeteners and pro inflammatory industrially made seed oils such as corn, soybean, safflower, sunflower and cottonseed oil.
Understanding how chronic inflammation causes the damage that leads to a dysfunctional metabolism enables you to take effective action to correct it.
Brown adipose tissue controls the temperature our body runs at and the amount of calories our body disposes of while we sleep and our activity levels through the day. BAT is driven by mitochondria so everything we can to improve mitochondrial function will help restore mitochondrial function. Exercise, intermittent fasting and the ability to burn ketones all improve mitochondrial biogenesis. Thus leaving 5hrs between meals and sometimes skipping a meal, (Intermittent fasting) and changing to Coconut oil or using other sources of Medium Chain Triglycerides will help.
The point is that if you are overeating you have a problem and the answer is not to try to control this consciously (Health professionals have been saying eat less exercise more for long enough for intelligent people to understand this message is NOT WORKING) but to understand what is driving the need to overeat and what underlies the lowered activity level.

Addressing the cause of the problem rather than the symptom is the way forward.
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