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Old 08-18-2010, 09:48 PM
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This is my honest belief as to why people are obese, have heart disease, diabetes etc etc...you know, all those diseases you hear about 20 times a day! We are constantly told that a "poor diet" is the cause of these things. Then why do so many people who "eat right" have these problems?? Why do so many people eat their veggies and exercise all the time have weight problems? Do you ever feel like following a diet makes you go crazy?

It's really pretty obvious when you look at it like this:

You have two cheeseburgers. Each one has the same amount of fat. #1 is completely natural. No preservatives or anything. #2 is your run of the mill cheeseburger. #1 will give you 100% of the nutrition you need from a cheeseburger. #2 will give you 50 % of the nutrition you need because half of it is filled with crap.

Say you eat #1. You are satisfied because you got your fill of nutrients.
You eat #2 and you only get half of what you need. So you crave another one, even though you are full. You eat it.

It is not because of lack of willpower that you ate another #2, it is because your body craved the nutrition it needed. But since the two burgers had equal amounts of fat, you're eating 2 #2's caused you to consume twice as much fat!

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I don't believe in any way that obesity is due to willpower or laziness. There is no way you can make fun of a fat person and say it is their fault! The fact is, most people are malnurished! We have too much of certain nutrients and not enough of others. It is all because of the chemicals they put in our food!

How do you explain skinny people? Well, they have a higher metabolism and their bodies are able to get rid of the fat more easily. Either that or they don't crave as much because they can somehow absorb the nutrients better.

Forcing people to exercise and eat veggies all the time is not the cure. The reason we crave something is because we need it, not because our tastebuds have gone haywire. But we keep craving it because we keep getting starved from what we are needing. Meanwhile, we tend to these cravings and eat more crap, which causes us to crave even more. If we took the chemicals out of food, we would greatly reduce obesity.

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I think your theory is full of #2.

First, there is no nutrition in a cheeseburger. There is only fructose, animal fat, animal protein, and dairy... all of which cause disease.

People become fat because they eat things that make them fat, such as antibiotics, growth hormones, insulin, (all from animals) and mycotoxin-contaminated grains.

Instead of getting to the root of the problem, and correcting it, the medical system is content on treating symptoms with drugs and performing stomach bypass operations.

Not to worry though as obesity won't be a problem in the near future, since there will be some nasty antibiotic-resistant superbugs that will "control" the population, thus, controlling the problem.
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Old 08-18-2010, 11:23 PM
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Would you be surprised to learn that your theory is correct. Of course it is your opinion. But what if your opinion was backed by an MD that Dr Oz introduces. And what if the MD has a book that hundreds of MDs follow. This youtube video is 90 seconds long and explains that people eat too much since they are starving for nutrients. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkt_X-dUvEE
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I think your theory is full of #2.

First, there is no nutrition in a cheeseburger. There is only fructose, animal fat, animal protein, and dairy... all of which cause disease.

People become fat because they eat things that make them fat, such as antibiotics, growth hormones, insulin, (all from animals) and mycotoxin-contaminated grains.

Instead of getting to the root of the problem, and correcting it, the medical system is content on treating symptoms with drugs and performing stomach bypass operations.

Not to worry though as obesity won't be a problem in the near future, since there will be some nasty antibiotic-resistant superbugs that will "control" the population, thus, controlling the problem.
Nothing to do with what you said, but I need to clear up that I meant to use the word "theory" loosely and by no means am I claiming it as anything more than an opinion.

Ok, now to you pinball...I want to thank you for your delightful insult and for calling this a bunch of #2 instead of simply disagreeing with me. I love it!

1. I was using a cheeseburger as an example. It was the first thing that came to my mind and I did not intend the example to be taken literally.

2. If you would like, I could take animal protein and dairy out of your diet and watch you slowly deteriorate. But I don't think I would do that since I'm not a mean person...

I take it you are a vegetarian and you believe in getting protein from other sources besides animals, so before you can call my #2 on this post "a bunch of #2", realize that I just said it for you so you won't need to repost it.
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I think there is an element of truth in the idea that it is nutrient deficiency that may be driving the need to eat more.
The question is what are the most likely suspects.

I'd vote for vitamin D, omega 3 and magnesium, (there are others that may also be implicated but there are sound reasons to explain why there are global deficiencies of each of the above )

The common denominator is that each of the above are anti inflammatory agents and you could argue that as obesity is an inflammatory condition it thrives in body that is low in natural anti inflammatory reserves.

Low level Atmospheric Ozone pollution from traffic, planes industrial seed oil processing plants and industry generally is causing an increase in ozone and although this has been studied in relation to soya crop yields it'snot been studied at the root cause of the year on year decline in global average 25(OH)D levels particularly for those living in urban environments. We know ozone blocks UVB and reduces Vitamin D production, combined with the increase in sunscreen usage and sun avoidance this is a recipe for the decline in vitamin D status.

From the mid 1960's plant breeders concentrated on producing faster maturing shorter growing seed varieties and from that point magnesium content in grains declined. We are also seeing a greater role for veggies grown under glass and in soil-less mediums and so the resulting crops do not necessarily contain the same micro-nutrient status (omega 3, magnesium etc) traditional outdoor, sun exposed, soil based varieties contain.

It may not be the pesticides and fertilizer residues that are the root of the problem but the lack of any natural anti inflammatory agents in the foods and the bodies of those consuming them, to counter the effects of those residues.

The driving force behind inflammation is almost certainly increased omega 6 industrial seed oil consumption combined with sugar/sweetener use.


We consume far too much soy bean oil. So it's not the cheeseburger that's the problem it's the french fries, mayonnaise, potato chips that are full of soy oil or equivalent omega 6 source although it's also becoming difficult in the UK to find any commercial foods that don't contain fructose content listed under various names. We need to address the pro inflammatory and acidifying nature of modern diets and improve the natural anti inflammatory, alkalising forces.

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Definitely malnutrition is part of the problem, besides all the junk in the food messing with insulin and other things.
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Ok, now to you pinball...I want to thank you for your delightful insult and for calling this a bunch of #2 instead of simply disagreeing with me.
Nothing personal, and no insult was intended.

The #2 was refering to your "#2 theory".




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No, I'm not, however, am working towards it.
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The cause of obestity is as varied as there are obese people. Anyone of the following could lead to obestity or any combination of factors

Over consumption of sugar and carbohydrates as a learned behavior either from parents who do not eat right or other social training

Toxicity affecting hormonal systems from metals, chemicals, mycotoxins

Over eating for emotional reasons

Over eating due to nutritional deficiency

Pre-diabetic or hypoglycemic states are compounded carb (sugar) metabolism disorders

Selection of highly fatty food of poor quality combined with empty carbs.

addiction to food additative chemicals

Sedentary lifestyle

total lack of trace minerals and other minerals, especially iodine.

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a carb is not just a carb and carbs in just any form will not nourish you. A carb from a bowel of spinach delivers a multitude of nutrients with it that is utilized to provide sustenance. A carb from a french fry delivers little of what you need and will not sustain health.

a carb from broccoli will provide calcium and other minerals and vitamins. A carb from pasta will provide little. If you fill your plate with broccoli instead of pasta, or bread, or potatoes, you will loose weight.


Carbs from potatoes, pasta, pastry, bread, sugar, candy, chips, can instigate an insulin release leading to hypoglycemic states which will initiate one to eat again, most often compelling one to eat more of the same and the cycle starts again.

There is one basic rule that never fails... if you eat more carbohydrates than you burn you will eventually get fat. Eating nutrient dense foods that are low in carbs is the answer.

Eating sufficient protien to maintain muscle mass is essential. It is muscle mass that burns carbs through their activity.

It is protiens that rebuild cellular structures, of course in combination with other nutrients but protiens are the main building blocks... the amino acids.

Healthy fats are required for every cell is composed of fatty acids in their cell membranes. Healthy cell membranse are essential for the transfer of nutrients. Fats that are foreign to the human metabolism will cause health problems including inflamation so stay away from soy, corn and canola oil.
Animal fats in moderation are tolerated well by the body, especially if the animal is raised with a natural life with a natural diet, not force fed grains as commercial beef and fish is. The more grains they eat the poorer the quality of their fat becomes, and essentially it becomes a foreign food to the human physiology... even though we eat it all the time we do not adapt. This is the only reason animal flesh may be toxic. Wild and natrual animal meat is good for you.

If you don't use your muscle mass you will not burn carbs efficiently, and eventually your muscle mass will deteriorate and you will burn carbs even less efficiently.

If the essential nutrients are not consumed the physiology will shift. Metabolism will not function correctly. Enzyme processes will stall. Manufacture of hormones will be askew.

If you build a house out of styrofoam and carboard it will fall down. If you build it out of natural cedar and pine and walnut it will endure.
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I have said something similar in the past. I remember my college days where I could down a whole large pizza hut pizza plus the booze. The local on campus bar started making pizza (whole wheat). 2 slices and I was full. The pizza hut was devoid of nutrients/fiber etc.
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