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Arrow Without K2, D May Encourage Heart Disease

Here's the article that tells unless we take vitamin K2 along with vitamin D, the D may encourage heart disease, opinions?

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...ification.aspx

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Hard to say. K2 is the miracle substance known as "activator x" for many years by the Weston Price Foundation, until it was finally identified as K2.

All things work together. I imagine we go into all kinds of subtle and well as major imbalances if all our nutritional needs are not met.

K2 needs to be in everyones diet, and hearty amounts of it for all the reasons Weston Prices says.
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Cardiologist Dr William Davis uses both Vitamin D an K2 to to prevent calcification. He also has had a few cases of being able to reverse Aortic Calcification which is normally unheard of in cardiac medicine.

https://www.trackyourplaque.com/blog/...e-disease.html
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Thanks Arrow and Liverock. I'm a big fan of vitamin k2 for the arteries, but it's so expensive that I often go through stretches of time without it. I was starting to think that if I don't have k2, then I should also not take my D3, and D3 is one on my list that I will not do without, from everything I've learned on this forum.
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kind, have you priced K2 at Swanson Vitamins and Vitacost? It may not be as good as that sold by Dr. Mercola at such high prices, but probably better than nothing.
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kind, have you priced K2 at Swanson Vitamins and Vitacost? It may not be as good as that sold by Dr. Mercola at such high prices, but probably better than nothing.
My Swanson catalog shows only NattoK7 (form of k2), 30 softgels @ 100mcg. for $14.99, so a months worth for me and my husband would be $30.

The one I like that I bought in the past on Amazon was Carlson k2, 5 MG. Vitacost has that one, 180 @ $43.47, $15. a month would be a better deal. Vitacost has other choices also. I like the larger dose, not sure what others are taking. My local vitamin store has limited selection, low dose and expensive.

I'm overdue to make a vitamin order, prices are definitely better online, and I've used Swanson and Vitacost for years.
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Online, Swanson shows NOW Foods' K2, 100 mcg, 100 Vcaps for $7.32. NWF366 if you want to order it. I've have nothing but good experiences with both Swanson and Vitacost for years too.
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Online, Swanson shows NOW Foods' K2, 100 mcg, 100 Vcaps for $7.32. NWF366 if you want to order it. I've have nothing but good experiences with both Swanson and Vitacost for years too.
Thanks, I always forget that they can't list everything in their catalogs. on the service, never a problem with either company.
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Is this the first study/article that d3 should be taken along with vitamin k2? The majority of people I know who take d3 don't take k2, which is why I'm asking.
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Is this the first study/article that d3 should be taken along with vitamin k2? The majority of people I know who take d3 don't take k2, which is why I'm asking.
It's the first one that I've noticed, don't know if there's more.
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The fact that Vitamin K2 could help to prevent artery calcification was first proved in the ROTTERDAM study in 2004.

Dr Wiliam Davis has a thorough article on K2 effects on arteries and cancer.

https://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2008/...0k2%20arteries

Dr Davies recommends D3 and K2 together because at the levels of D3 he recommends, you will absorb more calcium than at lower levels and K2 will ensure that it is laid down in the bones and not the arteries.
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My Swanson catalog shows only NattoK7 (form of k2), 30 softgels @ 100mcg. for $14.99, so a months worth for me and my husband would be $30.
I'm taking Doctor's Best Nattokinase. I'm specifically taking it, because it has all vitamin K removed. I can't remember why that is important. I trust Doctor's Best. I know that vitamin K1 can concentrate in the liver, which is not good. K2 will not do that. Natto is supposed to have an abundance of K2. Maybe it also contains K1, and that's why this brand removed all K. Another reason might be that natto is an anti-coagulator and K is a coagulator.

The manufacturer says:
Vitamin K2 is known to interact with and reduce the effectiveness of Warfarin and individuals taking this drug are usually told by their doctors to avoid foods that contain a large amount of Vitamin K (e.g., Natto, Green and Yellow Vegetables and Chlorella).
In order to make it possible for people taking Warfarin to benefit from consuming our NSK-SD�, we developed and patented a new technology to remove Vitamin K2 from Nattokinase product.

I think I will get my next nattokinase with the vitamin K intact.
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Thanks for that info Kindtocreatures, I will get my hubby and myself onto the k2, hubby has sinus bradicardia and Arrhythmias, and his pulse is always under 50bpm the medical prof cant do anything for him which is probably a good thing,he has a good dr that is pleased that he is taking natural supplement's rather than chemical.
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Let me ask this question, if I was going to just eat food that's high in vitamin D3, it doesn't appear to be the same foods that are high in vitamin K2. I guess I'm just seeing if I eat fish every single day, my vitamin D level would be higher than most people, but my vitamin k2 wouldn't change.

So is it also suggested that people who eat fish also have to eat eggs to balance it? I just think about the countries that eat a lot of fish and are in the sun all the time and live to be 100 years old, how are they getting k2?
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This article answered my question about using the higher dose Carlson product. It seems that k2 stays active in the body long term, around 3 days, so smaller doses are adequate.

https://www.healthyfellow.com/138/vit...heart-disease/
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