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So I have had some success so far with eliminating many infections in the last 2 or so years. But still it occurs to me I am not yet there. Particularly in the case of what I beleive is fungus.

I have used a low carb and high protein diet with lots of oils to help along with many other supplements to boost immune function and flush out the liver. I have even used MMS. But I continue to have fungal infections so far aleit less sevre.

I have recently read alot of the antifungal properties of Olive Leaf extract here on these forums. Ive also heard alot of good things about Molecula Silver, and o havedecided to order these and use them along with my continued low carb diet.

However I also came across reports of Oregano Oil and moreover some saying Olive Leaf extract was no good for fungus and even further suggested that Olive Oil was more appriate which was a new one on me. This forum seemed to have stronger views of the pro Oregano Oil and low carb diet.

So I thought I would throw this out to this forum and see what the feedback is here. What antifungal methids do you prefer?

Not only that but I have been eating alot of fish in my diet to get protein, however meat and fish have actually been said to be very acidic and not good for the process of reconditioning ones body in times of infection. This too was something of a setback as in my thoughts and made me wonder if this could be a missing link in my quest for improved health. But leads me to wonder how on earth one keeps the carbs very low and the proetein high if we are cutting out fish.

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Hey, Lodestar,

I am a firm believer that most illnesses are caused from fungus. I first learned about fungus from Doug Kaufmann. He has a tv show called Know the Cause, although you can watch it on video at Know the cause Home Page Hosted by Doug Kaufmann There is some info on the website but mostly you will need to watch his show and buy his books. Doug Kaufmann is a certified Mycologist and has been researching fungus for over 35 years. There are some good articles in his newsletter archives.

I have used MMS and gone on Doug's antifungal diet. This is not considered a low carb diet, although most foods that are antifungal happen to be low carb. There are three phases to the diet. I stayed on the Phase One for three months. It was not hard at all, although you must eat only organic meats that do not contain antibiotics which are made from fungus. Any meat that is not organic contains fungus. Most grains contain fungus as well as feed fungus and that includes sugar, peanuts and corn which are considered grains. Corn and peanuts are universally contaminated with fungus. Somewhere on the website you can find the Phase One diet, although I recommend buying his books especially his recipe book which has the Phase One thru Three Diet included. I rarely eat grains and never any yeasted breads because yeast is fungus. Coconut flour is a good replacement for wheat flour.

I use natural antifungals every day. You must rotate them monthly because fungus will become immune to them. These are some really excellent antifugals:

Grapefruit Seed Extract
Oil of Oregano
Tea Tree Oil
Coconut Oil
Colloidal Silver
Turmeric (Curcumin)
Olive Leaf Extract
D-limonene from citrus peel
Pau d'arco
Garlic
Baking Soda
Castor Oil
Shea butter
Cinnamon

There are too many to name them all. I have used all of the antifungals listed, although MMS is probably the most potent antifungal. I also have a negative ion air purifier to kill fungus. You can plug it into a wall or use an extension cord. It also kills dust mites and bad bacteria and gets rid of odors.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot. Probiotics (good bacteria) are extremely important to stop fungal overgrowth in the gut. I also use a product called nsc beta glucan, which is an antifungal and helps create T-cells to keep the immune system strong. NSC IMMUNITION SUPPLEMENTS

Long Life Unlimited has a six month antifungal protocol you can check out if you are interested. Good Luck!
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Fungus can only live on starches and sugar. Your high protein diet should really help in this respect.

In reality a high protein and vegetable diet, is really the only long term solution to fungus since it is virtually impossible to eliminate it entirely.

That is probably why I do not function well when I deviate from a high protein diet.

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Unfortuantely, people live on sugars also! Sugar is the basic chemical structure that feeds all cells.

Some people may be able to eliminate or greatly reduce fungus with diet and different herbs, etc., but if you seek a cure consider homeopathy. Homeopathy will fundamentally change the energetic level of your body and your immune system's function. I have seen fungal infections cure with homeopathy. Many homeopaths report cures of cancer. But because there is no one fundamental one or two homeopathic remedies that allopathic docs can wrap their small minds around it is discredited and hence the homeopaths don't even bother to talk about it.

Lodestar, you have not said where your fungus is located and just how you know it is a fungus. Can you elaborate?
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Alright this is a very good start and thanks for that.

I must say its interesting yet very concerning that fungus becomes immune to natural antifungals. Even more concerning that people feel they must stick to a strict regime of antifungal diet and suppementation. This suggests to me that perhaps their bodies (mine included) may be a little too friendly for fungus and it can take root again easily. Again I wonder if there is any credance in what I read here on this site just yesterday.

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The part wherwe we must alter our bodies Ph balance to a more alkaline stae in order to make it hostile for fungus to thrive. As someone who used Phoscol and Ch,orella for 2 years on a low carb diet to flush my gallbladder and liver this fact intertested me and made me wonder if this was part of the reson I only acheived partial success and that some here persist in having fungal symtoms that must be controlled. Also I wonder if there are other chemicals and toxins that are weighing down on our immune systems like medicines, toxic metals, chemicals, etc.

I never encountered Know the cause until very recently but have seen it repeated alot last few days. I will certainly take on board this info. Another factor I think may well be that fungus becomes immune although that does strike me as odd since we are not talking about pharmaceuticals.

As for my own fungal question I beleive it has mostly been in my gatrointesinal tract. In the 18 months of following a low cabr detox diet to rid my body of toxins and pathogens I was under a nutritionalist taking alot of supplements to improve my nutrient levels, aid my digestion and so on. She was using a energy medicine machine to diagnose what my body was requesting with regard to nutrients and remedies. We wre also able to see where the most stressful areas of my body where.

As I have said we had quite a bit of success in quite a few areas. Alothough my mani strss continues in my Thyroid, Connctive tissues, and half of my gallbladder is stessed while the other is weak. We had this with my liver but we were able to balance it much as we have in many other places.

Having had two periods of immune system boosting first almost 2 years back with regular Magnesiumk Chloride baths and once with high doses of MMS I had alot of pain and inflamation in my teeth and gums which caused pain all over my face and jaw. Likely as pathogens went into fight or flight mode. Since Fungus is the most resistant and for 2 years my sense of taste and smell have been very dull it seems reasonable to figure this was down to fungus reisitance. The pain even spread to my nose (sinuses and we know fungi like to live there in all that dark moist mucousy areas). Alos having bloating, gas and diahoerea for many years it would appear likely is result of my gallbladder infestation of fungus.

I also belive personal stress is more in play than even some of the most open minded practioners and that stress in ones own body can give rise to a weakened immune system and condtions that make for happy pathogens, and a less happy you.
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I found horopito to be very successful with me.

Horopito: A Unique New Zealand Medicinal Herb

Just search for Kolorex at The Best Discount Vitamins, Minerals, and Supplements at the Lowest Price - Swanson Health Products They seem to have the least expensive.
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Something else that is worth a try is coconut oil. Very affective in anti-fungus and antimicrobial problems.

Here is a good read and diet.
The Coconut Diet� - Candida
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Something else that is worth a try is coconut oil. Very affective in anti-fungus and antimicrobial problems.

Here is a good read and diet.
The Coconut Diet� - Candida
Ah yes I forgot to mention. I use organic coconut oil every day in soups and when I oven bake fish. I also shallow fry Organic tofu in it. However I am wondering as I say if I should ditch fish, especially as it could be slightly rancid for one. And I dont know if Tofu is encouraging for fungus.

I must confess after constanly battling away with my health only to be blocked by the awful mouth and nose pains I decided to look around to eliminate the infections in those areas so I could foucs on blitzing the rest of my body. Preferably by returning to MMS.
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Something else I am considering too. Since it is well known many things have a hard time getting deep inside the gut where it can be the most entrenched and damaging I have been considering enemas that may be antifungal.

I thought perhaps Pau Darco, but if anyone else has any ideas Id love to hear it. I have been rather fond of cofee enemas and got to the stage od doing them daily though Im not sure that was wise.
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If you have been doing all that you say I can only repeat that you need a visit to see a good homeopath. You have some of the finest in the world in your neck of the woods.

Homeopathy can change your internal chemistry in such a way that no herb or other medicine can. You need to see a well experienced classical homeopath. Not one that uses machines, pendulums, or radionics. You might call the British Institute of Homeopathy (do a google search) to seek out their most highly recommended practitioners, 5 years minimum I would say, and in my experience I have found that those who have been MD's previously have been the best... seems they have a degree of fanaticism and devotion unparalled.

Otherwise you are destined to chase symptoms around forever, IMHO.
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There are so many things you can do to destroy a lot of fungus. It sounds like you have found most of those anti-fungal substances. I've found that it seems easy to destroy; but it is so aggressive, you just can't keep up with it.

Arrowwind is correct that you can keep chasing this thing around by taking supplements to manage it and your symptoms. This is nearly the same as the allopathic method. Homeopathy can teach your system to keep it under control.
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If you have been doing all that you say I can only repeat that you need a visit to see a good homeopath. You have some of the finest in the world in your neck of the woods.

Homeopathy can change your internal chemistry in such a way that no herb or other medicine can. You need to see a well experienced classical homeopath. Not one that uses machines, pendulums, or radionics. You might call the British Institute of Homeopathy (do a google search) to seek out their most highly recommended practitioners, 5 years minimum I would say, and in my experience I have found that those who have been MD's previously have been the best... seems they have a degree of fanaticism and devotion unparalled.

Otherwise you are destined to chase symptoms around forever, IMHO.
Alright thank you for this. I will get onto doing this right away. As I say it is an issue that has clearly got on top of me and I have heard some rather disturbing stories of people laying out lots of cash for years and still find they are elimiating it.

Its my beleif there is never one or two variables. And that was the reason for this thread and I hope more people will add their comments here too and will be read by lots of others in my position.

Its interesting you noted not to use those who use machines as my nutritionalist uses an ASYRA machine and gives me a homeopathic remedy at the end of each consultation. But of course these were 6 months apart and as I say I had to stop going due to being broke. Havent been to see her in nearly a year.

Edit: looked on the Institute of Homeopathys site but found no list of practioners. So I emailed them. Lets see what happens.
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Lots of good info from Sally B., and also agree with Horopito and coconut oil. However, if you feel you are full of fungus, perhaps you should consider ozone treatments. I have researched this alot lately, and it is the absolute best proceedure to eliminate yeast/fungus, as well as any nagging viruses anywhere in the body.

Arrowwind is familiar with ozone, and how it can rid the body of multiple organisms, including yeast/fungus.
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Lots of good info from Sally B., and also agree with Horopito and coconut oil. However, if you feel you are full of fungus, perhaps you should consider ozone treatments. I have researched this alot lately, and it is the absolute best proceedure to eliminate yeast/fungus, as well as any nagging viruses anywhere in the body.

Arrowwind is familiar with ozone, and how it can rid the body of multiple organisms, including yeast/fungus.
Alright I shall look this up too. It may also be wise for me to look up direct cures for my abcess anyway. Never know if it is actually fungus or something else. Im confident I can rid my body of organisms and whatot. Its just the pains in my gums that spread to my jaw and a similar thing happenes in my sinus that spreads to my nose. And given the unusual reaction that happens when using MMS and natural immune boosting supplements I thought I would look for something in the way of breaking this deadlock.

Incidently I just took my first capsule of Oil of Oregano 10 minutes ago as it arrived at the door. And started molecula silver yeasterday.

Ill also look up ozone treatment.

Edit: I looked up Ozone therapy on one site and nearly died of shock at the prices. Dont get me wrong, Im ALL for trying different things especially when it comes to health and I would probalbly given it a go but not with those prices.

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Something else I am considering too. Since it is well known many things have a hard time getting deep inside the gut where it can be the most entrenched and damaging I have been considering enemas that may be antifungal.

I thought perhaps Pau Darco, but if anyone else has any ideas Id love to hear it. I have been rather fond of cofee enemas and got to the stage od doing them daily though Im not sure that was wise.


A small ozone generator can be purchased for as little as $100. That would be about 50 pounds to you. Once you have the generator, you ozonate a gallon of distilled or R.O. water. That would take about an hour or two. Then you simply give yourself an enema, and the 03 kills all the fungi and yeast in the gut. Several treatments may be necessary to kill all the fungus.

Ozone is like MMS in that it is an oxidizer, so make sure you don't have antioxidants in your system while using ozone, for they will cancel each other out.

The total cost is trivial.
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