Yep. I am aware of this bill. But it hasn't passed yet. I am a great fan of homeopathy and this is such a shame. The remedies can do such amazing things yet are harmless.

Yes, you need to stay away from C until your stomach is healed. All acidic stuff can be bad for an ulcer.

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Darn thing is that Bill C-51 is based on a similar bill which is going to be adopted by the US congress too. I guess that Big Pharma is behind this.

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Yes, you need to stay away from C until your stomach is healed. All acidic stuff can be bad for an ulcer.

I'll stay away from the chewable kind till my gut is really well. I found another Vit-C at the health store which doesn't irritate the gut.

Cheers,
Gene

Hi Sally,

Thanks for all the info.

Just Google probiotics + "side effects" or interactions and you'll end-up with a multitude of pages that warn immunodefficient people against taking probiotics.

Oh yes, I do my homework every time something I'm being prescribed something and on a couple of occasions, decided against filling out the prescriptions. As far as the Nexium goes, I already mentioned that I only take it occasionally (3-4 months/year) when I'm so stressed out that my gut and GERD flare up and stop taking them about a week or two after my gut feels better.

As far as the Clonazepam (Klonopin) goes, the side effects are horrendous but I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't, when my Chronic Anxiety isn't in check, it sometimes degenerates into a petit mal episode (mild epilepsy). A certain part of my brain is way too overactive (this was confirmed with MRI's) and I need a med that that slow down the central nervous system. See more info here: https://www.drugdigest.org/DD/DVH/Uses/0,3915,163|Clonazepam,00.html

I do agree with you and there is so much controversy on everything you'll dig up on the net that it's enough to drive you nuts. Every time you find something you feel might do you good, you'll also find contradictions, so darn confusing...

And yes, I have and always had the occasional bouts with fungus; genital yeast infections, occasional white or yellowish coating on the tongue, scalp and skin dermatitis (could never find out if it was eczema, psoriasis or whatever), etc..

About probiotics, I already have a bottle of high quality of Multi Probiotics, the ones that provoked a "cleansing" effect after taking them for a few days which was a couple of bouts with diarrhea and this had me worried for I couldn't find such a side-effect on the Net. Could it be that I should have started with a smaller dose (1 or 2 caps/day) instead of 3/day? Also, what would be the advantage of taking Kefir compared to what I already have?

Cheers,
Gene

All right, I'm about ready to buy the sublingual B12 but Arrow says 5000mcg and Sally says 1000mcg, which one should I get? LOL! I'll also be getting a good B-complex supplement (tablets).

I'll start off with those 2 (I'm also taking a Multi Vitamin which I don't know if I should when I'll be on the B's) and keep an eye out for bad side effects/interactions. If not, I'll keep adding other recommended products one by one till I'm taking everything I should.

Cheers,
Gene

I was invited to sign the C-51 petition by a Canadian businessman that I have bought products from. I signed it and put in my two-cents worth. There is a place in the address to say what country you are from. Here is the link:

https://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/stopC51

nightowl

I did as soon as it was posted on a forum I host for CAGE (Citizens Against Government Encroachment), read the thread at: https://matesjunction.com/forumsoft/i...p?topic=1325.0

Were you aware that Bill C-51 was modeled after a similar U.S. "private" bill which is now being studied by Congress?

Cheers,
Gene

Hi,

Tomorrow I'll start off with (after going to the health store):

B-12 sublingual (still confused over 1000 or 5000mcg)
B-100 time release tablets
(the above 2 made by https://naturalfactors.com/)

And probably Ester-C (which won't irritate my stomach)

Anyone second that?

Also, should I keep on taking my other Multi-Vitamin (which also contain minerals)?

Thanks,
Gene

BTW, a small update: I'm starting to feel better, my gut seems to be stabilizing (no more bloating nor nausea for 2 days), regular bowel movements for the past 3 days and my sore throat is a heck of a lot better...

Hi Gene53,

I have seen reference twice to a US bill being studied that's similar to Bill C-51, but I haven't seen the details. In my comments on the petition in Canada I mentioned my concern that the US and Canada usually follow suit so, if it's passed there, it's only a matter of time till Big Pharma attemts to do the same dirty work here...and in our country, the US, lately, they sneak in through the back door, passing a bill without giving the public a chance to comment....that's why they call it "private", but in a democracy...a FREE society that thousands of citizens fought and died to maintain, there should be NO private sessions!! Of the people, BY the peoplle and FOR the people....and don't forget who's paying the bills and the wages of those who do this to us.

nightowl

https://www.articleclick.com/Article/...jection/930880
Vitamin B12 injections are not used only to cure the deficiency of the vitamin in the body. They can also be used for therapeutic purposes. Through cobalamin, injections can energize the body and release anti-stress elements in the body. It is well known that vitamin B12 injections are used successfully in treating the chronic fatigue
syndrome. The patient takes 60-70 mg dose of vitamin B12 intramuscular injection per week, during a period of three weeks, with good results.

Generally B12 is poorly absorbed sublingually this is why I say higher dosages. I've been looking for the article I have some where that talks about the benefits of megadosing b12. Think of it this way. If you ate a steak every day you might would be megadosing on b12. Vegetarians needs B12 supplements. Absorption is the key..There are absorption difficulites with B12 in forms other than Injection so this is why I say 5,000 mcg. The above article is not a very good source and still recommend a dosage too low. Can't find the one Im looking for and I'm out of time. You really can't over do it. Some doctors inject 1mg daily! for severe disorder... perhaps I read it in my clinical nutrition course. I will have to go and look.

I don't know where you found that probiotics fear mongering article. I would trash it. If you want to be paranoid about it stick to products that have only 2 or 3 of the most common probiotic bacteria. You will get most of the probiotics from eating raw veggies naturally, which is where the rest of the world gets it. As you eat and digest better and take antifungal herbs, the situation will work itself out anyway. Keep looking at grapefruit seed extract (GSE). Do it for one month, then alternate with Olive leaf extract that is standardized to 20% 3 caps a day for one month then alternate back.

Now that I know a little more of your history I suspect you have foriegn microbe problems. All that travel and no GSE? Its a wonder your still alive. When I travel so Central America the GSE is the first thing I pack. It should be taken every several days when you are down there unless you develop an immediate problem. You can pick up microbes and they may not bother you for weeks. The time lapse can be so long that you will not be able to connect the dots.

GSE is good for microbes and fungus. Olive leaf, I think just for fungus but not sure on that one.

I am using MMS now more than GSE. Its a lot cheaper and more through. I picked up something on my last trip to Zipolite. I didn't connect the dots. Two weeks after I got home I was in upper GI stress for a while. Not the usual diarrhea that travelers get. Bloating after meals but I started thinking that I was getting my old reflux problems back but I wasn't at all. It all started on the last 2 days of my trip and I had simply eaten some Mexican critters. MMS had it gone in about 2 days.

Gene,

Arrowwind is right when she says you should take 5,000 mcg B12. I was using 1,000mcg B12 to show that the dosage was mcg not mg. Anyway, I would take the 5,000mcg B12. If there are B's in your multi I guess you don't need to take a complex. Although some multis have very little amounts of B vitamins in them. Definitely do not stop taking your multi. Everyone should at least take a good multi with minerals.

I spend days, weeks or months sometimes doing research before I decide to take a new supplement. I believe any negative articles about probiotics having negative side effects is BS!!! Although I must say that some are better than others. Since you have trouble ordering online, I guess you'll have to trust your health food store to stear you in the right direction. For you, less is probably better to start with. The probiotics are probably killing off some fungus in your digestive tract, thus the diarrhea.

I also agree with Arrow that MMS works much faster for killing pathogens. Do some research on this forum about it and don't be afraid to try it. It absolutely works. You also get more bang for your buck. It is really cheap for the amount of doses you get from one bottle! Grapefruit seed extract is always in my cupboard, too. As well as olive leaf and oregano oil, which are all antibacterial, antifungal and antiviral. I rotate them regularly so they (bacteria, virus, fungus) won't become immune to them. I use them topically too.

I am aware of Bill C-51. Bummer!!! I email my congressmen regularly on many different issues, although I'm not sure it makes much difference. It's scary the direction our governments are headed when it comes to our health care.

ABTW, Doug Kaufmann at www.knowthecause.com says that depression and anxiety are caused from fungus. I mentioned before that my niece was having siezures until she stopped eating grains! Grains feed fungus, it is their favorite food! I believe your health will improve immensely once you get rid of the fungus in your body. Although my brother-in-law was diagnosed with epilepsy at age 44, he is now 50. He did not want to take drugs so we (me and my sister) did tons of research and discovered that what triggered his seizures was MSG and Aspartame. Have you considered this as a cause? They are excitotoxins to the brain. He has to be sure and read labels before he consumes just about anything unless it is fresh fruits and vegies. The doctor's wanted him to take barbituates which caused him severe depression and did not stop his seizures either! He has been seizure free for several years now. Anyway, I wish you luck and a speedy recovery!

Sally B.

Hi Arrowwind,

Out of personal experience, I do agree with that. I underwent the above treatment in Costa Rica a few years back after being completely exhausted working more than 70 hours/week, as a matter of fatc I started feeling better after the first shot.

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Generally B12 is poorly absorbed sublingually this is why I say higher dosages. I've been looking for the article I have some where that talks about the benefits of megadosing b12. Think of it this way. If you ate a steak every day you might would be megadosing on b12. Vegetarians needs B12 supplements. Absorption is the key..There are absorption difficulites with B12 in forms other than Injection so this is why I say 5,000 mcg. The above article is not a very good source and still recommend a dosage too low. Can't find the one Im looking for and I'm out of time. You really can't over do it. Some doctors inject 1mg daily! for severe disorder... perhaps I read it in my clinical nutrition course. I will have to go and look.

According to all of the research I did on the Net, you're quite right. Going the sublingual way is a little more effective than oral.

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I don't know where you found that probiotics fear mongering article. I would trash it. If you want to be paranoid about it stick to products that have only 2 or 3 of the most common probiotic bacteria. You will get most of the probiotics from eating raw veggies naturally, which is where the rest of the world gets it. As you eat and digest better and take antifungal herbs, the situation will work itself out anyway. Keep looking at grapefruit seed extract (GSE). Do it for one month, then alternate with Olive leaf extract that is standardized to 20% 3 caps a day for one month then alternate back.

The probiotics "fear mongering" is the result of Googling probiotics + side effects (the interactions). A few examples are:
https://nccam.nih.gov/health/probiotics/#effects
https://altmedicine.about.com/cs/herb...cidophilus.htm
https://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH...ontent#dangers

Those are only a few, Google returned: 1 - 10 of about 436,000 for probiotics + side effects.

Anyways, I'll be going on step at a time with B12, B100 and Ester-C (I do need that C supplement) and will eventually start taking the Multi-Probiotics I already have but only after (or if you suggest, while) taking the antifungal herbs.

Cheers,
Gene

Even though I've been plagued with all kinds of weird stuff since childhood, I could have made it worse by picking something up while living In Central America even though I always had my trusty British Berkefeld water filter, which could almost turn raw sewage into drinking water.

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GSE is good for microbes and fungus. Olive leaf, I think just for fungus but not sure on that one. I am using MMS now more than GSE. Its a lot cheaper and more through. I picked up something on my last trip to Zipolite. I didn't connect the dots. Two weeks after I got home I was in upper GI stress for a while. Not the usual diarrhea that travelers get. Bloating after meals but I started thinking that I was getting my old reflux problems back but I wasn't at all. It all started on the last 2 days of my trip and I had simply eaten some Mexican critters. MMS had it gone in about 2 days.

Those will be the next step after the B and C's, as I said, I want to go easy and avoid what I did a couple of weeks ago, going all out with a kinds of concoctions which interacted with my Klonopin and lit a fire in my gut where I had to start taking the darn Nexium again.

Thanks,
Gene

Hi Sally,
5,000mcg is the way I'll be going along with the B-100 because my multi-vitamins hold less than 25mg's of the other B's. Mind you, I'll keep on taking the Multis on account of all the other vitamins and minerals which I'm sure my organism needs.

I usually am very careful and do my homework before taking anything but there's so much contradictory stuff on the Net that I usually end-up more confused than anything else. What started me posting on this forum is the result of "throwing caution to the wind" and following advice I found on "one of the 10 most popular holistic health care sites".

When I was stricken with that bad flu a little over 3 weeks ago, I didn't want to go see a GP, the only healthcare you'll find around here is sitting for hours in walk-in clinics or waiting for over 12 hours in a hospital ER waiting room. This darn socialized healthcare we have here is not as good as what people might think, over 65% of the population don't have a regular GP. Anyways, after a few bad incidents with so-called MD's (bad diagnosis, etc.), I kinda lost faith in them and only see one when I need something prescribed.

So, back to that "popular" site, they highly recommended cayenne pepper and garlic concoctions to relive the flu and really sore throat and even though it did help with some of the symptoms, it sure as heck played havoc with my gut, even though thy claim that those ingredients are good for curing ulcers (yeah, right). So, I stopped taking this and started on the Nexium once more, my gut was burning and the GERD, bloating, etc. was intolerable.

I then went back to that site and was advised to mix 1/2 tsp. baking soda in half a glass of warm water 4 times/day, gargle and swallow it for it would make my system alkaline and this supposedly kills bacteria. Unfortunately, this didn't work out for me either (except for relieving the pain in my throat), the sodium affected my electrolytes levels and only increased my anxiety.

Those I'll try after I feel safe enough that my "first step" (B & C's) isn't causing adverse reactions. I do want to get rid of those pathogens, tired of all the yeast infections manifesting themselves in various ways (gut, dermatitis, etc.). A good "cleansing" is in order but I have to so this over a certain period of time.

If you read between the lines, the new laws could make you criminally liable if you give someone some herb or product for an ailment unless you're a certified Homeopath or Naturotherapist.

Yes, I do remember you telling me about your niece and I am very careful about choosing foods that contain MSG, Aspertame and preservatives.

Well, I'm on my way to the health store for phase 1 of my recovery to get the sublingual B-12, B-100 and Ester-C.

Thanks,
Gene

Hi folks,

Just got back from the health food store where I bought:

B-12 sublingual, Methylcobalamine, 1000mcg (no 5000mcg, thanks to Health Canada, kinda stupid, could pop 5/day)
B-100, time release capsules (8 hours)
Ester-C 600mg (Sisu brand, vitamin C buffered with calcium)

How much of the B's & C's would you suggest I take as a starter (but effective) treatment. I'll be starting tomorrow morning.


Cheers,
Gene