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Old 01-10-2009, 12:16 AM
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Thanks Jim, I'm very glad that your risk is low. No need for more people to go through this sleepless, worrisome, health problem.

You said you are an excellent worrier? Well.......I think I beat you to it. It was unbearable stress and worries that got me this ill; they set me up for so many different health problems that I don't even know what they are for sure yet. And it's been seven years passed, and still going through the motion.



*Well, it turns out that I might be allergic to (potassium) iodine. After reading Dr. Wright's view on iodine which was sent to be by Arrowwind. He had mentioned that one of the allergic reactions to iodine was bumpy, red rash.

I had tried Iordoral tablets for several or more days each, on two separate occasions and had the same allergic reaction like they had mentioned on the bottle. After a few days on it, I started to get a few pimple-like red bumps on my arms and legs. Even after I had reduced the dosage to half a tablet I still got it. My doc told me to take a quarter of a tablet; I thought it was just too difficult to cut a fourth of that tiny tab, so I didn't bother and stopped after second time around. I can't believe I am allergic to the one single mineral that I desperately need!

I wonder if I will have the same allergic reaction if I use it topically; I want to use it on my breast lump BAD...
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Old 01-10-2009, 07:41 AM
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Gosh TML. That's too bad about your potassium reaction. There is such a wide variety of foods that contain potassium; and it is so essential to us. It plays a role in the prevention of numerous health problems.

WHFoods: potassium

It's too bad about your use of iodine too. There is clinical proof, using a large number of people, that iodine can cure fibrocystic breast disease. Also, the typical Japanese diet maintains a daily dose of about 12mg of iodine. That means women, children, invalids, all. They do not have breast problems as do the rest of the world. The US recommended daily amount of iodine is 150mcg. That's not nearly enough to match that 12mg.

I hope you don't have to have surgery; but I know, if I were a woman, I would not have peace until I knew exactly what was happening and would choose surgery unless I did know for sure that it was not life threatening.

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You said you are an excellent worrier? Well.......I think I beat you to it. It was unbearable stress and worries that got me this ill; they set me up for so many different health problems that I don't even know what they are for sure yet.
I'm with you on that. I'm sure that anxiety and sensitive emotions have placed me in my health status for a lifetime (60yrs). I remember these same problems even when I was 7 years old. Then a high stress career in the computer industry and a high stress hobbie trading commodity futures did not help. Of course with us, none of that really matters. We are very good at inventing worries where there are none. I remember that my mother would worry that when someone steps on a blade of grass, the grass would suffer needlessly. I think it runs in the family.
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TML, now do you think you are allergic to iodine or the potassium part?
There are some iodine products out there that have no potassium in them.


I just don't get how people can be allergic to this stuff, yet I know its true. Iodine is essential!

Perhaps it is time for some true constitutional homeopathic care?
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I apologize, I have miscommunicated; it was almost 2 am when I post that message, I was a little worn out, and wasn't precised with what I said. I took Iodoral-- a high potency Iodine/Potassium Iodine Supplement which contains 5 mg of iodine and 7.5 mg of iodide(as potassium salt).

It's the iodine that I'm allergic to, not potassium at all--I love bananas and was taking potassium supplement and never had any reaction, I'm fine with potassium.

I don't understand, I've been using iodized sea salt for the longest time with no problem. Maybe, it's barely there in the salt. Darn! I am so devastated. There it goes again Jim--more worries and I'm only 32; I'm an emotional mess. I know I am very deficient in this mineral--considering some of the health signals I have with the thyroid, breast lump/tenderness, hair thinning--falls out all day long. I'm terrify every time I step in the shower-- because I don't know how much it's gonna fall out; it's thinning dramatically.

You're right Arrow, perhaps it is time for true homeopathic care. I'm in a process of looking for a naturopath or an holistic physician in my area; what's the difference between the two?

The new (mainstream)doc that I'm seeing is also on a mission to help me sort out all these problems. I had bloodwork for antibodies done yesterday, and I didn't know she had prescribed a sonogram for my thyroid--that was a surprise--got that done too. I gotta keep my chin up and believe that everything will be figured out. It's not so easy for people like me and Jim, we're so good and talented at what we do--dwell on our worries. I think I got that from a non-supportive, ready-to-put me-down type of family; it's a lose, lose situation with them--every single one. And my fiance is so not good with all the emotional stuff, and friends...I have none (but oh, do I need all the love and support!). I gave up on them since high school and I'm still healing from all the knives' wounds on my back. Enough with my personal, miserable life, I don't want to bring you guys down.

So, you guys think I should try using lugols iodine topically on my breast lump? Maybe I won't get any reaction doing it that way and it might help my thyroid too, I think it's worth a try. And I wil also do the castor oil packs, and maybe MMS to--after I read all the info. on MMS.

Thanks again all, you have been very kind, thoughtful, and supportive--every little bit counts for me.
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You're right Arrow, perhaps it is time for true homeopathic care. I'm in a process of looking for a naturopath or an holistic physician in my area; what's the difference between the two?

It's not so easy for people like me and Jim, we're so good and talented at what we do--dwell on our worries. I think I got that from a non-supportive, ready-to-put me-down type of family; it's a lose, lose situation with them--every single one. And my fiance is so not good with all the emotional stuff, and friends...I have none (but oh, do I need all the love and support!). I gave up on them since high school and I'm still healing from all the knives' wounds on my back. Enough with my personal, miserable life, I don't want to bring you guys down.

So, you guys think I should try using lugols iodine topically on my breast lump? Maybe I won't get any reaction doing it that way and it might help my thyroid too, I think it's worth a try. And I wil also do the castor oil packs, and maybe MMS to--after I read all the info. on MMS.

OK gal! Its time to get a grip on yourself. I'm sending you to this thread in hopes that you can take the hour or two to read the info and start practicing EFT for your emotional well being.... you need to be able to cope with the changes you are going through and this tool could help.
EFT - how to cure emotionally based disease

Be sure to print out the two or so pages on exactly how to do the procedure and keep them with you till you get it.

There is a big difference between homeopathy and naturopathy. Some naturopaths do some homeopathy but in your case I suggest that you find a classical homeopath. How to know? Just ask them when you call.

You can read this link to learn exactly what homeopathy is and how it works.
Homeopathy Explained - Part One

when done move on to part two.

Question, have you used betadine or other iodine based topicals without problem? I am always concerned about allergy. Do you eat shellfish?

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Thanks for the useful links and great thougths, I think you woke me up from the gloom. I do need to suck it up and be positive--that's the way to live right? And of course, I will try and practice the procedure you have suggested--I really need it BAD...

What is betadine? I don't think I have ever used any iodine based topicals--not that I know of. I love shellfish--crab, shrimp, lobster, crawfish (from Louisiana, can you blame me?), etc.. I'd chomp those crustacians down by the pounds (not shrimp, cause they have alot of cholesterol in them) every time I get a chance, and never had any problem. That's weird, don't shellfish have alot of iodine in them? I don't get it, weird
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When you first begin any health protocols, like iodine, toxins will find whatever escape route they can. The skin is one way out. Perhaps you are seeing the release of toxins from your body rather than an iodine allergy. Next time you start something like this, be sure to drink lots of water to help flush toxins out. Even when microbes are being killed by the protocol, they will emit bad things like ammonia for example.

But I agree with Arrowwind. I think a homeopathic path is more reasonable for you. It is certainly a more gentle approach than the iodine. It is also a powerful health aid, if you can find a good homeopath in your area. You have a lot going on emotionally as well as physically. Be kind to yourself but resolved (disciplined).
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I forgot. Iodine displaces bromide in the body. Bromide is another halogen (as is fluoride). It has probably taken up residence in your thyroid due to iodine deficiency in the body. The thyroid does not know the difference; but the tragedy is that bromide does not help the thyroid in any way. You will get bromide from most pastries and bread. It is in the flour. Bakers like to use it for some reason. As bromide is displaced, it can cause detox symptoms like that rash. Iodine was removed from bread long ago; because of paranoia. Some places, in the world, are beginning to put it back. Too many people are showing symptoms of iodine deficiency.

Here is a protocol from that breastcancerchoices site that I gave you. It has worked for very many people.
Dr. William Shevin's Bromide Detox Protocol

All this detox stuff is called Herxheimer reaction. Naturopaths know this very well. So do allopaths. How many times have you heard, "It will get worse before it gets better"?
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What is betadine? I don't think I have ever used any iodine based topicals--not that I know of. I love shellfish--crab, shrimp, lobster, crawfish (from Louisiana, can you blame me?), etc.. I'd chomp those crustacians down by the pounds (not shrimp, cause they have alot of cholesterol in them) every time I get a chance, and never had any problem. That's weird, don't shellfish have alot of iodine in them? I don't get it, weird
Betadine is the typical ioidne sold in pharmacies for wound care. Lots of people use it for that but it should not be used for supplementation.

But what you said above says a lot. People who are allergic to iodine cannot eat shell fish. If you eat them the way you say you do I am seriously doubting that you are allergic to iodine! You may be experiencing some skin detox from the use of iodine. As jfh says, iodine will make you detox, and you will detox for a time when you start, no way around it. Detox shows up different in different people. Some folks get no symptoms at all.

Now I am inclined to say use the lugols topically and see how it goes. If it goes well after a week or so then start adding one drop to your diet each day....that pending your diagnosis and all with thyroid issues. By and large the majority of thyroid issues respond well to supplemental iodine. Even hyperactive thyroid issues can. But you need to know what is going on so it can be approached in a realistic and practical manner. You may detox through your skin. You will just have to see.

If skin is an issue learning about dry skin brushing will be helpful.
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Here is an article you will find of interest.
Dr. David Derry Answers Reader Questions -- Breast Cancer, Tamoxifen, Thyroid & Weight Loss


and this article about the herb vitex. If your anterior pituitary gland is not working well it may be just the thing to try. TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone is produced the the pituitary gland, but I am not sure if it is the anterior part... perhaps?
https://www.susunweed.com/Article_Vitex_RedMoonHerbs.htm
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Sorry for the delayed reply.

Thank you, thank you so much. I'm getting so much info from you guys, I'm still processing it in my mind. And all the links you have given me are so helpful, I haven't got to all of it yet, and will soon. You guys are Godsent, and I'm so grateful from the bottom of my heart, and thanks to this health forums too.

You know what Jim, I think you are right about it's not an allergic reaction, but really a detox reaction. All that shellfish that I ate and had no allergic reaction; that has to be it.

Seems like any detox will show up on my skin. One time I took SunChlorella for a week and started to get itchy, red rash spots in various places on my body--even my face. I stopped and it went away. And another time when I did the colon cleanse and metal detox(amalgam fillings), toward the end of the metal detox my skin started breaking out in acne all over--face and body; it went away a week or so later. And not to mention when my doc put me on oral bio-identical progresterone--a month later I broke out in painful acne all over, except for my arms and below the hip areas.

I told the doctor, and he said it was just stress--I doubt it. Stress had gotten me this sick and I didn't have acne, maybe a few here and there when I go through the cycle. He took me got off of it after 5 months--got pregnant. The acne got so bad when I was pregnant. I wore t-shirts everywhere I went, and let my long hair down the whole scorching, hot, humid summer.

I got put back on it immediately the same day after the delivery of my son; it was supposed to help prevent me from getting post-natal depression. After 7 or 8 more months on it, I got off of it for good because I couldn't endure the severe acne. It turned my life upside down, and got furthur downhill from there. I was a wreck. They had adjusted my dosage--it didn't help. My acne has subsided a bit, but not much--and it's been 3 1/2 years later.

It got to the point where I was hiding from people, UPS delivery, and even children. I couldn't face anybody, and couldn't stand it when people look at me. I barely went out, and when I did, I'd slap a ton of make-up (my mask) on; that even made me feel alot more unattractive. My life had altered dramatically, I had no quality of life--all the health problems, and now acne! I had isolated myself from everyone. All the very little self-esteem, cofidence, pride, etc., that I have left went down the gutter; not to mention acne scars I will have to deal with later.

I'm still on the third doctor there to help me with the same problems. She successfully treated me, and then different consequences/side-effects started. So, everything stopped and started to go downhill again. She had mentioned a saliva test that also shows the hormones levels. I haven't called her back for that yet.

I'm just about to give up on them, but not on my life. See... some positive thinking there Arrow, I'm making some progress aren't I?

I almost forgot to mention one thing related to what Jim said about ammonia. Several times I have excercised, I noticed my breath(breathing--nostrils) smelled like ammonia. I thought that was really odd. I don't know if it was during, after or even related to the detox--I forgot; can't hardly remember anything anymore, especially my short-term memmory.

I think I will use the lugols iodine topically on the breast lump first and drink plenty of water to see how that goes. And meanwhile waiting for proper diagnosis.

By the way Arrow, one of the sales reps at the vitamin shop in my doc's facility had mentioned how Vitex had helped her with her acne problem after I had told her my unfortunate acne story. She said it might help me and put a bottle in my bag--at no charge! I didn't take it because it wasn't what the doctor ordered; I didn't want anymore consequences, since they haven't helped me figured out why.

It is to be considered when we piece the pieces of puzzles together--if I need it. Thanks for bringing it up. It's still in my medicine cabinet.
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Keep us informed TML. Good, bad, or neutral. I hope you will seek out a naturopath or homeopath. Under the circumstance, a wholistic doctor would be good. Better than someone who want to perform surgery unless it is absolutely necessary.
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OMG! I just wrote you a lengthy post and lost it. Now Im just too tired to go on...so this will be it for today...the links I had gathered together for you.

So here I go again.

The more I learn about you the more I can see that detox is a main issue for you. Acne may be helped by the vitex, or even something else, but the reason things are amiss is due to sluggish liver and perhaps other organs, and for you certainly, skin. Skin is the largest organ in area that the body has. It is responsible for detoxing much. Do learn about and practice skin brushing. I will make detoxing and healing easier for you.

I worry about overloading you with info. But what else can I do? There are many answers to the many questions.

I have been into detox for over 30 years and I'm going to recommend the book to you that I would have written If I ever got around to it..
This book has sound and sensible advise and you can take it to bed with you for an evening read instead of glazing at the computer. I have done this program several times in the past 1.5 years. I like it cause it shows me how to cheat so I can keep up with my fast paced job. Ive done may detox fasts over the years. This book is filled with sound advice. Now don't be misled about the loosing weight thing. I don't know it that is an issue for you or not but it is really irrelevant. If you are detoxed, and if you do moderate exercise you will loose weight . Your hormonal glands will start to detox also, which will start to restore balance on many levels. You WILL learn a lot from this book.


Amazon.com: 21 Pounds in 21 Days: The Martha's Vineyard Diet Detox: Roni Deluz, James Hester: Books

She recommends green products in her fasts. I don't buy her products. I purchase the one below, but I have not used this company before. I ususally purchase directly from Amazon.com: Online Shopping for Electronics, Apparel, Computers, Books, DVDs & more but couldn't find it today. either way this is a good price. I use it because its pretty high powered in orac value and tastes good too. Even my kids will use the berry flavored with out nagging or even encouragement. Now you know if a 20 year old will reach into a cabinet and scoop it into his drinks it has to be kinda ok.

https://www.fubaohealthstore.com/Pakonen.html
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The night before I wrote a really detailed, lengthy post. It took me a few hours, most of the things I wanted to say were time consuming due to sluggish memory. When I click on the submit button, it said that I wasn't allowed to to that task and told me to refreshed the button a start over again. I lost the whole thing, I was so upset--I stayed up til 4 am. So, thank you for doing it over, I appreciate it.

I got started on a detox program by Jon Barron at jonbarron.org since last March. There are 3 phases, I only got to the first phase and never finished the last two. I started over about 2 months ago and still haven't done the last 2 phases yet. I have a reasonal amount of time to finish the last two phases. I'll have to finish this program since I still have the products for the last two phases. I got his products from baselinenutritionals.com. They are pricey, I can barely afford it, but since I really need to get well--can't spend like that anymore. I will look into the detox book and products, since I can cheat and it's affordable.

I don't have much of a weigh issue, just alot of health issues that really need to be resolved. That's one thing I don't have to worry about.

Don't worry about overloading me with info. And you are right, there are many anwers to many questions, and I need answers. I will get to all of them.

By the way, my acne is not as bad as I have mentioned, but needs to be resolved. I don't want you to think I'm acne-lizard woman.

I will go get ready to go for my second ultrasound now. Fingers crossed.

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