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Any suggestions on detoxing from an insect bite?

The bite occurred about 5 months ago leaving two definite puncture wounds. The skin today is still almost black in the area on his instep. The Drs. Had not seen anything quite like it�he was wearing a new pair of athletic socks made in China so possibly a foreign insect. A CT scan, MRI, EDS screening by two Drs., homoepathic remedies and several detoxes later we still need some help. The only symptoms left are headaches but would like to get rid of those too�it�s time to feel good again.

Is this possibly something where MMS might be helpful?

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Years ago I was into using MegaHydrin. One of their testimonials told of taking the supplement to sucessfully neutralize the bite of a brown recluse spyder. I was bitten by several fire ants and remembered the story and took the MegaHydrin and the pain immediately went away and pustules never developed. Of course, this was immediate 1st aid, but it still might help you.

This is the cheapest source I've found. https://www.fubaohealthstore.com/megah.html
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Iggy, do you think those foot detox pad would be of any help? I've never used them.. but maybe they might be worth a try since the bite is on the insole?
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Iggy, do you think those foot detox pad would be of any help? I've never used them.. but maybe they might be worth a try since the bite is on the insole?
I've never had any faith in that but it wouldn't hurt to try. Soaking in Epsom Salts would be worth trying.
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I think you are right, Iggy.

egad.. I just read something where someone poured pure water on the pad and it turned color... sounds like a ripoff..

Champneys Detox Pads - Office Experiment!
Champneys Detox Pad - Dissection
Champneys Detox Pads - the clinical trial

but, the epsom salts works by changing the pressure of the water so that is is lower than your body, which draws things from your body into the water.

they recommend this for poison ivy.. to get the poison ivy out of the skin. they even say that people have used epsom salt bath to remove splinters

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I agree with Iggy and Scorpiotiger - Epsom salts to draw poison out of the wound is sensible.
I keep a jar of magnesium sulphate paste in a cupboard - it's one of the first aid kit items.
As an acupuncturist I have treated spider bite with acupuncture, but it was about a month after the bite that the patient came to me. It helped a little, but it would have helped more if I could have treated her earlier.
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that's interesting. Xania, how do you treat a spider bite with acupuncture?

and what do you use the magnesium sulfate paste for?
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Mag.sulph. paste - good for drawing stuff out of a cut, abscesses, boils. I used it to get a splinter to surface recently!

The spider bite - I used a "surround" technique. Lots of tiny needles just below the skin surface about a quarter of an inch apart. It stimulates circulation, helps to remove toxins and promotes healing. We use the same technique for shingles rash - it works like magic in shingles, reducing the area of rash very quickly and also minimising pain.
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Mag.sulph. paste - good for drawing stuff out of a cut, abscesses, boils. I used it to get a splinter to surface recently!

The spider bite - I used a "surround" technique. Lots of tiny needles just below the skin surface about a quarter of an inch apart. It stimulates circulation, helps to remove toxins and promotes healing. We use the same technique for shingles rash - it works like magic in shingles, reducing the area of rash very quickly and also minimising pain.
where do the toxins go?
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Sorry - wrong answer!!
I think that the body's natural healing process removes unwanted toxins, through the reduction of inflammation, the dispersal of toxic process via blood circulation, lymph activity, etc.
If you have a bruise, where does the bruising go? It is absorbed and removed by cell activity, circulatory waste removal.

Does that answer you?
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so, you stimulate the blood circulation by the insertion of the needles all around the area?

is this a standard acupuncture technique?

also, by surrounding the bite.. how does it affect the energy? or is this just supposed to stimulate the blood circulation?

and.. is this something that a person could attempt.. not full insertion like you would do.. but i wonder if just pricking the skin around with needles would help?
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I really don't know if just pricking the skin would have the same effect - I haven't heard of it.

Yes, the surrounding needles stimulate energy, circulation, elimination. I would also use other points to have an anti-histamine effect, and to aid elimination. Maybe liver and kdiney points, or other, depending on the individual.

As for "Standard" - I am sure all acupuncturists are aware of the technique, but different schools of acupuncture emphasise different aspects of treatment.
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I really don't know if just pricking the skin would have the same effect - I haven't heard of it.

Yes, the surrounding needles stimulate energy, circulation, elimination. I would also use other points to have an anti-histamine effect, and to aid elimination. Maybe liver and kdiney points, or other, depending on the individual.

As for "Standard" - I am sure all acupuncturists are aware of the technique, but different schools of acupuncture emphasise different aspects of treatment.
Xania.. did you see this?
https://www.natmedtalk.com/alternative-therapies/2673-acupuncture-testing-meridians.html

the needles definitely improved the bodies response... but the acupressure at the right points did show some response. so.. I'm wondering if just a little surface pricking would be not as good as your needling (which I don't want to do at home).. but better than acupuncture?

I had a Chinese friend that went to an unlicensed acupuncturist.. and he inserted the needle too close to a nerve and she had trouble with her hand afterwards for months. so.. I think I wouldn't want to go any more that just surface pricking. but.. I wonder if surface pricking would be between acupuncture and needling?
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My son got a lovely huge bite on his butt a few weeks ago, at least an inch across. Of course I immediately went into panic mode thinking he was getting a MRSA boil. It did look pretty bad but he kept insisting it was a bite. There seemed to be one tiny whole directly in the center.

We applied mms directly and he took it orally and it started to feel better immediately and was gone in a couple of days.

These bites that are so bad, I have become convinced over the years, involve pathogens. Wether the insect carries the pathogen or the toxic state it creates in the tissue invites pathogen residence, I am not sure. But since many of us are convinced that there is a whole world of pathogens not visible to our Labs as they currently stand, I do think that pathogen is most likely even when cultures show no pathogens.

I had a friend with a serious brown recluse bite many years ago. For a year the pit on her groin grew deeper and deeper. Finely fed up with the doctors she started to pack it with golden seal powder and myrrh. It started to heal after that and was cured in about 10 weeks or so. These herbs are known for their antimicrobial properties.

Black tissue often means gangrene and gangrene is a pathogen induced disease brought on by circulatory compromise of some sort.

If you want to make sure that pathogen is not responsible for this MMS is the answer.
If for some reason you do not want to use MMS I would look at an allicin product. The best, like Allimed.

Foot soaks would be ok. After the soak I would apply calendula ointment. Did you try the homeopathic lachesis? or tarentula hispanica? tarentual has black spots and headaches. Lachesis has headaches but the wound tends to be more blue-black.
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