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On the first of the month, I felt compelled to do a ten day water fast (a God thing). I felt great, didnt have any problems. No weakness, no withdrawals from anything, and surprisingly, no hunger. At the end of ten days, I have no desire to go back to eating yet, so I havent. I have thought that maybe there would be a safe natural way to stay on a liquid diet for awhile...ok, for a long while. On the eleventh, I juiced an orange, and added water, and drank that. On the 12th day, I juiced a pomegrante, and then added water to it... In the evening I drank a cup of hot organic peppermint tea, with no sweetener. I tried juicing some comfrey leaves, but instead let the grated comfrey leaves steep in water... nasty tasting stuff, so I added a bit of pure grade A maple syrup. Yesterday, I had to force myself to drink the juice of an orange, and some more peppermint tea. Today, I drank herbal tea, and spent the day making some turkey broth...which I am drinking now, but made it half broth, half water...
How can I keep this going safely??? I am taking a multi vitamin/mineral supplement, a B complex, and mag. In my feeble thinking, as long as I get enough protein, vitamins and minerals, I should be good for awhile?? yes?? My plan of attack is live fresh veggie juices during the day, and then a protein shake in the evening before I go to bed, along with taking all supplements before bed...my thinking is, that in case these make me hungry, I will sleep it off... I never eat at night, so that should deter me.. Oh, I have started back on the apple cider vinegar in hot water first thing in the morning, and it seems to satisfy my coffee craving.. I realize and understand, that once I start eating again, I will put weight back on... But, if I go wisely, and stay away from the carbs (esp, the processed carbs) I might be able to keep off most of what I lose.. I dont have a time frame, I know that once I reach a certain point, that I will have to gradually go back to eating, instead of just frying up a burger or something... and Im not going to worry about that point, just sort of figuring that I am there now and if I decide to start eating, then I need to start slow..... My plan is to stay with mostly the clear liquids, for now, (except one protein shake daily) and then after a while go to the next step of adding raw goats milk. Then ???? Im not sure.. I know I need to stay away from processed carbs, starches, grains, and sweets.... Am I missing something? Is there actually a way that I can continue doing this in a safe manner??? I know, I am taking a risk, but so where I am at now is an even bigger risk.

I feel great, seem to have so much more energy. Im getting things done that have needed to be done for quite a while. I get bored just sitting playing on the computer, so I have been up and moving more now. I was planning on starting to walk on my tredmill (slowly) but my horse kicked me in my rear end, and I landed on my leg wrong.. So having to be very careful with walking and such, cus it hurts!!! As soon as the leg heals, I do plan on walking, and also using my stationary bike.

I was told that a person needs at least 60 grams of protein a day? Yes/No???

I was also told, that B vitamins will cause you to be hungry?? Has anyone ever heard this before?

thanks for any input, I sure do appreciate it.

Sorry this is so long, but ya'll know me, I ramble....
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Doesn't seem healthy long term. Why not just juice one meal or two meals instead of every meal
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Ooooh Limit me, how exciting! And congratulations for giving your body a rest. The proof is in the pudding, no pun intended. You feel great, have more energy than before and are getting more things done.

I read once that we live off of 1/3 of our food and the doctor lives off of the other 2/3.

Most people may poo poo the idea of fasting. That's because they haven't studied it enough. In nature all animals fast when they are injured or sick. It gives their body a rest and allows for it to heal itself. Fasting is an age old health promoting activity. Underfeeding is a known life enhancer and longevity builder. How many 300 pound 90 year olds do you see?

I'm excited for you!

My husbands fasts every Friday. I do 7 - 10 day fasts and marvel at how great I feel while doing it. It is so strange that by NOT eating food you can actually have wonderful energy and peace of mind. I find I'm very calm and at peace with life while I fast. It becomes spiritual as well as physical for me. The hardest part is getting started.
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jbo, I am an addict. I am addicted to food... I have finally come to the conclussion that I need to rewire my brain, and this is the only way I know how to do it... I have issues, I admit it... But, Im the type of person that if I have one coke, then I cant stop drinking them, I will crave another one that afternoon, and then again the next day and then cave into those cravings... It took a drastic bet back in march for me to get off sodas once and for all.. I havent had a coke or diet coke since march, which for me is a miracle... I have had a couple of rootbeers with a grandson, and I had some sprite when I was sick.. I have tried all the diets, but after so many days, if its around me, (which it always is, because my son and his family live with me) I will end up eating it. I need to break those habits and as long as I dont have the desire to eat, I figure I might as well take advantage of that, and break some really bad habits. Again, if I am taking in protein, vitamins and minerals, and fresh squeezed juice...what am I missing, where is the danger???? thats what I am asking
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Mommysunshine, I have always been a big fan of fasting, I think its a vital part of a healthy body.. but yes, its the starting it that is the hardest.. I have found, tho in my life, when I feel God is telling me to fast, that I have no issues starting at all.
I did ten days just water... now trying to add the juices and teas... Not really interested in starting the protein shake yet for some reason... Im trying to listen to my body and see what it wants... I made turkey broth yesterday, allowed it to simmer all day... so finally strained it about 7 and took a cup of broth and added a cup of water then slowly drank that... Unfortunatly it didnt set well with my stomach... as funny as it sounds, it gave me diarreah. Im wondering if maybe I had chilled it and taken off the fat/grease if that would have worked out better...

All I can say, is that this will be a learning experience. Hoping the kids go elsewhere for thanksgiving!!!! I dont think I've ever actually just listened to what my body was telling me.... I hope I can do this for quite a while... Oh and by the way, my son is a emt, and I have a whole squad of emts paramedics keeping a check on me... If I can afford the doctor visit on the first, I will talk to my doctor and see what she has to say....

Isnt it the medifast diet that is a liquid diet?? I checked into it once, and it was so expensive...So apparently there is a way to do a safe liquid fast. If I can do this right, why not???
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jbo, I am an addict. I am addicted to food...
Maybe this is a good reason to try hypnosis.

Once upon a time, I read where your parasites will convince you that you need/want sugar. I think this was on a Candida forum, so take this as an unproven theory. Well after all, theories are unproven. But it makes sense to me in my experiences. If it really is a sound theory, then doing Humaworm twice a year should really help this and many other things. Here is the formula and product. https://humaworm.com/formula.html I do this once a year. It only takes a month, and diet does not have to change.
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60 g of protein is a myth. Andrew Weil says most people can be healthy on 17g. Too many weightlifters out there who have health issues and take in 300 g a day.
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I understand that the average person can only utilize about 3 ounces or 90 grams of protein daily. Anything above that actually becomes "toxic waste" to the body as it breaks down, forming ammonia. Endurance athletes require maybe a half ounce more that the average person.
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Jfh, there are some things my belief just wont let me do, and hypnosis is one of them.
I would be willing to bet that I have a parasite problem. I know I have a toenail fungus, and always thought that I probably have candida although its never been confirmed.... thanks for the site, I will check it out... I do have a parasite cleanser that I started using once and got sidetrack..its one of those that you have to do for fourteen days. Wonder how that would work on an empty stomach... Probably the best time to do it. thanks for the info

Saved, thats great news for me. the protein powder I got has only 15 grams of protein in it, I was dreading the idea of doing two shakes. So I can stick with one...fantastic! I will do some more reading, thank you
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Jfh, there are some things my belief just wont let me do, and hypnosis is one of them.
I would be willing to bet that I have a parasite problem. I know I have a toenail fungus, and always thought that I probably have candida although its never been confirmed.... thanks for the site, I will check it out... I do have a parasite cleanser that I started using once and got sidetrack..its one of those that you have to do for fourteen days. Wonder how that would work on an empty stomach... Probably the best time to do it. thanks for the info

Saved, thats great news for me. the protein powder I got has only 15 grams of protein in it, I was dreading the idea of doing two shakes. So I can stick with one...fantastic! I will do some more reading, thank you
Definitely take probiotics. Also, this may help (https://www.calibex.com/Solaray-Yeast...C0DA004C04A689).
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Jfh, there are some things my belief just wont let me do, and hypnosis is one of them.u
Well then, how about positive affirmations? My best friend is a retired psychologist. He has published 2 books now. I was an editor of his second book. The first one, The 15 Minute Miracle, dealt with positive affirmations. They absolutely work for so many people. It reconditions the mind in a positive direction. They can be used for many situations in your life. I'm not allowed to copy his work, but here are samples of the same thing.

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When you begin to use affirmations for weight loss you may notice resistance coming up for you in a matter of days. This is to be expected. Most people give up at this time. This resistance is the analytical, critical side of your brain saying things like, "This is dumb." "This will never work." Or "You�ll never lose this weight, etc." This is also the voice of the saboteur inside of you. This is the part of you that does not want to change. It has a vested interest in keeping you fat.
When this resistance comes up use one of the following affirmations:
  • I am willing to change.
  • I can do this.
  • I have the power to change my life.
  • Yes, I can!
Repeat these 100 - 200 times a day until you feel less resistance. Remember, your weight has been serving you in some way. It has been filling a void or need in your life. Along with doing affirmations and visualizations, you must find out what that void or need is and find a healthier, positive way of filling it. If you do not, you will quickly lapse back into your old destructive behaviors. This is one of the main reasons why diets fail.

Affirmations are powerful to use when you are going into situations that cause you to overeat. If you�re at a restaurant or party where you are tempted by the food you can repeatedly say one of the following affirmations:
  • I eat only what I need.
  • I choose to eat healthy foods.
  • I choose to stay on track.
  • I am committed to my goals.
  • I effortlessly stay on track.
  • I eat foods that support my new weight.
  • I eat like a thin person.
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Water fasting is dangerous IMHO... perhaps once upon a time it was OK. Just what are you relying on when you water fast to detox all the toxic chemicals that we are exposed to daily?

Juice fast is the way to do for its detoxing benefits and nourishment to the liver.

Also fasting is known to slow down the metabolic pathways so when you do start to eat the weight can come right back on. You are not hungry because you have turned off your metabolism.

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Arrow, I did the water fasting for ten days... Since then I have been drinking homemade turkey broth, and Ive been juicing fruits and veggies. Not too much fruit tho... I did pomegrante one day, and then Ive been doing oranges and lemons.
I am also taking a vitamin and mineral supplement, a bcomplex supplement, magnesium, potassium, rutin, and ??? something else, I dont remember off the top of my head.... I have more energy then I know what to do with... Yesterday I was up moving, doing some type of work, from 7 am until 9thirty pm... Not only did I do all I needed to for my foster daughter, and the goats, but, i cleaned my house, did two loads of clothes, shredded a bunch of paper, cleaned out my addition that got turned into a junk room,,washed my daughter in laws dishes, cleaned out some of her cabinets (she still hasnt noticed!!) and then put everybody to bed.. The only reason I didnt do as much today, is because when that dern horse kicked me, I apparently screwed up my leg worse then I thought, and it throbbed all night, and most of today. Today, I stayed busy all day again tho....playing alot of catch up with chores I have been just constantly putting off for another day (granted most of the day was sitting) But I did do a slow walk on the tredmill for about twenty mins...didnt want to overdo ... I have accomplished more in these 19 days, then I probably have in a year... Metabolism or not, something is keeping me moving, and i dont plan on stopping the trend for awhile... Yes I do plan on going to talk to my doctor~~ maybe not right away, but really soon... I promised my son, I would tell her by the first of January, if I am still going.. At some point, I plan on adding a protein shake, and raw goats milk. And then if I can figure out how to make cream soups with veggies and goats milk will be doing that.. I dont plan on not eating forever, just plan on going really really slow with adding food back in. I feel good, I feel more alert, more energetic, more alive then I have in a really really long time... and while scientifically my metabolism supposedly shut down when I stopped eating, Im not seeing proof of that, actually just the opposite.
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Arrow, so I reread what I wrote last night, this morning, and am hoping that I didnt come off as sounding rude... wasnt my intent, just trying to get it all in without rambling on too much... please forgive me if I did sound rude...wasnt meant to be...

On a side note, its interesting how different things taste and smell now.. When I tried to juice the comfrey, it tasted so nasty, that I had to add maple syrup to it )the pure grade a stuff) So yesterday I made more comfrey juice, and added the same amount of maple syrup as last time...boy was it super sweet, almost too sweet... I am not drinking coffee on a regular basis, but did have some last sunday morning, never realized how bitter coffee really was, I got maybe 1/4 cup of it down. Hmmm so maybe a difference in the coffee brands, I just got me a cup this morning, and Im not tasting the bitterness (sorry just a thought as I took a drink of the cup my dil made for me). My dil insist on burning those scentsy candles... boy they stink worse then what I thought they did previously..and now I am smelling more random smells in my house then what I ever did before... definitly more cleaning this week~!!!!!!

As a side note.. I weighed in at the hospital maybe a month before I started this fast. Now granted I have been trying to cut back and have been moving more, but no actual exercise... as of this morning, I have lost 45 pounds, at least half of that has been from the fast, but I am not sure how much more. And while yes, the whole idea is for me to get the weight off, I am oddly ok with the idea that it isnt more. Do I have a time frame for this?? no not really...I would like to stay with this thru the holidays, because there is that possibility of me pigging out during the holidays and gaining it all back plus more. If Im not eating, I will be less tempted, because I know that now if I just start pigging out, without breaking the fast properly, it could cause me serious damage (and if I am wrong, dont tell me any different, until after the holidays, let me keep thinking that!!!) I turned down doing a birthday cake for a close friend of mine, and I wont be doing any holiday baking... if the family gets upset, Im sorry, they will get over it... Im not going to tempt myself....

So Arrow, I need to detox, surely, I do, What juices would be best for detox... cilantro??? others?? What other juices will be best for me in this situation???

Thanks for the help, I will keep you all posted.
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Well, if you do cilantro be sure to take some chlorella with it so the metals is helps to eliminate get taken out properly... at least 500mg twice a day.

Celery, beet, carrot, spinach, turnip etc can all be juiced and each has its healing benefits. I bet you could get a good juicing book from the Library. The strong veggies like cabbage and beet should only be done in small amounts, an ounce or two, mixed with carrot. A carrot juice should not be more than 6 ounces, then add the two or three ounces of other juice.

If you really want to do your self a favor go to Jama juice and get some wheat grass juice and take an ounce daily... if not daily at least a couple of times a week. Use it all within 24 hours. Call them and tell them you want it fresh and will be down to pick it up soon. Some people cant tolerate a full ounce at one time. Start with just taking a half ounce and see how it goes. Its a great detoxifier.

Almost all people who fast get a lot of energy. So what you are experiencing is not unusual. My concern for you is after the fast is over. You will have to be very careful if you don't want to regain weight. Fasting breaks down muscle mass. Muscle mass burns the most calories. I suggest that when you start to return to a more regular diet that you start working with weights and do high protein. Its the only thing I can think of to get your metabolism kicking into gear. You must rebuild the muscle mass that you lost and walking will not do it, but weight lifting will.. and it doesn't have to be heavy weights. for you Start with just a couple of pounds, like two or three, and probably dont go over 5 or 10 pounds. We dont want you to hurt yourself which will end up really setting you back.. Rather than heavy weights do more repetitions.

I was not offended. I have had your enthusiasm before from fasting. You feel like you could conquer the world, but there is a downside I am trying to warn you about and I have seen it many times. Remember I use to counsel people in fasting a long time ago. The slowing of the metabolic system doesn't happen to every one but it certainly happened to me.. and it could happen to you too. You will find that all those carbs may do you more damage than they did previously
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