The debate is that vitamin C can turn elemental iodine into potassium iodide
Not without potassium. Non aqueous KI saturates somewhere around 75% iodine. If you add more iodine, the powder turns orange, indicating that it is saturated.
Additionally, with any ionic compound, your body has no problem employing both constituents, so do not worry if you don't have access to iodine; iodide or iodate function just fine.
Remember; "..........vitamin C functions both as an oxidant and an anti-oxidant......." Dr Brownstein
Additionally, with any ionic compound, your body has no problem employing both constituents, so do not worry if you don't have access to iodine; iodide or iodate function just fine.
Not according to the Iodine Group. There is a difference between iodine and iodide in what the body needs.
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Iodine is considered important for proper breast structure and health. The specific form of molecular iodine (I2) (versus iodide, I-) is considered to be essential for a healthy breast. https://iodine4health.com/body/body.htm
And this is why the Lugol's formula is best for health therapy. It contains iodine. It also contains iodide bound to potassium.
I've been trying to find which body parts store which form. But I have over 50 bookmarks and studies. It will take some time. I do know that the thyroid can convert iodine to iodide and only needs a minute amount to do that. But it needs iodine.
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Additionally, with any ionic compound, your body has no problem employing both constituents, so do not worry if you don't have access to iodine; iodide or iodate function just fine.
I'm really not trying to diss your arguments Goat. I agree that iodide is ok in all body parts. Many of these "parts" can control enzymes that can help convert iodine to the ion iodide or even fro iodide to iodine, but not in cases where there is compromise to the immune system. I'm just disgusted that I have gotten so disorganized in my info. I have piles of info on iodine in pdf documents that are not easy to glean. There is an iodine thread here on natmedtalk too.
Here some interesting info.
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While major portion of iodine is concentrated in the thyroid gland, the non hormonal iodine is found in a variety of body tissues including mammary glands, eye, gastric mucosa, cervix and salivary glands (7). With the exception of mammary tissue the function of iodine in these tissues is still not clear (8). Accumulation of iodine in the breast plays an important role during breast feeding in fetal and neonatal development; however such iodine has also proven to have antioxidant function. In the presence of hydrogen peroxide and peroxidase, iodide acts as an electron donor, thereby decreasing damage by free oxygen radicals (9,10). On the contrary, breasts with inadequate iodine stores are prone to get damaged by accumulating high levels of malondialdehyde, a product of lipid peroxidation (11). Much alike ascorbic acid, iodine concentrations as low as 15 micromole, can have significant antioxidant effects (12). This antioxidant effect of iodine could explain the therapeutic effects of seaweed baths or iodine rich solutions that were historically used to treat many diseases (12).
I'm really not trying to diss your arguments Goat. I agree that iodide is ok in all body parts. Many of these "parts" can control enzymes that can help convert iodine to the ion iodide or even fro iodide to iodine, but not in cases where there is compromise to the immune system. I'm just disgusted that I have gotten so disorganized in my info. I have piles of info on iodine in pdf documents that are not easy to glean. There is an iodine thread here on natmedtalk too.
No worries, Jim. I don't post for my ego, I post because hopefully a small percentage will read, investigate, try, or prove erroneous what I thought was fact. I didn't know about the immune compromise conundrum because I'm not battling one, so thanks for pointing that out.
Could you help me understand how vitamin C makes iodide? I'm a little confused.
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Take ascorbic acid away from iodine of any formula. Basic chemistry 101 college classes prove the ascorbic acid will transform iodine into iodide. Both are good for you. Iodide is stored in the prostate and some other organs and tissue. The thyroid needs iodine, not iodide. So, in a health protocol, where you specifically need iodine to remain as iodine, keep it away from ascorbic acid. I would also recommend to keep it away from any antioxidant.
It would seem that we all have potassium in our systems, so any elemental iodine would 'dance' with potasium on it's way through our body. IIRC, all ions 'float' around. Furthermore, the elemental iodine would not form an aqeous solution without the potasium from the KI, which is why I'm also confused about an illness interfering with this ionic exchange.
The ascorbic acid is oxidised to dehydroascorbic acid, while the iodine is reduced to iodide ions.
As I recall, the solution becomes as transparent as water, colorless. Could be used on areas of the skin where you don't want purple to show to the public. Right? Might even be more stable than iodine. Iodide is more stable.
It's called Redox Titration. Due to this reaction, the iodine formed is immediately reduced to iodide as long as there is any ascorbic acid present. https://www.outreach.canterbury.ac.nz...C_iodine.shtml
The ascorbic acid is oxidised to dehydroascorbic acid, while the iodine is reduced to iodide ions.
As I recall, the solution becomes as transparent as water, colorless. Could be used on areas of the skin where you don't want purple to show to the public. Right? Might even be more stable than iodine. Iodide is more stable.
Ahhhh, ok, thanks!
I needed the redox refresher. Seems I was concentrating on one of the reactions and not the pair in chemistry.
I'm gonna drag my ascorbic acid powder out a little later and do this.
Hope you continue researching this jfh, especially which body part stores which form.
This is preliminary (no substantiating document).
Thyroid needs 3% prefers iodide (50mg iodide)(hence the high doses for radiation exposure) Skin needs 20% and prefers iodide Salivary Glands prefer iodide Muscles (650mg) and fat needs(700mg iodine) 70% Breast tissue needs 3-5 mg / day minimum and prefers iodine Prostate prefers iodine Stomach prefers iodine Lungs prefer iodide
Entire body needs 1500 mg 2gm total
I was one of the bigger contributors to an iodine forum on curezone and started the iodine support forum, when the iodine supplementation forum became "wild" and unfriendly. However that forum has millions of views - extremely popular. I gave up on the splinter forum, when my 5 months of iodine use of more than 150mg per day was not helping an infection nor helping dysbiosis. But neither did 9 months of MMS. See? I don't give up easily.
There are 3 top doctors who used the Lugol's formula in their clinical trials, mostly for fibrocyctic breast disease. Drs Brownstein, Flechas, and Abraham. They used the Lugol's formula, because of the proper combination of iodine and potassium iodide. They formulated a tablet, called Iodoral, because it is more scientific to use exact dosage for clinical trials. Droppers would not be exacting. One never really knows how much plus or minus when dropping, such as verticle or horizontal application.
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