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So I went to a class on essentail oils last week.. turns out to be doTERRA oils and I specifically went due to the vision improvement of my friend's mom had who thinks that clove oil may be having a positive effect... its a multi level marketing company of which a friend of mine is a member.

There were about 30 people there from our small small community and they were purchasing hundreds of dollars of oils!

I was quite surprised and most of the people there looked ghastly.. I could see all their chronic diseases and a few of them I knew personally and I knew what their conditions were...

So the woman giving the presentation, a beautiful blonde, of course, said she had 5 kids and they use two bottles of "On Guard" every month... what I really wanted to ask her is why her kids need so much On Guard.. why do they keep getting sick?....two bottles of On Guard = $70 per month.
https://www.trydoterra.com/essential-oil-blends/page/3

Although I think that essential oils have their place these people would be better off putting their hundreds of dollars into real live food and vitamin D3 and vitamin C. I did not purchase anything but was given a sample of clove oil.

They did have a product I was interested in.. it was a combo of essential oils they think will benefit the eyes. It comes in a bottle with a roller on it kind of like a deodorant, but quite small. The oil is rolled on around the eyes daily.
Its price was $96... hmmm..

Then they went on to say how superior their oils were and that competitors had fillers added and crappy oils as carriers.

I went home and looked at the oils that I do have, including oregano, melaluca, Lavendar, orange and there were no fillers or carrier oils... they smelled just as good to me ... and they were a fraction of the price.

so thats my doTERRA review... judge for yourself.

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Interesting assessment of doTerra and your neighbors? Normally I do not respond to things like this but here goes anyway.

I actually do have five girls. Why you would choose to question that I can only assume is a complement. Thank you! Also "beauty" is a relative term but thank you for that compliment as well.

Thank you also for your question about On Guard. I wish you would have asked that question at the event as I would have been happy to answer. Firstly I Love the smell of On Guard! that is why I diffuse it. It has a citrus smell with cinnamon. I especially love it around this time of year. Secondly I diffuse it because of the proven properties it has of stopping viruses before thy start. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...8/?tool=pubmed Do my kids "need" that much On Guard? No. but they love the smell too. As it is non-toxic and actually healthy as well as a mood elevator and I diffuse it often.

The quality of DoTerra is an objective fact. DoTerra is the ONLY company that uses both the mass spectrometer AND the Gas chromatography tests on EVERY batch of oils using a third party (objective) lab for every batch. Guaranteed to have NO weeds, pesticides, fillers or man made synthetics.

That is why 5 star hotels like the MGM and the Bellagio use ONLY doTerra oils (you are welcome to call their spas and ask what oils they use).

As far as a "small town" I am from a small town. Born and raised. About the same size as your little town. Your town is full of people that I have grown to love very much and do not consider any of them "ghastly." I am sorry you somehow left with a negative impression. That has rarely happened at any of my events. You are always welcome to ask me questions. I also believe in health and nutrition as the very first line of defense. But the oils, as you stated yourself, have a place. I suspect we would agree on things more than we disagree. Also doTerra has a wonderful line of whole food supplments that are incredible. No other supplement compares.
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I did not question that you had five children. I stated that you stated that you said you had five children.

Regardless of how good you may think doterra is I do not see it as an answer for health maintence. The cost of the oils I thought was extreme and multi level marketing certainly contributes to that situation. Do you realize that the average income for the area is under 25,000 a year? Now please consider just how many bottles of OnGuard you would be purchasing if you made under 25,000 a year.

So you like the smell of OnGuard and therefore difuse $70 worth of the stuff every month, as well as for the benefit of cleaning the air of virus/pathogen to protect your family. I will maintain that a healthy family will not need that protection unless perhaps there is a biological warefare going on. A healthy child will not succumb to every virus that passes by. But on the other hand, a child needs a degree of exposure to virus to train their immune system. It is normal for children to catch things.. once they have overcome a virus their immune system is stronger and more skilled for protecting them into the future.

I would be working to find them a way to keep from needing On Guard at all... period.
If OnGuard kills the virus in the air before it invades them their immune system may come to lack the training it needs.


Until doTERRA can provide studies that prove that these oils permanently affect the immune response capabilities of the body for the better I just cant take much interest in them. A system that is strong needs no medicine and can fight off things through its own defences. Although granted they may be of help to people with immuno comprimised systems and chronic disease... and there are certainly a few of them around, perhaps including some of your own children who get repeatedly sick without On Guard?

Im sure you have developed a rapore with folks who come to your meetings. How can one not? They are good people. And most of them in that particular group looked quite unhealthy. I did not say that they were ghastly.. I said they appeared so, implying in their health status.... if you know how to read physiology you would clearly see it... there were a lot of health challenges in that room. Few in that group appeared vital and healthy.. and I was familiar with the chronic condiitons of a number of people there.. doTERRA is a distraction for them to finding what they really need to restore balance.

I suggest that you go to the local food store someday and just watch what people of this geographic area in general, purchase to feed their family. I do this frequently as I shop right along their side. doTERRA will not bring to them the health that they seek. It is merely a bandaid.

Yes, I did looked at your whole food supplements. At $70 a month for one person they are out of the question for me. This is a product for the wealthy. Please understand that most people in the region do not even have health insurance because they cannot afford the two to three hundred dollars to carry even major catastrophic coverage.

I was aware that monthly supplies of the vitamin supplement were being shared amongst family members. Thats a 50% decrease from of the dosage from company recommendations. They were doing this because of the cost.

I would be interesed to know the serum vitamin D3 levels for someone who has been on them for 2 months... Why don't you challenge one of your customers who is starting to take that whole foods supplement to do a before and after vitamin D3 level. I certainly would be interested to know. Please find someone over the age of 50 to do this test. That should be about median for the age represented in the group. When you have results please do come back and talk to me about it.

Here is a link to a home test that is affordable. https://www.vitamindcouncil.org/about...n-d-deficient/

Please be aware that most naturopaths recommend a vitamin D3 level beteen 70 and 90 now if there is chronic disease already present


You can post that before and after lab result here in its original document form. Just black out the name of the particpant.
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If you view the study that I linked you will find that the On Guard doesn't actually "eliminate" the virus directly. What it does is slow the viruses ability to replicate, which in turn allows your own body to fight the virus more effectively. In fact all of the doterra oils work to enhance your own bodies abilities to repair and regenerate.

As far as cost most of the folks in your town have made back most of their initial investment by sharing this incredible product with others. I am not "rich" but i have also NEVER paid for any of my product. Since the day I started using doTerra the commissions I have made have paid for my product. Additionally the money I have saved from not purchasing over the counter medications and no doctor visits has more than offset my cost for the oils, supplements and skin care.
The cost of the product has nothing to do with the marketing. In fact if this were on health store shelves it would still cost the same (actually maybe more because health food stores usually mark everything up 200-300%). I have found, for example, if you were going to try and replace the doterra supplements with supplements in a health food store it would cost you nearly 250.00 per month! The doterra supplements are only 74.50 per month. Big savings for those that are already purchasing supplements from a health food store.
The higher cost of doterra than SOME oils (they are actually more affordable than many oils) is due to their quality. All the doTerra oils are shipped from there endogenous environment. This means they contain all of the nutrients from where they are naturally grown. Also the extra testing to insure quality and no synthetics in every batch increases some cost. But I would rather buy a 20.00 bottle of lavendar essential oils with no weeds, pesticides, contaminates or synthetics that is safe to ingest than a 10.00 bottle of lavendar from the health food store which may contain some of those things, has a warning that says "do not ingest" and probably will cause you to break out.

But that is ok. To each their own and I wish you the best in your quest for improved health. Health is a passion of mine!
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I was quite surprised and most of the people there looked ghastly.. I could see all their chronic diseases and a few of them I knew personally and I knew what their conditions were...
(Just as an aside to this topic, you could tell which chronic disease they had? I'm just curious because I look sick and I've noticed that nurses in particular will stare and stare at me. That would be really cool if you can tell what disease they had!)

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Although I think that essential oils have their place these people would be better off putting their hundreds of dollars into real live food and vitamin D3 and vitamin C. I did not purchase anything but was given a sample of clove oil.


I like essential oils and I agree with you about it being a supplemental therapy in the way they are used in the U.S., especially considering how expensive they are, and the multi level thing. I belonged to Young Living, I think their quality is excellent and the founder seemed pretty good, just to get their product but you had to spend a certain amount every month and I couldn't do that so they dropped me.

However...what's interesting is the French school of thought on aromatherapy which is not what is practiced in the U.S. I read Dr. Penoel's book, he's an MD who's been working in the field of aromatic medicine since 1977. He's had some good success using aromatics as medicine.

He explains the different schools and how his therapies work:


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In the world of aromatherapy, there are 3 schools of thought. The first is the British school, which teaches the dilution of essential oils, and its application -often through massage - for relaxation and balancing. The majority of Australian aromatherapists are trained in the British system. Secondly there is the German school, which relies on the aroma of the oils, rather than direct application. And thirdly, there is the French school, which treats essential oils as a valid form of medicine, to be used as in any other medical protocol - internally, by injection, topically (undiluted), rectally, and vaginally. As Dr Penoel said, "In my country, we've given millions and millions of clinical treatments with essential oils." It is from this medical application of essential oils that the term "Aromatic Medicine" was derived.

Dr Penoel described the differences between the 3 schools very humorously, when he said: "The German system of aromatherapy (smell) is comparable to platonic love. You cannot make babies with platonic love. The English system is like flirting. You still cannot make babies. The French system of aromatherapy is like "The Full Monty", and it will make babies!"

In France, Doctors trained in aromatic medicine will often prescribe essential oils in preference to antibiotics. But first, they will conduct an "aromatogram". This is a simple test involving taking a sample (e.g.. a swab) of a patient's diseased area. This swab is sent away to a laboratory, and tested with a wide variety of essential oils and allopathic drugs, to see which is the most effective against the specific disease or condition.

There are many cases where essential oils are more effective than antibiotics. However, in the case where an antibiotic proves more effective, the doctor still needs to weigh up the potential side-effects of the antibiotic (such as its long-term effects on gut flora), before deciding which treatment should be undertaken.

If essential oils are the chosen treatment, the doctor will supply the patient with essential oils, and instructions on where and how to use them, and in what proportions to mix them up. This means that patients are more involved in preparing their own mixtures and remedies than in traditional allopathic medicine.

It was fascinating to hear Dr Penoel's strategy for fighting an infection using essential oils. He begins with a mix of oils where the "stronger" oils are in higher concentration. The "stronger" oils are those with higher percentages of phenols (such as Oregano). These phenols are very aggressive against many infections (viral and bacterial). However, because of the potential irritation that the phenols can pose to the stomach and intestines, after a week's use, Dr. P�no�l then "ramps down" the proportion of oils containing phenols, and increases the proportion of other less-irritating oils.

He explained that he may start with a mix of 70% Oregano and 30% Melaleuca alternifolia (Tea Tree oil), and after a week move to 30% Oregano and 70% Melaleuca alternifolia (and continue on this mix for another couple of weeks). In his use of essential oils internally, Dr. P�no�l always includes a vegetable oil along with the essential oil in a gel cap, because the vegetable oil helps to transport the essential oil into the intestinal tract.

Another example given by Dr Penoel was how he works with tonsillitis, using the molecule Terpinen-4-ol, which is present at about 40% concentration in Melaleuca alternifolia. Dr. P�no�l demonstrated how he puts a tiny bit of high-quality, unadulterated Tea Tree oil on his hand (on a point between the thumb and 2nd finger on top of hand, which is a special acupuncture point), and then he licks the oil off.

"I now have millions of billions of molecules of terpenen-4-ol which have been blended in my saliva. I bring my saliva back to my tonsils......[and I have] changed the breeding ground of the medium which exists in my throat at this infectious stage. You have changed the pH of your saliva." He went on to explain that this makes the saliva more acidic, which inhibits the growth of the infection.

Dr. P�no�l then described how he will swallow the Tea tree oil at this point, so that it will reach his stomach, small and large intestine to become an "aromatic healing saliva". He stated that in addition to this indirect action, the Tea tree oil also has a direct action because "the terpenen-4-ol in the Tea Tree oil also attacks the bacteria itself. It penetrates through the cell wall and membrane, into the cell wall, and destroys the bacteria."
One of the most interesting things I learned from Dr Penoel's seminar was about frequency of application. He shared that when one of his patients is fighting an infection, he instructs them to take a smaller amount of essential oil more often, so that the molecules are consistently in their blood stream. For example, in a simple case of tonsillitis he instructs his patients to lick the Tea Tree oil from their hand every minute for 5 minutes, then every 5 minutes for 15 minutes.
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