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Old 10-03-2010, 01:31 PM
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Ah, at last I've finally gotten on track with my ozone treatments, and had to go through a trial and "error" lessons to realize that my ozone machine, which put at a max. of 120 ug/ml was too hard to regulate to the proper ug [microgram] rate for the 1/2 lpm oxygen flow. I ended up doing my first treatment at an ug rate higher than 90 ug. because surely my red cells were being crimped, and I ended up with my vien getting sore, and a little hard afterwords...[sure sign of crimping of cells]. But that heals up over a few days....
So since I was running a "Duel" corona discharge ozone machine, I took it apart and wired in my own on/off switch on the face plate, so now I can run it as a single unit or a duel unit. As a Single unit it only puts out a max. of 60 ug. @ a 1/4 flow rate, which in within the "Safe" range area for ozone treatments.

90 ug. or higher = Crimping of Red Blood Cells and Harding of vein.
70 ug. = The high red line max. for ozone use.
40 to 50 ug. = Optimum effects of IV ozone treatments.

*The half life of ozone is 20 to 30 min. depending on 03 volume verses saline vol.
The Rectal Catheter ozone therapy is second to IV's, less effective of course, as there is much less 03 per volume that is being used in the therapy. It takes between 1 to 2 hours to do a saturation of 400 to 500 ml. of 03/Saline treatment, verses the 1 1/2 min. protocol of 03 to be held for a 20 min. saturation. [Though if IV's are too difficult or expensive to do, then I believe the second choice would be the rectal method, and doing the rectal method is also good to work as "fill-ins" when doing the IV protocol of twice a week.. [just my opinion]

There is a factor to consider here too, dealing with the "Time" issue of half life verses the 03 ug./ml mix. That at a 60 drops per min. [which depending on the vein used, it might only be a 30 drip per min.] and at 30 drip per min. it takes approx. 7 to 10 min. for it to slowly go through the 60in. to 72in. long Administration line to the IV site. so there is some lose in the ug./ml rate factoring this in... Over all, I'd say a 50 ug./ml rate would be a good compensation for these factors.
Lesson 3 is the injections, I have a good eye but ended up poking myself 7 times before I hit a vein right, and then it blew shortly after I started the IV drip. So I got a close friend of my who is a retired nurse, and she comes to hook me up when needed.

It doesn't hurt, in case some one is wondering, it's not like sticking yourself with a sewing needle...that would hurt...but the IV needles are razor sharp and tapered and you hardly feel it slipping into the vein. If it misses the vein or goes along side of the vein it hurts some because the veins are surrounded by nerves, but when the needle slips inside of the vein, there is no pain at all. So one can tell by the feeling of it, if the needle is in the vein or not...

It's a good idea to double check the oxygen output flow rate, as not all gauges are accurate..
Also, if one is using the PSI gauge instead of the LPM gauge, it can also be manually tested so that you'll know exactly what the PSI rate is for 1/2 LPM. without even having to have a LPM gauge.. [Of course an accurate LPM gauge is recommended, but it's not absolutely manditory in my opinion.] I use both plumbed into my regulator.

The Manual method of checking your accurate 1/2 LPM oxygen flow rate, is to "Note" that 1/2 Liter is the same as .528 U.S. quart volume. So taking a one quart sandwich baggie, and choking off approx. 1/2 of it, with your 02 line slipped inside of the bag, you can then adjust your regulator to fill that 1/2 quart baggy in ONE minute.
It might take a couple try's, to get the right adjustment on your tanks regulator, but using the second hand on a watch, you'll can get it set right so that it takes one min. to fill the 1/2 quart bag. That is pretty accurate for making note if your regulator is reading correctly or not for the right oxygen flow rate to the ozone machine.

Another lesson that I've learned, is if I'm going to take an ozone treatment two or three days in a row, I don't have to "poke" myself everyday, by using the IV catheters with a plastic 24 gauge needle instead of the Butterfly one use needles.

From my glass tube bubblier, which I hang as high on the wall as possible, with the long Administration set, [60 drops per min. drip], I take the needle off of a syringe and put that on the end of the Administration set, and then plug that into the Injection site Clave Connector, which has a L-lock that hooks to the IV catheter... Actually a 3 piece hook up for the IV Catheters. Where as the hookup for the Butterfly is just a 2 piece. [Butterfly and Administration Set]
When I am done with the ozone treatment, I just withdraw the syringe needle from the Clave, and wrap a wide Ace band wrap around it until the next morning...
I don't need the nurse to hook me back up again, I simply use a Syringe to inject a little saline into the Clave to flush the injection site from any blockages, and do the same steps to hook the Administration set back up again for another treatment of ozone.
This is as easy as plugging a lamp to a wall plug, as the IV Catheter is already in and taped off secure by the nurse from the day before. :-}

I've read some 03 protocols where treatments were done twice a day for the first 5 days to really hammer down the viral loads......Some other protocols are less aggressive and called for 2 treatments per week, and yet other protocols called for every other day, doing antioxidants with strong C & E vitamins on off days.
I get the opinion from what I read that all protocols are effective, doing the same job over time....as even an ozone treatment at a very low 03 concentration of 30 ug.ml or less has been proven to kill pathogens/viruses, even though 45-50 is more ideal treatment for peak immune stimulation.

I use about 300 ml. of 03/ozone for ea. treatment when doing IV's back to back with a Catheter... and use about 500 ml. of 03/saline when doing IV's ever 3rd or 4th day.
Of course I am taking plenty of Antioxidants on days that I'm not doing an 03 treatment too.

*I'm a firm believer in what Mr.Oxygen has to say about ozone treatments, that one should "FLOOD THE BODY WITH OXYGEN" when fighting a major illness. So I've been thinking about getting myself a bicycle and getting the ole' heart pumping every day too...

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Sounds like you figured some things out. Glad it is working.

You may want to get a stationary bike and wear an 02 cannula set at 6lpm while you do exercise. this is called EWOK therapy, quite good for you. Search it
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That sounds like a great idea! Thanks! The ozone IV's are doing great, getting about 3 a week...feeling the runner's high more and more with ea. treatment...wish I would have known about this a year ago!
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Old 10-20-2010, 06:49 PM
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Arrowwind09 Hiya,
Just scrolling through O3 posts and noticed we seem to have the same O3 generator. I couldn't be more pleased with my purchase. Living in Australia I also paid a hefty shipping/customs fee. Still, the quality and customer service surpasses anything that I can get here on my shores.
The Doc who is overseeing my protocols warned me about not to go over 70ish gamma despite the temptation to crank it up to 1/32 setting 10.
I am oxygenating to try and kill off HSV2.
O3 Water 500 ml - 1/32 setting 3 (15 min)
Olive oil 5 ml - 1/32 setting 3 (60 min)
Cupping - 1/32 setting 3 (30 min)
Working up to rectal insufflation...
Any comments to my settings or general advice as to home protocols to assist in my virus eradication from your experience would be muchly appreciated...
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Old 10-21-2010, 05:34 AM
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Why are you "working up" to rectal insufflations?
Just go for it.
But start with a low ppm like about 35 or so for the first
3 treatments or so, then go up to 45. 65 is absolute max to be safely tolerated
but if you are very toxic it could create too big a herx.
Stay at a time duration of treatment with a ppm that maintains comfort.
Making herx is possible for most anyone but should be avoided or kept minimal
as it is a sign that your detox capabilites are strained.

I recommend detox homeoapthic remedies like Galiumheel and Lymphomyosot daily to
stimulate the detox pathways to work better. You can get them at www.iherb.com
Herx can cause skin rases, pimples, nausea headaches. For virus you could probably benefit from engystol, tonsilla compostum and mexereum-homaccord found at the same site. take daily. Purchase in liquid oral form if they have it. each bottle can be cut in half with distilled water and a touch of everclear to stretch it. It will work just the same. Use new dropper bottles. Keep old bottles to refill for each specific medicine. This saves lots of money. If you order use coupon code BAR967 and you will get $5 your first purchase.


Treatments up to 30 minutes as tolerated is generally recommended but less if herxs are strong. Eventually you will get past them

Due to spastic colon I cannot do enemas first...
But after the daily BM insufflation works well regardless of
recommendations by some therapists. But if you can tolerate
ememas it probably would be even better to do them.

Mostly I do vaginal insufflation and up to 2 to 3 hours at a time.
Once you get past your initial herx many people can tolerate a lot of ozone
but you don't want it too strong as oxidizing damage can occur. Longer at lower dosage is better.

Keep track of the dosage you use as well as time length of treatment in
a journal so you can be sure to know exactly what you did and what might have caused an ill effect if one should occur. Then you can adjust accordingly.

My biggest error is in forgetting to turn the oxygen tank off when I'm done and finding I lost all my oxygen two days later. Putting a sign on the tank that says close with an arrow indicating which way to turn the valve helps.
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Arrowwind09 thankyou for your very informative reply,
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Old 10-28-2010, 09:15 AM
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Here's an update with my using 03 ~

Something that I've noticed is the different protocol's that are recommended by different doctors, i.e. some recommends 48 ug/ml as being the ideal, others give the 60 ug/ml as ideal potency.
I've found the oxyfiles to be a good source of research info. with on ozone.
https://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer/Mirror-H2O2.html

https://www.oxygentherapyexperts.com/oxy00031.html

https://www.satori-5.co.uk/downloads/dlf_022.doc

https://www.oxygentherapyexperts.com/oxy00025.html

I'm still doing the 03 saline method 3 times a wk, and doing MMS on other days too, and just heard back about my lab test results from a week ago, "everything" is "Too Normal"..according to what the nurse said to me over the phone.

I've fine tuned my treatments with using a setting of 1/12 for flow rate, with a setting of 10 for the first 300ml. of saline, then I reduce the 03 setting to 7 or 8 for the remaining 100ml. saline drip.
I'd guess-ta-mate that I'm doing very near a 50ug/ml.doses.
Other observations that I've found, is that a 22ga. IV catheter works much better for vein confirmation and flow, than the 24ga. regular butterfly sets.

It's been a trial and error through the first few times, and I ended up with a couple veins that got hard and stayed sore for quit a while, from over doing the ug/ml. dosage, but those very slowly returned to normal after a few wks. [so much for what it's like to let the 03 output get above the 70ug.ml.]
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Very informative for all those that are contemplating o3 therapy, thanks for sharing, hobo.
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Still doing some fine tuning with my treatments, and discovering that at the max. output of 60 ug. at the 10 setting, using the flow rate of 1/12 gets a far better saturation within the 200 to 250 ml. in the glass bubblier, [less of a saturation when the 500ml bubblier is full of saline]

I'm using the Synergy Systems medical grade ozone production unit, as a "single" cold corona discharge machine.

So I've worked it out whereas I'll start my IV's with 300ml. and when it gets down to only about 50ml left, I'll slow the drip way down and refill another 250 ml. in the bubblier for a more effective treatment..
Of course after I slow the IV drip way down... [just enough to keep the IV from clotting], I wait about 20 min. to bring the added saline up to being fully saturated levels, before opening up the drip line fully again.

This method can be repeated 2 or 3 times all within the same treatment, and it does not hurt to do a 750 ml. total treatment... though I usually stick with a 500ml. dose.
I've also stopped taking MMS in between my 03 treatments. The body needs to balance itself with antioxidants in between taking oxidation protocols.

Don't get me wrong~MMS is great for the protocols which Jim gives, but NOT for doing 7 or 8 drop dose 8 to 10 hr. per day like I was doing ~ continually for a few months..
After a 6wk. or maybe even an 8 wk. course, in my opinion, it needs to be stopped for a wk. to 10 days to rebuild the body with antioxidants, nutrition and immune builders. least one find anemia setting in with platelet counts suffering.

Comparing the two different treatments, [MMS & Ozone] I've seen the same results in blood test coming back perfectly normal.. However, since the HCV disease is nested in the liver, it is difficult to reach the eggs etc. within it's nesting grounds.. in other words, hammering the pathogens down in the blood circulation is easier than killing off the pathogens that are hiding... Still working at it though..

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Great results for you! I agree. Getting it all out of the liver may take some time.

I assume that you have looked into IV vitamin C therapy? Now they have some oral products that produce IV levels of vitamin C without diarrhea.. You may want to consider this on your ozone off days... They say that there is not a virus that Vitamin C cannot cure.

Look at these products.. www.Livonlabs.com
and https://www.healthyitems.com/liposoma...C-p/614.16.htm and this one is less expensive.
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Just a side line here. I have recently met some Naturopathic doctors who use ozone in their practice and they have shared quite a bit of information with me. We were discussing direct IV ozone applications... thats when you fill the syringe with ozone and shoot it directly into the vein...

Apparently they have done self applications and feel that it is safe if your technique is right.. They also told me of another Naturopath near by that does it...

The issue here is that this technique is not approved by the ruling elite in ozone therapy so they would not stand by a doctor if something of any nature went wrong related to injected ozone whether the problem was releated to ozone or not... and this fear of the organization is what mostly keeps doctors from doing it.. I have know of other doctors over the years that do it.

There is one doc near Seattle who injects directly into the protal vein in the rectum so the ozone goes directly to the liver.... consider the effectiveness of that if you will!
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Hello Arrow~
You mentioned a doctor giving portal vein ozone treatments, ....wouldn't that basically be the same as the standard insufflation treatments?
I know that there is a procedure whereas a radiologist can snake a fine catheter tube through a primary vein, [going in from the left side] and loop right into the portal vein, then treat stones or blockages viva medications to dissolve & break loose any blockage.

Another similar procedure is called Tips, which drops down from an artery into the portal vein, but getting into the portal vein through the colon wall I wonder about, especially where any blockage problem might exist......
~Did the Dr. explain the details of the procedure that he uses to do this?
Of course I'm very interested in learning all that I can about these methods...

I wish that there was a cure for forgetfulness? Here lately, I've been just jumping out of bed hardly even taking time to eat a biscuit before heading out the door to work on this or that... forgetting to take any vitamins, herbs or much of anything all day, then dragging back home sometimes after dark, tired and wishing that I had stopped for lunch... Thank God for "weekends" :-} Anyway... I have really noticed that I sure don't have the mental clarity like I did 20 yrs ago... always forgetting something it seems...
Of course I know herbal chemistry, and do custom formula's etc. etc.. but at times, people like myself get too busy to do the pill cups to start the day off with etc...

What I'm wondering about, is the Mind circuits themselves, which are electrical, so I'm wondering if something might be made, mixed or ?, to increase the length of synapses, of electrical neurons, to sharpen memory pathways? [end result~to reverse electrical degeneration within mind], If you have any ideas, I'd surely appreciate it.
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Getting to the portal vein is not all that easy. But in the rectum it is close to the surface. This doctor puts a needle in and injects direct ozone which will immediatley go to the liver. It will be much more powerful than insufflation.

I think for someone like you rather than trying to load up on pills to make your brain work better working with diciplined intention is the answer. You seem quite capable of creating your reality and if your synapses were ill functioning how could you possibly to the ozone therapy that you have been doing. It is a matter of setting priority with intent and not allowing the world to pull you off course.
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Thanks Arrow for your input, and it's not easy to completely explain the entire process of considering ones electrical system, [brain functioning] to strengthen or vitalize the entire body. So often we just look at Alternative treatments as being herbal, or just look at the disease/pathogen and what would kill it...or as so many say...Cure it...

Without considering other factors such as reinforcing the body to fight an illness naturally... Herbs...we know fairly well...and a boat load of different ones at that... and other supportive fighters, such as MMS, ozone and electrical applications we know too... then there's diet....we know about the importance of pH balances, and to try to go alkaline, but over the last wk. or two, I've been contiplating what might be missing... as though we know of many things, yet the ultimate "Cure" for everyone seems to still be lacking, as people try MMS, they try an array of herbs, and even ozone and/or zapping etc..

I still fail to see that 100% cure for all diseases... Even MMS does not "cure" everything under the sun, nothing does... So it's up to us, people just like you and anyone who puts there mind to it, to figure out what's lacking..

While sitting and toiling these thought over, it dawned on me that all the methods that is primarily used in alternative treatments, involves two basic bodily functions.... Biological and Chemical... [involving cells, blood, organs etc. functions].
That only leaves the electrical system in our body, [which interacts with the former two systems..].
We "know" that our "Life energies" comes from our electrical neurons from our Master control center...the "brain"...

The Brain is what tells the body it's cold, or if it's hurt, and triggers reflexes, even down to the smallest reactions within cell functions, also within memory recall abilities...[The interactions of body intelligence].
It even automatically tells me where the keys are for my fingers to work automatically with my thoughts...
So could it be that the brain can also tell the entire body to become healthy and vitalized? But the problem comes when my brain will not listen..:-{

My point is that the electrical design within our body, is the most important controller over all functions, yet the least to be recognized in Alternative treatment methods... Why is this?
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Well, Hobo, I do think that spirit is involved, as well as karma, and our ability to focus our attention and to live in light concepts of the world.

MMS cures some pathogenic and autoimmune issues, but one has to ask what caused the susceptibility in the first place? Why does one person get a disease that another person had the same susceptibility too but does not get? I do think some of this is written in the genetic code and there in lies the spiritual aspect... this takes healing to a whole other quantum level that we generally do not deal with here.

You might want to read through the thread on Protandim and I have posted a clarified and condensed report on www.HealthSalon.org

The herb Bacopa may be what you are looking for and you will understand its effects on the neuro system after taking a look through that material and reading some of the clinicals on it.

I do want to mention again, even if your blood work looks normal you must continue for a while longer. They can only detect virus and bacteria when they are at detectible levels... and what exactly is that? nobody is sure when the microbe is fully gone. Hopefully all these treatments have boosted your immune system so it can fend off anything that might be remaining but If it took this long to get to a nondectable level I would double it before I considered that it was fully gone. Thats what I would do anyway to be sure, so you haven't wasted your time with a regeneration of disease later.

You have my respect for taking courage and self-responsibility in doing all that you have done to get well. You are a warrior in health and healing.
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