Are you kidding me? My child has been fed healthy food from 6 months, was breastfed until 34 months, has never been ill, has never been on antibiotics, didn't have a flat head, learned everything right on time, is skinny, laughs all the time, and is smarter than many of his peers. Clearly I have not done anything detrimental to his health, either in pregnancy or after his birth. In fact, I have only ever done the things proven to be best for him, extended breastfeeding, baby lead weaning, baby wearing, skin to skin contact, gentle discipline. He was not pumped full of tons of vaccines from birth. He plays in the dirt, he has a great immune system. I see plenty of kids who are sick all the time but mine isn't one of them. He is in great health because he is my number one priority. So, don't assume that you know anything about me or my son.

It is not that I think I know everything. It's that I am uncomfortable doing ANYTHING without first talking to my midwife about it. Seeing as my first appointment isn't until May 7th, no I will not do something just because I saw it on the Internet. I will talk to her about all of these things only then and ask her when she feels it is safe to begin any additional supplements.

It is my right to do only what I feel comfortable with. Reading something online doesn't make it fact, so no, I will not be doing anything without getting recommendations from someone who actually gives a damn about me and my unborn child.

I am on this site because it has been very helpful toward me and my mood disorders. But it is not particularly helpful to attack someone personally for their personal choice. If you think that method is going to help you change someone's mind, you are incorrect. Perhaps showing some sensitivity and presenting just information instead of insulting people would help them to actually care about what you have to say. Maybe a friendlier approach would've been better?

Also, midwives are not medical professionals and they don't give out medication. I am doing a home birth and her only role is to support me in bringing my child into the world naturally, in the comfort of my home.

And I'm not on medication. I was on a combination of vitamins and supplements that had me in a healthy state of mind and med-free. Which, obviously is a priority for me which is why I am going to see how many of them I can get back on once I meet with my midwife on May 7th, and to be back on most of them postpartum. So, again, you clearly don't know much about me just by reading my response on here. I do not take medication. I live a healthy lifestyle and my babies are the most important thing in the world to me. Hence why I will not just blindly do something because I read it on the Internet. I need to know 100% that it is okay and your posts on here alone are not enough to confirm that for me.

It's one thing to take a vitamin that may be healthy for you, it's another thing to say if you don't you are being unhealthy. The reason I say this is that I have never Centenarian indicating that they made it to be 100 years old from taking vitamin D pills. If anything studies show that the people who live the longest do not take supplements at all. So I'm not sure how health is being defined?

I take vitamin D3 every day and I agree that most people have deficiencies. It makes complete sense that our ancestors spent more time in the sun and ate foods high in vitamin D3. So I can buy off that our society has a vitamin D problem.

I just don't buy that somebody is unhealthy just becuase they don't want to pop a vitamin D3 pill. If I'm wrong then I'm dying to read about a single person who will state their longevity is do to D3 supplement.

Absolutely not.

The sooner you understand that health professionals can only give you advice and information based on CONSENSUS MEDICAL OPINION the sooner you realise you have to think for yourself and act in your own and your child's best interests.

Following consensus medical opinion is the very reason that obesity, diabetes, cancer, heart disease incidence is at an all time high. Consensus medical opinion is business and business means making money. It is not putting your personal or your child's best interests first.

We are a NATURAL Health forum and trying to achieve what the human body does NATURALLY is what this forum is all about. Which is why, if you want the best for your child you will ensure your body is able to supply vitamin D replete breast milk, It will do that if you take 6400iu/daily vitamin D3 and live around latitude 32. You may need more further north.

You midwife will not tell you that because it is not consensus medical opinion but it's easy enough for you to find out for yourself.

Ted
Just to correct the statement about kids being born with flat heads is incorrect. I'm by no means a pregnant expert, but I've gone through 3 books now on pregnancy and Brachycephaly (Flat head Syndrome) and this is caused by pressure on one area of an infant’s head over time. It started In 1992 from the American Academy of Pediatrics launched the Back to Sleep Campaign. This has saved lifes, but at the sametime you will have more babies with flat heads.

You are clearly not reading my full posts and are only taking away what you want to read in it. So, I am done with you. Stress, is also uneccessary during pregnancy. So I honestly don't have to deal with thick-headed people that just want to argue.

It's strange then that you can find the same condition in vitamin D deficient mice. Some get flathead some get rickets. You prove to me that babies with flat heads aren't vitamin D deficient or haven't been throughout pregnancy/lactation and I'll consider your evidence. Until then I will continue to believe that it's most likely that vitamin D deficiency in early years contributes to many of the structural problems that increasingly affect large numbers of our younger people.

If the cause you state were the WHOLE truth then this condition would be a lot more frequent. There is a reason why some kids have this condition and not others. Vitamin D deficiency is the most likely reason. Common Sense. It regulates the uptake of calcium required for strong bones. If bones are soft they are more likely to become misshapen.

You took the words right out of my mouth but I was too polite to say what I was thinking.

There is absolutely no justification whatever for anyone remaining vitamin D deficient or insufficient during pregnancy or lactation. Shame on you.

Mhm, and if you bothered to read my replies you would see that the plan is to go on it after running it by my midwife in a few weeks. But, clearly you know everything and anyone who doesn't blindly follow your advice right away is wrong.

If I had wanted to take advice from someone who thought their way was the only right way, I would've gone to my doctor.

You seem determined NOT to use your own common sense.
Because vitamin D repletion is NOT consensus medical opinion most health professionals will not and CANNOT (for legal/insurance reasons) provide you with the best information for your and your babies best interests. They can only tell you what is consensus medical opinion not what actually works and what actually is common sense.

I'm sorry you aren't prepared to read the research yourself, or get yourself 25(OH)D tested or invest in the few $ that is required for 5000iu vitamin D supplements. but that is your choice and you have to live with the consequences. Safety is trying to do what is natural and the human body did not evolve wearing clothes or living indoors. Our skin is set to create up to 20,000iu daily vitamin D3. 5000iu is a pittance but a significant amount and will meet your and your babies basic needs. 25(oh)d testing will show what I say is correct and works out in practice. You can show the results to your midwife and your doctor. It's about time they and you learnt what actually happens in practice.

Actually, midwives are the natural approach to pregnancy. I don't expect a man to know that anyway. My midwife recommended me against vaccines, against circumcision, encouraged breastfeeding up to any beyond 2 years, encouraged co-sleeping, and encouraged no interventions in labour. That is NOT standard medical advice, and they are not required to only give standard medical advice. My doctor would have me deliver on my back in the hospital, with pain killers and unneccessary cutting. A midwife's job is to provide the most natural approach. Do some research. Midwives are totally separate in Canada from doctors and other prenatal care, and do not follow the doctors' rules.

And no, I am just determined to verify I am not going to harm my baby in any way. You seem to think that anyone who chooses not to follow you blindly is dumb. That is a very arrogant outlook. You really aren't too much different than the doctors that you hate so much.

My midwife very well may say yes, take vitamin d drops. Until she says that, I am not going to take any chances. Just accept that and move on, my pregnancy does not have any impact on your life and your advice is not a good subsitute for advice from the only person I trust with my child's health.

Arrogance is the making of undue claims.
Everything I say is based on fact.

If you can prove anything I have said is not true then prove it.

You will find the amount of vitamin D in drops are insufficient to correct your vitamin D insufficiency state let alone sufficient to raise your 25(OH)D level to one that enables you to supply vitamin D replete milk to your baby.

Get 25(OH)D TESTED and prove me wrong.

I have no interest in trying to prove you wrong. I only care to verify the information with someone I trust before changing anything nutritionally. You are viewing this as me saying you are wrong, when all I'm saying is I want to run it by someone who I actually trust. Which is what I have been saying all along.

And my d drops I was taking pre-pregnancy are 5000 IU. Is that not the amount you have been recommending?

Then I don't understand what you are making such a fuss about.
If you've been taking 5000iu daily and you continue to do so then there should be no problem and a 25(OH)D test will confirm that.

Whether you run that by your doctor or your midwife is fine by me but you still have to choose if they don't agree with this. My choice would be to stick with what is a natural 25(OH)D level and one that both meets your daily needs and one that will enable you to supply Vitamin D replete milk directly to your baby.

I really don't get why you appear to be arguing with me.

Well, I don't really understand why you came into this thread in the first place and insulted me personally when all I said was I found it interesting and wanted to run it by my midwife. I don't really appreciate someone who doesn't know me saying I am somehow doing something horrible to my baby by waiting to speak with my midwife before making a decision. Of course I am going to be defensive if that is your technique for giving me information.

Like I said before, coming into this thread and maybe providing me information in a non-insulting way would've worked much better. Calling me "gross" and saying I am depriving my child is unneccessary for the message you want to get across.

I am actually 99% sure she will agree with taking vitamin d. But I don't want to make that choice before I speak with her, since she(not my doctor, she is not someone I trust at all) is the one I trust with providing me information during my pregnancies.

In the mean time I hope you are still taking your vitamin d3.
I think on forums such as this we should be open and frank.
I think it is wrong not to make it absolutely clear what is the best and safest option.
I'm sorry you felt I was insulting you. I had no intention of doing that.
I just wanted you to understand the serious consequences of vitamin d deficiency during pregnancy and lactation. If indeed you have been taking an effective amount of vitamin D3 AND you continue to do so then vitamin D deficiency isn't a problem.