I decided to get my hormones tested and the results are in:

Estradiol saliva 0.5 (Low) Range is1.3-3.3
Progesterone saliva 54611 (High) Range is 200-3000
Testosterone saliva 75 (High) Range is 16-55
DHEAS saliva 3.1 Range is 2-23
Cortisol saliva (morning) 9.6 (High) Range is 3.7-9.5

What do you guys think?

I think you could use a little more DHEA and estradiol.
If you take those your testosterne will be adequately opposed the E and may come down.

for the cortisol you just need more rest and less worry. A B5 supplement of 500mg a day may help some. or simply some homeopathic remedies to reduce stress. Having more DHEA will help reduce stress also.

Once the doc gets you on a program you will have to be restested in a month or so.

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Thanks Arrowwind09! I didn't expect my estrogen to be low because there are so many phytoestrogens in my diet like flaxseed and with all the plastics in our culture and environment it seemed more probable to be estrogen dominant with low progesterone being the problem. Perhaps there's a lot of fake/unnatural estrogens from plastics in my body that won't allow real estrogens to be detected? I don't know.

DHEA seems like the magic bullet. In one of my nutrition books it stated in tests with mice their lifespan increased 50% when they were supplemented with DHEA. The hemotologist said DHEA increases testosterone in women and for me that wouldn't be good as my testosterone is high.

I'm nervous to add estrogen as there are many complications with too much estrogen. This will have to be a careful process.

I'm in the process of coming up with a high dose B vitamin complex. They're all synergistic and work together. I hope it doesn't mess things up to take several at high doses. What I've been wanting to try is what Dr. Atkins suggests for cardiovascular health: folic acid 10 mg., B12 2 mcg., B6 100 mg. Now I may add pantothenic acid as you suggested. I've been taking niacin 100 mg. 3x a day. I wonder how the heck to get the B's to balance. I don't want to cause more complications. Who does? lol

Thanks as always for being there on this health journey.

B 12 2 mcg. I would take a 500 mcg once a month on top of that.

B-6 100 mg, way too much. Cut down to 10mg a day

You can get DHEA in 5 mg capsules (the lowest dose). I would try those for a couple months.

I would go to a doctor that specializes in balancing hormones and uses bioidentical hormones. Balancing is delicate.

Phytoestrogens, plant estrogens, are a weak form of estrogen so would only have a weak estrogen effect. Xenoestrogens are the chemical ones and the bad ones.

I've been taking bio-identical estrogens, DHEA testosterone and progestone for almost 4 years now. You do need to get checked periodically and more frequently in the beginning. They are made in a compounding pharmacy specifically for me. I've never had menapause.

My doc doubles the dose of the prescription then I split them and take half of that twice a day... that saves me $30 a month... before it cost $60

My doc also insists that I take lugols iodine every day as iodine will help prevent ill effects of bad estrogens. I have absolutley proven this out on myself a couple of times.. I strongly recommend it.

I meant B12 2,000 mcg a day. Did you mean 5,000?

Are you planning on being a centurian because it sounds like you're optimizing your body to do that. Suzanne Summers has several books about the benefits of rebalancing and optimizing your levels.

Hormones are the foreman in the body telling enzymes, vitamins and organs what to do.

I'm starting to seek out answers as to why they get out of balance.....age, heredity, plastic toxins, heavy metal toxicity or other toxicity, nutrient deficiency, not methylating, brain dysfunction......maybe it doesn't matter.

I hope one day a healthy body system doesn't seem so complex to understand.

You are fine 2000 is good

Phytoestrogens actually lowers estrogens in the body. Correct me if I'm wrong.
https://www.ehow.com/facts_5724663_he...n-levels_.html

Phytoestrogens can act like estrogen at low doses and block it at high doses. If your estrogen level is high, phytoestrogens can be good to block the bad estrogens, xenoestrogens. But I was thinking about the fact that your estrogen level was low and that the phytoestrogens probably wouldn't be enough to cause your low levels to come up or that they wouldn't be blocking estrogen unless you ate a lot of them and a lot of the ones high in phytoestrogens like soy or alphalfa. Or maybe you are taking herbs that are high in phytoestrogens?

Many herbs have high levels such as the ones used for menopause to raise estrogen levels: red clover, dong quai, black cohosh, chasteberry, gingseng, sage. Also, licorice, fennel, nettle and milk thistle are high in phytoestrogens. People who are estrogen dominant, who have high levels of estrogen should be careful about taking too many phytoestrogens but you have a low level of estrogen. But really, not enough is understood about phytoestrogens or hormones for that matter, and phytoestrogens can act differently on different people. And I couldn't find anything that showed what was considered a high intake, enough to block estrogen.

Most of the studies have been on soy which have a high level of phytoestrogens. Also, how much of that soy is not organic and soy crops use high levels of pesticides which may be a source of xenoestrogens. Also, many soy products are highly processed which means more xenoestrogens.

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How do phytoestrogens act in the body? There are many different ways that phytoestrogens may work in the body. The chemical structure of phytoestrogens is similar to estrogen, and they may act as mimics (copies) of estrogen. On the other hand, phytoestrogens also have effects that are different from those of estrogen. Working as estrogen mimics, phytoestrogens may either have the same effects as estrogen or block estrogen's effects. Which effect the phytoestrogen produces can depend on the dose of the phytoestrogen. The phytoestrogen can act like estrogen at low doses but block estrogen at high doses. Estrogen activates a family of proteins called estrogenreceptors. Recent studies have shown that phytoestrogens interact more with some members of the estrogen receptor family, but more information is needed about how these receptors work, especially in breast cancer. Finally, phytoestrogens acting as estrogen mimics may affect the production and/or the breakdown of estrogen by the body, as well as the levels of estrogen carried in the bloodstream.

envirocancer.cornell.edu/factsheet/diet/fs1.phyto.cfm

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I dont understand all the hormonal stuff either and sometimes I tend to find my mind glazing over when I try to figure it out.

Soy certianly is high in estorgens and is very dangerous for babies as in soy formula.

I know herbs can rectify some of the problems but lots of women dont know which herbs for what. I strongly recommend either saliva or blood testing to look at whats acutally happening with the herbs or at least to select the correct products if you want to go the herbal route... They have figured much out in the last 10 to 15 years... and you want to be taking the right stuff rather than sending your body on a roller coaster ride.

Homeoapthy can help with hormonal issues also and before I took bio-identicals I used Heel combo remedies to keep some of my symptoms in check.. Iodine can also help.

But in my opinion the cadilliac of care is in BHRT. This way you can balance a number of things at one time. So far Im quite pleased with results... My doc said you can take them forever if you want, There is no upper age limit... well, we shall see as time goes by how my opinions develop on that. I haven't read Summers books in total.. Just thumbed through them and read a few chapters... they looked good but were not on my priority list... guess I could get them at the library.

For anti-aging I just started protandim.. or rather my own knock off. You can read about it here and I just added to the comments yesterday: https://www.healthsalon.org/504/prota...e-aging-clock/

Arrowwind, what do you mean when you say you've never had menopause?

I had some pretty uncomfortable peri-menapausal symptoms after a life time of having near perfect cycles. Excessive bleeding. breast tenderness, moodiness etc etc with each monthly cycle. Finally when I couldnt manage it on my own it drove me to the doc.

So I started BHRT before menapause happened. My doc says I will never have menapause. She says that some woman who take BHRT actually stop the supplement for 6 days or so a month and have periods...but I can't say if they actually ovulate.. but she said it was not necessary to do this and I thought 'why would anyone want to?'. ..so I dont do that. I just take it every day.. Menapause is the result of falling hormonal levels. If you keep your levels up menapause never comes. Infertility of the ovum happens long before menapause comes for most women.... and I wonder if supplemental hormones would keep those ova alive if started earlier?

Protandim has some powerful ingredients. They say we live off of 1/3 of what we eat, our doctor lives off the rest. If that 1/3 has powerful supplements like protandim, pine bark,and herbs Wow! our bodies should be happy.

But things never seem as easy as they sound.

u&irok, I'm beginning to think my body has blocked estrogen receptor sites because of such a high intake of phytoestrogens. I didn't realize my diet of a couple cups of sprouted beans (daily), miso, fennel (used it at nearly every meal), milk thistle (every meal), red clover leaf tea, flax seed, and maca could negatively affect my estrogen. I don't know what else to think.

The supplements I looked at mentioned increasing progesterone and balancing estrogen dominance. Not good for me. Estrovan was recommended to me but it has propylene glycol and other nasties in the ingredient list.