The Cycle of Life

knightofalbion

\r\n \r\n A very good website concerning survival of the spirit and what happens when we die, can be found at
\nhttps://www.victorzammit.com\r\n

liverock

\r\n \r\n Ian Mc Cormack was a young New Zealand man who was stung by deadly Box Jellyfish whilst scuba diving off the Island of Mauritius.
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\nHere he recounts how he managed to make his way to a local hospital but eventually died, found himself outside his body and his meeting with Jesus Christ that changed him forever, before finding himself returned to his body in the hospital mortuary.
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knightofalbion

\r\n \r\n Near-death experiences: Many of the patients have spoken of the peace they experienced; beautiful, indescribable peace - no pain, no anxiety. They tell us that all that matters is how much you have loved, how much you have cared and if you know these things then you cannot possibly be afraid of death - Dr Elizabeth Kubler-Ross\r\n

dogwoman

\r\n \r\n Norman Mailer once wrote words to the effect that a babe, upon being born, is frightened of being ejected from the world which it has known. In essence the birth of a babe is a form of death, leaving one world for another.\r\n

ozzie

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\r\nWhen I was younger I was always terrified of the thought of seeing a dead person,but after having sat with 3 very close relatives to the last breath of their lives I am no longer afraid of dying, and am so grateful that I was able to be with them in their last days.\r\n

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I also found, that the book, The Art Of Happiness, a handbook for living, by his holiness the Dalai Lama, and Howard C. Cutler M.D. a very interesting read about life and death.
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\nWhen I was younger I was always terrified of the thought of seeing a dead person,but after having sat with 3 very close relatives to the last breath of their lives I am no longer afraid of dying, and am so grateful that I was able to be with them in their last days.

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knightofalbion

\r\n \r\n Sunset, sunrise: There is no death, life is a continuum.\r\n

knightofalbion

\r\n \r\n Mother darling, you never could, even in your darkest moments of despair, wish us back, could you see us here in this beautiful place
\n - Percy Welsford (From \'The Golden Key\')
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\nNever be afriad of death, it is the gift of life. Never grieve for us, we are not dead. We live a life of beauty and happiness.
\nLife on earth is like living in a valley; life over here is like being transported to the mountain top where the great vision of life is laid before one
\n - Percy Welsford (From \'The Golden Key\')\r\n

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\r\n \r\n sorry to be the skeptic here but no one living person can say what happens after death and since no one who died has come back to tell us.
\nan after life is largely wishful thinking and near death experiences hallucinations
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\nI have had dreams that would indicate there is something after death but then who knows the workings of the subconscious mind in a dream state,so I remain a skeptic unless proven otherwise and hope that when my time comes I will find oblivion
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sorry to be the skeptic here but no one living person can say what happens after death and since no one who died has come back to tell us.
\nan after life is largely wishful thinking and near death experiences hallucinations
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\nI have had dreams that would indicate there is something after death but then who knows the workings of the subconscious mind in a dream state,so I remain a skeptic unless proven otherwise and hope that when my time comes I will find oblivion
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And what do you think earthbound spirits/ghosts are?
\nIn past times there were many who thought like you, and many who were misled by people who thought like you. People who thought that there was no afterlife, or that there was nothing but a long, long sleep till the feared Judgement Day. But when the time came most of them woke up to the reality. But for some their belief, or should I say disbelief, was as if encased in stone. They could not go back because they were \'dead\' and they could not go forward because they could not accept that they were \'dead\' yet still alive, so they remained trapped in a spiritual void of their own design.
\nThankfully man\'s understanding of survival of the spirit and of spiritual law has grown immeasurably since those times.
\nLife is a continuum. All people survive death. All! And thousands upon thousands upon thousands of cases of near-death experiences, pre-death experiences, visions, spirit communications and the like, from all countries, colours and creeds around the world bear testimony to this great truth.
\n\'Death\' is not the end rather the beginning of a great and wondrous adventure.\r\n

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Death is not the opposite of life. Life has no opposite. The oppposite of death is birth. Life is eternal.
\n- Eckhart Tolle (\'Stillness Speaks\')
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In Native American teachings this is core..
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\r\n \r\n I do believe in the spirit world having had a few experiences not only with loved ones, but with an animal, and also unexplained happenings in our house of which we are the very first owners.
\r\nI believe the spirit of someone was bought into our home through one of our loved ones being in hospital and then staying in our home after coming out of hospital to recouperate.
\r\nI was never afraid of the spirit, and it finally left here after being confronted.\r\n

knightofalbion

\r\n \r\n Mum smiled at me and I held her hand. I looked at her and saw all the pain and age disappear from her face. Then she closed her eyes. I thought about getting a nurse to check on her, but with eyes still closed she clenched my hand again and said, "Stay. They\'re here."
\nI knew this was the last time I would be with my mum while she was alive. She looked so beautiful. I bent over and kissed her forehead. She let out a long sigh and I believe that was the moment she passed over.
\nI waited a few moments before getting the nurses. This was a sacred and precious moment and I never wanted to forget it
\n(From \'An Angel Saved Me\' by Theresa Cheung)\r\n

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\r\n \r\n A twelve-year-old girl who came back from a near-death-experience decided not to tell her mother that dying in a car accident was a beautiful experience. She didn\'t want to hurt her mother\'s feelings by telling her that she had been happy in a place greater than her home.
\nShe had a need to talk about it, though, so she told her father that dying was a beautiful experience and she had not wanted to come back. In fact, not only was it an experience of light and openheartedness, she had been amazed to meet with someone who said he was her brother,who told her she was going to be fine. "He loved me so much," she said, "and he loved you and Mom too. How could I have seen someone who said he was my brother? I don\'t have a brother."
\nHer father began to cry. "You did have a brother, but he died before you were born," her dad said. "We wanted to tell you when you were older."
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\n(From \'On Grief and Grieving\' by Dr Elisabeth Kubler-Ross and David Kessler)\r\n

knightofalbion

\r\n \r\n When we die, we will be surprised that not only those who loved us the most will be waiting, but there will also be many others. Ancestors, and strangers whose lives we touched and never knew it
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\n(From \'Grief and Grieving\' by Dr Elisabeth Kubler-Ross and David Kessler)
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\r\n \r\n \'My mother had a stroke. We had a nurse sit with her. Next morning the nurse said she had seen the figure of a girl come and stand at the foot of mother\'s bed at 3 a.m.
\nShe asked what was the matter. The figure replied "I\'ve just come for my mother" and disappeared.
\nThe next night my mother died - at 3 a.m.
\nLater the nurse saw a photograph of my dead sister. "That was the girl who was at the bedside," she said.\'
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\n(From \'Life After Death\' by Neville Randall)\r\n

knightofalbion

\r\n \r\n The dying experience is similar to that of birth, just as the growth of the caterpillar is the natural step toward emergence of the butterfly. Just as we cannot hear a dog whistle, which sounds at a frequency too high for the human ear, we cannot hear our loved one broadcasting on a channel whose frequency is beyond our ear\'s capabilities. But that doesn\'t mean that our loved one can\'t hear us. A ship exists on the ocean, even if it sails out beyond the limits of our sight. The people in the ship have not vanished; they are simply moving to another shore.
\nIn the same way, death can be viewed as a transition to a higher state of consciousness where you continue to perceive, understand and grow. The only thing you lose is something that you don\'t need anymore, your physical body. It\'s like putting away your winter coat when spring comes. You lose something that you don\'t need anymore, something that may have been sick, old and no longer in working order. That understanding may leave little comfort in the immediate moment, but in the long run, it helps to know that somewhere, somehow, our loved one still exists and we will see them again
\n- Dr Elisabeth Kubler-Ross (\'On Grief and Grieving\')\r\n

knightofalbion

\r\n \r\n "What happens after death is so unspeakably glorious that our imagination and our feelings do not suffice to form even an approximate conception of it..."
\n- The famous psychotherapist Carl Jung speaking six months after he underwent a NDE\r\n

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\r\n \r\n There is not in your world one artist who could capture with his paints some of the glories of my world. There is not one musician who could record some of the glories of the music sphere with your notes. There is not one writer who could describe in physical words the beauty of parts of this world.
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\nWhat a pleasant surprise you will all have one day, when you become conscious of our world.
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\nYour world is in beauty now. [It was May/Springtime] Ypu see all around you the manifestations of the Great Spirit, as the dawn of life sweeps over your surroundings again in its cycle, and you marvel at the beauty of the blossom and the fragrance of the flowers, and you say "How great is the handiwork of the Great Spirit."
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\nAnd yet, that which you see is but a very pale reflection of the beauties that we have in our world of spirit.
\nWe have flowers such as you have never seen, we have colours such as your eye has never beheld, we have scenes and forests, we have birds and plants, we have streams and mountains. You have nothing to compare them with.
\nAnd you will be able to enjoy them, for, even though you will be ghosts, you will be real ones.
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\nYou come to our world now, but you do not remember. You visit the spirit world every night. That is your preparation. Otherwise, it would be such a shock when you come here to start your real life in earnest. When you pass on, you will remember your visits
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\n- Silver Birch (From \'Teachings of Silver Birch\')\r\n

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\r\n \r\n This NDE account was given by a 62 year old who before his NDE had been a hard-nosed, no-nonsense businessman...
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\n\'The first thing I saw when I awoke in the hospital was a flower, and I cried. Believe it or not, I had never really seen a flower until I came back from death. One big thing I learned when I \'died\' was that we are all part of one big, living universe.
\nIf we think we can hurt another person or living thing without hurting ourselves, we are sadly mistaken. I look at a forest or a flower or a bird now, and say, "That is me, part of me."
\nWe are connected with all things and if we send love along those connections, then we are happy.\'
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\n(From \'The Light Beyond\' by Raymond Moody)\r\n

knightofalbion

\r\n \r\n Suicide - A word to the wise:
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\n\'When the fruit is ripe, it will fall\' - and not before.
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\nNot only does the act of suicide create a huge backwash of sorrow and regret for those left behind, suicide adversely effects the soul\'s destined path.
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\nLife has its purpose. We are here for a reason, not only in the general spiritual sense, but in the individual spiritual sense too - some lesson we have to learn, some task we have to perform.
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\nLife can be very hard at times, but the soul comes into its own, not in the sunshine but in the storm.
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\nWhat we term \'dark times\' provide a golden opportunity for soul growth and that is the meaning of life, to learn (through experience) and to advance the soul.
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\nWhatever life throws at us, we must stand our ground. Knowing that the \'dark times\' will not last forever but for a season and, if somewhat battered and bruised, we will emerge the stronger.\r\n

knightofalbion

\r\n \r\n \'I found myself floating up toward the ceiling. I could see everyone around the bed very plainly, even my own body. I thought how odd it was that they were upset about my body. I was fine and I wanted them to know that, but there seemed to be no way to let them know. It was as though there were a veil or screen between me and the others in the room.
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\nI became aware of an opening, if I can call it that. It appeared to be elongated and dark and I began to zoom through it. I was puzzled yet exhilarated.
\nI came out of the tunnel into a realm of soft, brilliant love and light. The love was everywhere. It surrounded me and seemed to soak through into my very being.
\nAt some point I was shown or saw the events of my life. They were in a kind of vast panorama.
\nAll of this is really just indescribable.
\nPeople I knew who had died were there with me in the light, a friend who had died in college, my grandfather and a great aunt, among others.
\nThey were happy, beaming.
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\nI didn\'t want to go back, but I was told that I had to, by a man in light. I was being told that I had not completed what I had to do in life.
\nI came back into my body with a sudden lurch\'
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\n- NDE of Martha Todd, a respected professor of English
\n(From \'The Light Beyond\' by Dr Raymond Moody)\r\n

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\n\'On what is called \'the mount of freedom\', a beautiful, mountainous landscape, she saw some of the \'wild\' animals which had become individualised through contact with humans, all now at peace with one another.
\nShe was shown Elsa the lioness leaping down from a rock to the river bank.
\nMany, many people in their varied spirit robes went about tending the animals, or visiting their own special friends.
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\nVery many animals, of course, are living with the people they loved and who loved them, in other spheres. Our friend John has his spaniel, my husband\'s grandmother has her dogs and horses, and we have just heard that Rudolf, our friend\'s cat recently passed over, is keeping our friend\'s mother company, an old lady who just preceded him into spirit life.
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\nThe knowledge that our loved and faithful friends are contentedly waiting to greet us is wonderful indeed.
\nBut this knowledge also forces us to take stock of our behaviour to all animals, and perhaps think much more deeply about our personal responsibility for their welfare, evolution, individualisation and happiness.
\nAnd this in turn makes us take another look at what we eat and what we wear, for all creation is one, all part of the Divine Spirit, and the Law of that spirit is LOVE\'
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\n- Peggy Mason (From \'Tales Of Two Worlds\')\r\n

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\r\n \r\n \'Grandma made a noise and I happened to look up at her and saw a look of discomfort and incomprehension on her face. All of a sudden she keeled over like a fence post falling down, straight as a stick, without her legs even buckling.
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\nI could see she her dead body on the floor. But also at the same time I saw a much younger version of her standing exactly where she had been standing when she fell.
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\nNow, there was a second figure beside her who was a man about her same apparent age.
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\nThe two looked at me and waved, and when they did I felt a deep love.
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\nThen they turned away as a unit and disappeared by walking away together through the kitchen wall.
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\nWe didn\'t have the word \'holographic\' then, but it occurs to me how that this is the best word available to characterize the experience.
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\nThe two people could be described as looking like a hologram, yet they had a greater degree of reality than anything I have experienced before or since\'
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\n- A retired philosophy professor recalling how, as a boy, he witnessed his grandmother\'s death
\n(From \'Glimpses of Eternity\' by Dr Raymond Moody)\r\n

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\r\n \r\n There is one common element in near-death experiences, they transform the people who have them
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\r\n \r\n Valerie Feasby-Quigley nursed her father at home while he was dying of lung cancer. About two weeks before his death he started to tell her about the various dead family members who had been to visit him and whom he could see and talk to. She assumed that these \'visits\' were due to the drugs he was taking.
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\n\'On a couple of occasions when I heard him talking, I thought he was calling me. When I went to his room to ask what he wanted he would say, "Nothing, I was talking to your mum."
\nOn the day he died he said, "Look, there\'s your mum and David (her brother), they\'ve come again. I think I\'ll go now." I thought he meant he wanted to go to sleep, so I said, "OK Dad, just lie back and close your eyes - you can go to sleep now." I held his hand; he lay back on his pillow, still looking at the wall opposite, and sighed a deep breath and passed away. I put all this down to the medication he was on.
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\nWhen I cleaned his room after the funeral, I found the tablets that I had been giving him, and I thought he was taking, under the bed. He had not taken any of his medication. It then dawned on me that he was not hallucinating; he must really have seen my mother and her brother, and they met him to help him on his journey.\'
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knightofalbion

\r\n \r\n There was a feeling of utter peace and quiet, no fear at all, and I found myself in a tunnel - a tunnel of concentric circles.
\nShortly after that, I saw a T.V. programme called \'The Time Tunnel\', where people go back in time through this spiralling tunnel. Well, that\'s the closest thing to it that I can think of
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\n- A NDE reported in \'Life After Life\' by Dr Raymond Moody\r\n

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\r\n \r\n "Oh wow. Oh wow. Oh wow" - Last words of Apple co-founder and computer legend Steve Jobs.
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\r\n \r\n Sometimes when listening to some rock songs, I think of my father and know that he would have liked this song. He passed real early in his life due to Huntington\'s disease. He loved Neil Young so when I hear a song that has the same raw guitar chords that Neil uses I think of him.
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\ntoday I was listening to one such song and I swear I felt him with me, enjoying the song. I started to get anxious and my thoughts were racing, but then I heard him say, "it\'s ok son, just enjoy the music". As if he was saying to me to relax, that he is there with me, enjoying the song and that I should just enjoy it too.
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\nAnd when my father had his NDE, he changed a bit for a while because he told me that he didn\'t see anything, even though he was pretty close to being dead.. He just told me he saw blackness and nothing... Scary shit....
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\nDeath is one of life\'s greatest mysteries, pretty ironic when you think about it...\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Dogs In The Afterlife:
\nAmerican Bryce Bond was taken seriously ill and in the process of this underwent a NDE.
\nHe remembered suddenly passing through a long tunnel toward a beautiful light...
\n"I hear a bark and racing toward me is a dog I once had, a black poodle named Pepe. When I see him, I feel an emotional floodgate open. Tears fill my eyes. He jumps into my arms, licking my face. As I hold him, he is real, more real than I had ever experienced him. I can smell him, feel him, hear his breathing and sense his great joy at being with me again...
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\nI feel the presence of my dog around me as I ponder these two questions. Then I hear barking and other dogs appear, dogs I once had. As I stand there in what seems an eternity I want to embrace and be absorbed and merge. I want to stay. The sensation of not wanting to come back is overwhelming."
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Dogs In The Afterlife:
\nAmerican Bryce Bond was taken seriously ill and in the process of this underwent a NDE.
\nHe remembered suddenly passing through a long tunnel toward a beautiful light...
\n"I hear a bark and racing toward me is a dog I once had, a black poodle named Pepe. When I see him, I feel an emotional floodgate open. Tears fill my eyes. He jumps into my arms, licking my face. As I hold him, he is real, more real than I had ever experienced him. I can smell him, feel him, hear his breathing and sense his great joy at being with me again...
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\nI feel the presence of my dog around me as I ponder these two questions. Then I hear barking and other dogs appear, dogs I once had. As I stand there in what seems an eternity I want to embrace and be absorbed and merge. I want to stay. The sensation of not wanting to come back is overwhelming."
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An extract from a NDE account given by a lady called Mary
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\n\'Horses and dogs were playing together and when they stopped they seemed to stare a hole through me and then went back to playing.
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I\'ve actually thought about this possibility and I plan to say "excuse me just a few minutes" and then sneak away and get as far from them as possible. The last thing I want to do is go over why I did this and that and remember when -' + '- for what would seem like an eternity. But then again, maybe that is a Sartre-style hell.\r\n

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\nAnimals And The Afterlife: True Stories Of Our Best Friends\' Journey Beyond Death
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\r\n \r\n I had my NDE at 12 years of age. On leaving my body I went into black swirling clouds, but I was not frightened. I then went onto a most beautiful place where the colors were alive and dancing - words fail to convey the magic of my experience.
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\nOn the subject of hell like NDE\'s, I believe this is what is projected from the consciousness of the person having the NDE. Take our dreams for example - we create the dreamworld we enter into when the physical body sleeps! So I believe we create the NDE experience we have.
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\nTheir are some cracking NDE\'s on You Tube, Pam Reynolds NDE is, in my opinion, proof of life after death.
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\nPam Reynolds Lowery from Atlanta, Georgia was an American singer-songwriter. In 1991, at the age of 35, she had a near-death experience (NDE) during a brain operation. Her NDE is one of the most notable and best documented in NDE research.
\nDuring "standstill" operation, Pam\'s brain was found "dead" by all three clinical tests - her electroencephalogram was silent, her brain-stem response was absent, and no blood flowed through her brain which left her clinically dead. Interestingly, while in this state, she encountered the "deepest" NDE of all.
\nShe made several observations about the procedure which later were confirmed by medical personnel as surprisingly accurate.
\nPamela Reynolds Lowery died of heart failure at the age of 53 (1956 -' + '- May 22, 2010)
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\nAlso The Scole Experiment is worth watching - especially for sceptics!
\nSee the thread in General Discussions!!!\r\n

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\r\n \r\n "To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others; to leave the world a little better; whether by a healthy child, a garden patch or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is the meaning of success. "
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knightofalbion · � #1 � 09-24-2011, 02:15 AM

When you walk through a forest that has not been tamed and interfered with by man, you will see not only abundant life all around you, but you will also encounter fallen trees and decaying trunks, rotting leaves and decomposing matter at every step. Wherever you look, you will find death as well as life.
Upon closer scrutiny, however, you will discover that the decomposing tree trunk and rotting leaves not only give birth to new life, but are full of life themselves. Microorganisms are at work. Molecules are rearranging themselves. So death isn't to be found anywhere. There is only the metamorphosis of life forms. What can you learn from this?
Death is not the opposite of life. Life has no opposite. The oppposite of death is birth. Life is eternal.
- Eckhart Tolle ('Stillness Speaks')

Life is a school. We incarnate on earth to learn and to advance the soul.
Death is quite simply 'going home'.
Do not be afraid of death. There is nothing to fear.

For anyone in need of comfort and reassurance, or those seeking further knowledge on the topic of survival of the spirit, then I recommend the following outstanding works:
On Death and Dying by Dr Elizabeth Kubler-Ross
Glimpses of Eternity by Dr Raymond Moody
The Art of Dying by Dr Peter Fenwick and Elizabeth Fenwick

And for the more enquiring mind I also recommend a classic of British spiritualist literature 'The Golden Key' by Percy Welsford.

Why have most of those who went through a near-death experience lost their fear of death? Reflect on this - Eckhart Tolle

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