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Hey there..

Okay this sucks... Around a year ago or a lil longer I developed prostatitis.. never had anything like it before.. but at the time I was severely stressed out.. i battled with it on and off for the whole year, and for the past 4-5 months, I was feeling pretty good..

then this morning I woke up, and was doing a bowel movement .. anyway, while sitting on the toilet I pee'd and noticed cloudy urine again.. then a slight burning/stinging sensation in my urethra..

I havent experienced that in almost a year!! so needless to say im pretty frustrated and dismayed, I thought for sure it was gone or completely under control. I definitely wasnt expecting that.

The interesting thing is.. I thought before it was caused by stress.. but this time I havent been very stressed.. at least nothing like before.. if anything ive been in a good mood lately..

So im trying to figure out what could have caused this.. and ive come up with a few possibilities;

- Yeast (I noticed a bit of a white coating on my girlfriends tongue.. which was pretty pronounced, but it went away after she brushed her tonuge)
- Food Allergies (I havent been eating dairy for a while, but last night I had some parmesan cheese.. I also have stayed away from alcohol for a long time, but the other night I had just a sip of swedish bitter formula that had alcohol in it, it was a tiny sip but enough that I had a strong taste of alcohol.. just recently ive tried to stay away form white flour, but i slipped up and had some the other day) Other things I ate last night were tomatoes!)
- For some reason last night I was waking up a lot through out the night unexplainably.. but I read that this can be caused by histamine release (possibly caused by food allergies)

Then the other possibilities are the standard ones you hear about for prostatitis; sitting too much, not getting enough sleep/staying up late, alcohol/spicy food (i do sit a lot, and stay up late..)

Im just frustrated at this point.. even if it is a food allergy or staying up late.. i never ever had these issues until a year ago.. and i used to eat anything i wanted and stay up til 5 in the morning with no problems. But after I went through a big period of intense stress/sleeping problems i havent been the same (Adrenal?)

Please help me
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Old 06-30-2010, 12:29 PM
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I also had a big allergic reaction a few weeks ago which ive never had before.. it seems in general theres probably some type of allergic reaction going on, releasing tons of histamine which causes inflammation in my tissues (prostate)..

I guess I will stick with my 0 alcohol policy, try and stay away form dairy.. maybe watch the tomatoes.. and try to heal my digestive system and adrenal glands?

It just sucks because there seems to be no one cause or cure for prostatitis.. i guess you gotta find what causes you problems.. I just dunno how I went almost a year with no cloudy pee then it appears again? and this time im not nearly stressed like I was.. and in general have been sleeping pretty well (Although staying up too late) - except for last night when i kept waking up for some reason.
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Something to consider?

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Wednesday, August 29, 2007

Pollen Extract Effective in Treating Prostatitis


Cernilton Efficacy in Prostatic Adenoma and Chronic Prostatitis
Urologiia, 2007 May-Jun;(3):35-7, 39.

Cernilton is a phytodrug containing pollen extract. It has antiandrogenic and anti-inflammatory effects influencing alpha1-adrenoblockers located in the zone of the detrusor and urethra.

A conservative therapy with cernilton was given to 72 patients with chronic prostatitis and prostatic adenoma of stage I-II. Detailed urologic examination before the treatment and after it demonstrates that cernilton is effective, safe and well tolerated medicine for prostatic adenoma and chronic prostatitis. Cernilton is recommended for wider use in the treatment of patients with prostatic adenoma and chronic prostatitis.
https://apitherapy.blogspot.com/2007/...-treating.html

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thanks kind.. i had heard about hat before.. i might give it a try.. also just got some https://www.iherb.com/New-Chapter-Pro...psules/96?at=0

Also got some quercitin that I will try. It just sucks.. ive been dealin with this issue for a year now.. and in general it seems to have gotten better, but this past week seems like some symptoms have come back.. im thinking it may have something to do with food allergies in some way..

gonna try and avoid gluten/dairy/white flour/tomatoes.. hoping that will help. I dunno why its such a chronic problem. IS it yeast? is it some entrenched bacteria/parasite.. is it just a toxic load from food allergies/leaky gut storing up in my prostate.. or antibodies that get stuck in the prostate and then get irritated when i eat certain foods.. i dunno
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Antimicrobial peptides, innate immunity, and the normally sterile urinary tract. Full text online.,

I have to self catheterize 5 times a day as my bladder does not function at all. I used to be very prone to Urinary tract infections to the extent that I took a low dose antibiotic every day to keep the situation under control. After reading the above paper I increased my vitamin d3 intake
Ideally 1000iu daily for each 25lbs you weigh Make sure you take it daily and don't stop even in summer. It may be worth getting a 25(OH)D test after 3 Months to be sure you have reached around 60ng/ml.
Getting plenty of sunshine as well will help to keep a store of vitamin D3 to help fight infections.

You may also find it helps to drink GREEN TEA best made with GREEN TEA LEAVES (better grade tea than bags) Use water off the boil and don't let it brew from more than 2 mins.


Quercetin is mentioned in this paper as having a good evidence base.

Part of the problem is INFLAMMATION and it worth remembering that omega 3 and magnesium are both anti inflammatory agents that most people have insufficiency levels of (like vitamin d) Cutting omega 6 intake and making sure you are NOT OVERWEIGHT (fat cells produce pro inflammatory cytokines) also helps.

This paper suggest Lycopene, Selenium, and saw palmetto work together to improve the situation
Treatment of chronic prostatitis/chronic pelvic pain syndrome category IIIA with Serenoa repens plus selenium and lycopene
Lycopene

Selenium and prostate Check if you live in an area of selenium deprivation or toxicity first. It varies a lot and you'll only benefit from supplementing with it if levels are low.

New customers can get a $5 discount at IHERB with code WAB666.
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Hi Ted,

Thanks! Those are some interesting links.. The study on vitamin D connection with urinary tract immunity is very interesting.. Certainly could play a role.. I remember right before I first developed prostatitis I had some blood tests and my doc said my vitamin D was low and that I should supplement.. I didnt take it too seriously, then shortly after I got prostatitis... then a few weeks ago I go back to the doc (year later) again, my vitamin D level is below normal, she tells me to supplement, and this week I notice some prostate symptoms flaring up again.

Now it may not be the total cause, but it certainly seems that it could play a role. Ive been using these https://www.iherb.com/Carlson-Labs-Dd...-ml/10364?at=0 everyday, getting like 6-8K IU's a day.. also TRYING to get out in the sun a little more. I suppose I just need to re-test myself regularly to ensure my levels get to a healthy range.

The New Chapter supplement im taking has saw palmetto, green tea, nettle, ginger, and a few other things. In addition im taking a quercitin supplement daily. Just started that. Im hoping these two will have some good effect, seems like they will based off the user reviews about them.

Ive heard some good things about lycopene aswell... but im trying to avoid tomatoes right now as im suspicious they might be causing me some kind of allergy (maybe not). I wonder if the lycopene supplements would cause a reaction in someone who was allergic to tomatoes.

I really believe theres a big connection with my gut/intestinal health and allergies. IT could be that my gut flora are out of wack, and maybe a little leaky gut going on. Then when I eat certain foods, it triggers an immune response which releases inflammatory antigens and mast cells which inflame the prostate. I feel like If I can truly heal my gut from all the stress/antibiotics/improper diet ive put it through.. that could heal the prostate.

When I first started having issues with it a year ago.. my butt was itching quite a lot, and throbbing a bit, which could be some kind of yeast/or fungal thing/dysbiosis.. I also noticed, when I would drink beer, the next day my urine would get cloudy.. clearly a connection there.

This time though, my butt isnt itchy at all (feww).. but I ate a few spicy things, some pretty spicy mustard, and then some thai food which was a bit spicy/sugary + some white bread + tomatoes.. then the following day - cloudy pee.

Now I havent noticed any cloudiness the past few days, or any real symptoms.. except maybe a slightly diminished erection capability.. + weak ejaculation (used to shoot, now it just dribbles).

Im sorry to hear that you have to catherize daily.. how did that happen to you? do you know what caused it?

Thanks guys.
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Im sorry to hear that you have to catherize daily.. how did that happen to you? do you know what caused it?
Late effects of polio. Nerves to bladder packed up so no control.

Vitamin D will improve androgen levels and increase testosterone.
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