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\nA new hypothesis that focuses on reactive oxygen species (ROS) proposes that antioxidant levels within cancer cells are a problem and are responsible for resistance to treatment.
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\n The theory destroys any reason for taking antioxidative nutritional supplements, because they �more likely cause than prevent cancer,� according to Nobel laureate James Watson, PhD, from Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory, New York.
\n Dr. Watson, who shared the Nobel prize for unraveling the structure of DNA, regards this theory as being �among my most important work since the double helix,� notes a press release from his institution, where he has been director since 1968.
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\n The theory was published online January 8 in Open Biology.
\n Dr. Watson explains that the vast majority of agents used to directly kill cancer cells, including ionizing radiation, most chemotherapeutic agents, and some targeted therapies, work by generating � either directly or indirectly � ROS that block key steps in the cell cycle.
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\n This generation of ROS creates a hypoxic environment in which cancers cells undergo a transformation from epithelial to mesenchymal cells (EMT).
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\n These transformed cells almost inevitably posses very high amounts of antioxidants, which effectively block the effects of anticancer treatments, Dr. Watson notes. Once a cancer becomes resistant to chemotherapy, it usually is equally resistant to ionizing radiation, he points out.
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\n In addition, these transformed EMT cancer cells generate free-floating mesenchymal cells, which have the flexibility and movement that allows them to metastasize to other body locations (brain, liver, lung). �Only when they have moved do most cancers become life-threatening,� Dr. Watson notes.
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\n Interestingly, the widely used antidiabetic drug metformin has been shown to preferentially kill mesenchymal stem cells. �In a still much unappreciated article published 3 years ago,� metformin added to chemotherapy �induced prolonged remission if not real cures� in mouse models of cancer ( Cancer Res. 2009;69:7507-7511), Dr. Watson writes. He notes that clinical trials are currently looking to see if adding metformin to chemotherapy provides clinical benefits, but adds that diabetics who have been using metformin regularly have a reduced incidence of many cancers.
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\n Resistance to Therapy From Antioxidants in Cancer Cells
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\n Dr. Watson proposes that anticancer therapies work by generating ROS, which cause apoptosis. However, as cancer cells evolve, they produce antioxidant proteins that block this effect, such as glutathione, superoxide dismutase, catalase, and thioredoxin.
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\n The fact that cancer cells largely driven by RAS and Myc are among the most difficult of cancers to treat could be due to their high levels of ROS-destroying antioxidants, Dr. Watson argues. High antioxidative levels might also explain the effective incurability of pancreatic cancer, he adds.
\n If this theory is correct, then drugs that lower antioxidant levels within cancer cells would be therapeutic. In fact, the ROS-generating agent arsenic trioxide has been shown to reduce levels of glutathione and thioredoxin. Arsenic trioxide is currently being used to treat promyeloblastic leukemia, but this theory suggests that the drug could be useful in many major cancers.
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\n Nutritional Antioxidants Could Be Harmful
\n One far-reaching implication of this theory is that antioxidants as nutritional supplements, including beta-carotene, vitamins A, C, and E, and selenium, could be harmful in cancer.
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\n For years, such supplements have been widely hyped for cancer prevention and/or treatment, as has encouragement to eat colorful fruit and berries, which contain antioxidants.
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\n The time has come to seriously ask whether antioxidant use more likely causes than prevents cancer.
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\n However, Dr. Watson warns that recent data strongly hint that much of the untreatability of late-stage cancer might be the result of �its possession of too many antioxidants, [so] the time has come to seriously ask whether antioxidant use more likely causes than prevents cancer.�
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\n Many nutritional intervention trials have shown no obvious effectiveness in preventing gastrointestinal cancer or in lengthening mortality, he writes. �In fact, they seem to slightly shorten the lives of those who take them.�
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\n Hence, he concludes, �blueberries best be eaten because they taste good, not because their consumption will lead to less cancer.�
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\n Very Complex Process
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\n Maurie Markman, MD, national director for medical oncology at the Cancer Treatment Centers of America, who writes the MedscapeMarkman on Oncology blog, was asked to comment on the theory.
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\n �The importance of the critical relationship between oxidating activity and antioxidants in the normal functioning of cells has been recognized by many investigators, and it is not surprising that this process would be quite relevant in cancer. However, it must be emphasized that this is a very complex process and the balance between these powerful influences at the cellular level is certain to be very carefully controlled. Further, it should be noted that antioxidants are components of our normal diets. Finally, while a provocative concept, it is most unlikely that a simple approach to somehow removing antioxidants from the body will be a useful strategy in cancer management,� he explained.\r\n
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\r\n \r\n But you do have to retain your common sense when reading any research or hypothesis.
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\nIt doesn\'t take long to find out what controls MYC
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\nVitamin D receptor as a master regulator of the c-MYC/MXD1 network
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\nVitamin D is an antioxidant, so throw antioxidants out of your supplements and you lose control of MYC regulation and allow cancer cell replication to go unhindered.
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\n" The circadian rhythm regulator (PER2) by negatively regulating Myc levels functions as an important tumour suppressor"
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\nBut we all know what controls circadian rhythm.
\nThe ANTIOXIDANT melatonin.
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\nIt\'s absolutely true that if you work shifts or otherwise disrupt melatonin secretion you increase your cancer risk.
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\nFrom dawn to dusk your body is set to produce the ANTIOXIDANT Vitamin D3 and from dusk to dawn it\'s supposed to create the ANTIOXIDANT Melatonin.
\nDo we think that the Evolutionary process got it absolutely wrong by setting human DNA to produce antioxidants 24/7 whenever it gets the chance?
\nit\'s just unbelievable anyone can suggest that antioxidants such as vitamin D and melatonin are the cause of cancer.
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\nIf you don\'t believe me go to pubmed and search for the antioxidant CURCUMIN and CANCER and you\'ll seeABOUT 2000 different papers explaining the different ways this antioxidant also helps reduce your cancer risk or improves your cancer prognosis.
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\nSure there is a lot of extremely poor research into the roles of antioxidants but that is partly a reflection of the researchers and not the fault of the antioxidants.
\nHow many of these studies used synthetic rather than natural antioxidants?
\nHow many papers are based on what are thought to be the least effective form of Vitamin E rather than the most effective forms?
\nIf you were running a trial on selenium would you say the same daily intake was to be used in areas of selenium toxicity and in areas of selenium deficiency. In other words is the the amount that goes in the mouth that matters to the level in the body that counts?
\nIt\'s the same with Vit D research. All they are bothered about is oral intake and not achieving the 25(OH)D that humans living as human DNA evolved naturally reach vitamin D equilibrium.\r\n
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Default Cancer Hypothesis Suggests Antioxidants Are Harmful

Oh my goodness! Say it ain't so. I sure hope more research will indicate that the hypothesis is too simple to be realized. I don't eat much fruit anyway. I'm concerned with the salicylic acid content. Apples are the worse, except for the golden and red delicious. Aspirin allergy is my concern.

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A new hypothesis that focuses on reactive oxygen species (ROS) proposes that antioxidant levels within cancer cells are a problem and are responsible for resistance to treatment.

The theory destroys any reason for taking antioxidative nutritional supplements, because they �more likely cause than prevent cancer,� according to Nobel laureate James Watson, PhD, from Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory, New York.
Dr. Watson, who shared the Nobel prize for unraveling the structure of DNA, regards this theory as being �among my most important work since the double helix,� notes a press release from his institution, where he has been director since 1968.

The theory was published online January 8 in Open Biology.
Dr. Watson explains that the vast majority of agents used to directly kill cancer cells, including ionizing radiation, most chemotherapeutic agents, and some targeted therapies, work by generating � either directly or indirectly � ROS that block key steps in the cell cycle.

This generation of ROS creates a hypoxic environment in which cancers cells undergo a transformation from epithelial to mesenchymal cells (EMT).

These transformed cells almost inevitably posses very high amounts of antioxidants, which effectively block the effects of anticancer treatments, Dr. Watson notes. Once a cancer becomes resistant to chemotherapy, it usually is equally resistant to ionizing radiation, he points out.

In addition, these transformed EMT cancer cells generate free-floating mesenchymal cells, which have the flexibility and movement that allows them to metastasize to other body locations (brain, liver, lung). �Only when they have moved do most cancers become life-threatening,� Dr. Watson notes.

Interestingly, the widely used antidiabetic drug metformin has been shown to preferentially kill mesenchymal stem cells. �In a still much unappreciated article published 3 years ago,� metformin added to chemotherapy �induced prolonged remission if not real cures� in mouse models of cancer ( Cancer Res. 2009;69:7507-7511), Dr. Watson writes. He notes that clinical trials are currently looking to see if adding metformin to chemotherapy provides clinical benefits, but adds that diabetics who have been using metformin regularly have a reduced incidence of many cancers.

Resistance to Therapy From Antioxidants in Cancer Cells

Dr. Watson proposes that anticancer therapies work by generating ROS, which cause apoptosis. However, as cancer cells evolve, they produce antioxidant proteins that block this effect, such as glutathione, superoxide dismutase, catalase, and thioredoxin.

The fact that cancer cells largely driven by RAS and Myc are among the most difficult of cancers to treat could be due to their high levels of ROS-destroying antioxidants, Dr. Watson argues. High antioxidative levels might also explain the effective incurability of pancreatic cancer, he adds.
If this theory is correct, then drugs that lower antioxidant levels within cancer cells would be therapeutic. In fact, the ROS-generating agent arsenic trioxide has been shown to reduce levels of glutathione and thioredoxin. Arsenic trioxide is currently being used to treat promyeloblastic leukemia, but this theory suggests that the drug could be useful in many major cancers.

Nutritional Antioxidants Could Be Harmful
One far-reaching implication of this theory is that antioxidants as nutritional supplements, including beta-carotene, vitamins A, C, and E, and selenium, could be harmful in cancer.

For years, such supplements have been widely hyped for cancer prevention and/or treatment, as has encouragement to eat colorful fruit and berries, which contain antioxidants.

The time has come to seriously ask whether antioxidant use more likely causes than prevents cancer.

However, Dr. Watson warns that recent data strongly hint that much of the untreatability of late-stage cancer might be the result of �its possession of too many antioxidants, [so] the time has come to seriously ask whether antioxidant use more likely causes than prevents cancer.�

Many nutritional intervention trials have shown no obvious effectiveness in preventing gastrointestinal cancer or in lengthening mortality, he writes. �In fact, they seem to slightly shorten the lives of those who take them.�

Hence, he concludes, �blueberries best be eaten because they taste good, not because their consumption will lead to less cancer.�

Very Complex Process

Maurie Markman, MD, national director for medical oncology at the Cancer Treatment Centers of America, who writes the MedscapeMarkman on Oncology blog, was asked to comment on the theory.

�The importance of the critical relationship between oxidating activity and antioxidants in the normal functioning of cells has been recognized by many investigators, and it is not surprising that this process would be quite relevant in cancer. However, it must be emphasized that this is a very complex process and the balance between these powerful influences at the cellular level is certain to be very carefully controlled. Further, it should be noted that antioxidants are components of our normal diets. Finally, while a provocative concept, it is most unlikely that a simple approach to somehow removing antioxidants from the body will be a useful strategy in cancer management,� he explained.
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