\r\n \r\n The only ones I can identify with, are Nos 10 and 11.
\r\nPlus the fact that I feel uncomfortably full. :x
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\r\nIf I had ALL those reactions like you do, you can bet
\r\nyour Bippy I\'d remember to stay away from the breads
\r\nand pastas, which I do.
\r\nThe Cheesecake Now, that\'s a different matter
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\r\nThe only thing I often miss is the Cornbread :wink:\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Today my husband and I ate lunch at Arby\'s. Something we rarely ever do anymore. Anyway this evening my husband said he has a headache - most likely from the "food" he had at lunch - roast beef sandwich, fries, and root beer. One of his co-workers treated with ice cream in the afternoon at work. So he was loaded up with junk food.
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\r\nI had the same thing for lunch, but no ice cream in the afternoon. I felt slow and sluggish, took a nap, and am still dragging. I think junk food doesn\'t agree with me so well.
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\r\nI know for a fact, my son gets real ssssssslllllooooww when he gets too much sugar/proccessed foods.
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\r\nAs you keep on eating well, you will begin to feel better all the time. Then it will be harder to eat the junk because you will remember how bad it makes you feel. I can\'t say for sure how long it took us to become comfortable in our new eating habits. But it will happen. Even our children will say something about how the foods we used to eat and thought they were good, now taste yucky! I was surprised by my oldest son, when grandma baked a cake-mix cake, especially for him, and he told me later "It wasn\'t even good!" (I use all whole wheat flour in anything I bake)
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\r\nOne tip I found to help me with the mindless eating - when I was bored or whatever, I prepared carrot and celery sticks, put them in my fridge, and said to myself, "If I\'m hungry - I\'ll eat these!" It did help when I really felt like munching on something - and when I really wasn\'t hungry, they weren\'t appealing like the cookies or pretzels would have been.
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\r\nAs you begin to feel better and look better - it gets easier to stick with the good eating. You feel better about yourself! Keep up the good work! It sure is worth it!\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Just me, what a wonderful post! It\'s so good to learn how people discover the dangers of junk food. I often long to get on a soapbox just to rant about proper food.
\r\nSharon\'s post is so valuable. Husband and I have been eating local organic food ONLY for some time now. One of the first things we noticed about real food, is that it tastes so much better. It has substance, and flavour.
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\r\nEven eating an organic lettuce leaf feels more like a food than it\'s supermarket counterpart, and we don\'t need so much food for our appetites to be satisfied. We have lost weight and feel better than when we ate in the old way.
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\r\nDrinks too - in the heat of this summer I needed some water but only bottles of the Coke and Fanta type were on sale in one place. I bought a bottle because I had to drink something, but the taste - Oh yuk! The sugar content made my mouth feel awful, and the flavourings were nothing more than a kid\'s chemistry set.
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\r\nWhen we want snacks we eat nuts and raisins, or a rice cake with cheese, or fruit. WE just don\'t buy cakes, cookies or snacks of that kind, so we have to eat what\'s in the house or go without. It\'s a bit spartan sometimes, but we wouldn\'t change back to the old unhealthy ways.
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\r\nSo you are well on the way to perfection! Good luck and please keep telling us your progress. Everyone needs to know.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n The key to this thread is \'Processed Carbs.\' I have read
\r\nso many articles against the Atkin\'s diet that I cannot
\r\neven count them. Paid for, I\'m sure, by the processed
\r\ncarb industry.
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\r\nNowhere in his writings, (I have ALL of his books) does
\r\nhe advocate eliminating carbs.
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\r\nBecause carbs come in two sizes, natural and processed,
\r\nhis opponents have a field day with the general public\'s
\r\nincredible lack of knowledge of simple nutrition.
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\r\nTake your carbs in the natural form of fruit, berries, veggies
\r\nand you\'ll feel and look great. As close to raw as you can.
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\r\nYou only need a small amount (6 ounces) of protien/day
\r\nto stay healthy. (More is not going to hurt you, but your
\r\nsystem gets overloaded with it\'s processing duties.)
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\r\nEat well, ignore the press about diets and thumb your nose
\r\nat the rest of the sickly world.
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\r\nI\'m not insensitive to people with weight related problems,
\r\nonly realistic. Our attempts to explain this simple theory
\r\nALWAYS meets with skepticism.
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\r\nEven after someone comments on how good my wife and/or
\r\nI look, when we lay out this simple explanation, the person(s)
\r\neyes sort of glaze over. (we\'re approaching 70 and take no meds.)
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\r\nI think it\'s just the thought of giving up Krispy Cremes, potao chips
\r\nCoke, Pepsi and Twinkies that just overwhelms them.
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\r\nOh well, we\'ll just soldier on! :wink:\r\n

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\r\n \r\n JPS, good for you, and I\'ve seen so many of those glassy stares that my response to the question of why I look 15 years younger than 60 has been truncated simply to "I learned how to eat."
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\r\nStarting in mid \'03 I dropped 40 pounds on a strict Atkins regimen. Since then I\'ve dropped another 5 pounds via carb restriction (not abstinence) and I don\'t count carbs, calories or grams of anything. Truly, it\'s a matter of lifestyle change rather than just diet, and just me -' + '- if you need additional motivation please re-read the third paragraph on page 2-13 of Cancer Control: Your Integrative Strategy. Among other beneficial effects, reduced carb intake activates important lifespan influencing genes. The "discoveries" you list in your first post are good proof that you need to stay the course. You go, girl!\r\n

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\r\n \r\n I have learned to be much more sympathetic toward anyone who has a lot of weight to lose. I had just 10 pounds that I wanted to get rid of (mostly abdominal fat), but no matter what I did, I could not lose a single pound. There wasn\'t much in my diet that I thought I needed to change.
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\r\nI have read all the diet books-' + '-from South Beach, Omega Zone Diet, Mercola No Grain Diet, Eat Right For Your Blood Type, Schwartzbein Principle (all three books), Bone Density Diet, Metabolic Typing, Ann Louise Gittleman\'s Fat Flush, Maker\'s Diet, Rosedale Diet, Cheri Calbom\'s The Coconut Diet, Eat Fat, Lose Fat by Enig and Fallon. But I think that the one I would recommend above all of these is Ultra-Metabolism by Mark Hyman.
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\r\nOne principle from Schwarzbein, "You don\'t lose weight to get healthy, you have to get healthy to lose weight."
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\r\nHere is one tip that I learned from one of these books, I don\'t remember which one-' + '-probably Ultra-metabolism. A study was done, I think testing vinegar for controlling insulin in diabetics. One of the things that they learned from the study was that those who took 2 tbsp of vinegar 20 minutes before each meal lost an average of 2 pounds a month while eating the same number of calories as the controls.
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\r\nTwo pounds a month is not much for someone who has a lot of weight to lose, but for me it is working when nothing else did.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Below are some links to Dr�s Mercola�s and Douglass� newsletters both have had much to say about diets and dieting, but it does require a little searching.
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\r\nhttps://www.mercola.com/article/insulin.htm
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\r\n \r\n Thanks, JPSavage, for abbreviating your typed lines.
\r\nIt makes it so much easier to read and to see who the
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\r\n \r\n sorry ya\'ll, I promise I havent been out right ignoring you... I have been reading responses, but havent been up to posting.... mainly, because Ive been trying to get out of the carb binge.....and also, because big black labs cant be seen very well in the dark, and 300plus pounds hitting the floor makes for a very very sore body..... Imagine my surprise and thankfulness to God when I discovered that nothing was broke (cant imagine why the knee didnt shatter!?!) So been dealing with a sore back, leg, arm, and a headache from hell for the last week.... Today was actually the first day Ive been able to go back to the gym.....Not sure if the pain was as much from the fall as the carbs tho.. its really hard to tell....
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\r\nAs much as I would like to say, quitting carbs has been really easy, I cant... It\'s hard!!! that first bite kills me, and having it in the house always seems to bring that first bite..... My kids have been real good about not having it here. We basically have stopped buying bread and all those bread goodies. I cant eat noodles or rice, because when I had my stomach stapled in the 90s, for some reason when I eat them, it causes me to vomit????(Is there a nicer way to say vomit?) Anyway, we have an extended family member, who has been spending alot of time here, and even tho I asked him not to bring the junk in, he feels he needs them and brings them in anyhow (gosh, how can you resist sausage and cheese biscuts, or taco bell???) ..... Also, I have been babysitting grandkiddos, and they too have been getting cereal, and sandwhiches...which while I know its not good for them, or me... I couldnt afford to do otherwise.... its one thing to feed just us living in the house a noncarb diet, but it gets really expensive to feed us and three more... I know, I know, excuses excuses... I am so sick of excuses..... what it boils down to, is that I am easily addicted... is that a vitamin deficency!!!!! It seems I have no will power, and not a very good self esteem, (when it comes to me, not my job or my kids).... It will be a long battle, unfortunately one I was hoping to see me win by next may (turning 50) but am really afraid that 200 pounds isnt going to able to be lost in 10 months.... I will say, that I havent gained the twenty pounds that took me 8 months to loose (???) and this last carb binge didnt put any weight back on.... I was actually pretty proud of myself..... I didnt binge too bad, (most wouldnt even call it a binge) a bowl or two of cereal, two grilled cheese sandwich one day... a candy bar one day (choc), a sausage cheese crossiant one day, but even that amount seems to make me hurt and slow, real slow ... so I know that I shouldnt be eating it..... But, I am back on the wagon again (where did that phrase come from?) I went to the gym this morning, and have had no carbs today, and didnt have any yesterday.. I did have a diet pepsi yesterday, but thats another whole addiction in itself!!!!!
\r\nThank you all for the great advice..... You know, its always funny to hear me say it, but when I see fat people, I cringe.... one of my first reactions, is always, gosh am I that bad???? second one is, hey, I know how to fix you....and when I recently saw pictures of my sister\'s daughters, my thoughts were gee sister had a goiter, wonder if there are thyroid problems with all of them, and then wonder about me... yes I know, simple blood test, but for now, thats not even possible money wise.. I am so prejudice against fat people, and I have made my children prejudice against them also... and I have been fat most of my life.... isnt that strange... my oldest son doesnt even think fat people should be acknowledged.... but he wont ever say a bad word about mom (so strange?!) I think one of my hardest problems was, that I never saw me as obese... I didnt have a scale, so I never weighed, and when I looked in the mirror, I saw a me from ten years ago, when I was weighing around 175-200... yes that is still over weight, but not obese....and I dont understand. I once told my daughter and son in law (on a being honest day) that when I looked in the mirror I saw a person that was this big, and held my hands out about two feet apart....son in law sort of laughed, and said I missed it by alot, that I was cutting off about half of myself.... (yes it was okay, becus I was asking for help) so, maybe thats when my eyes started being opened... Im not sure how I could have lied to myself like that, but at times i will look in the mirror and see not the truth, but a lie..... (hehehe, then all I have to do is turn sideways, maybe thats my problem, I never looked at the side view!!!)
\r\nThe thought of giving up the food is ok with me most of the times.... but during stress times, I tend to revert back to the need food to hide the emotions.... food has always been my crutch. a mayo sandwhich is so much more soothing to me then crispy creams, I can give up the donuts, its the biscuts and breads that have always been my downfall.... And that mocha mudslide cream pie did me in this time!!!! The stress of having an out of town guest for two weeks, just sort of won out.... And heres the clincher ya\'ll while she was here, eating my cooking, and even tho she cheated a couple of times, and I didnt (well until the mocha mudslide) she went to town and ate junk food in her car!!!! She lost about five pounds while she was here. went down a pants size!!!! So apparently for the most part Ive got the food part down.... if I can stay away from the carb bingeing!!!!
\r\nAardvark, will reread the book, man thats got good stuff in there...
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\r\nI eat alot of vinegar, use to drink a cup of hot water with vinegar and honey as my first morning drink, maybe i need to get back into that.....
\r\nA friend of mine, that I met off the other board, sent me something he brewed up, called furnace fuel. its suppose to help rev up metabolism... its got horseradish root, prickley pear, ginger root, and cayenne, its doing something... sort of feels like a hot flash for about a half hour after I take it, so we shall see.... I am doing alot of little things.... still taking the vitamin c and the b vitamins..... sticking with my kefir, and was given a kombucha mushroom, so have been drinking the kombucha, sort of taste like vinegar, but starting to get use to it!!!!!
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\r\nSo, questions... how much exercising is too much.... I have been going to the maxima gym.... I dont know if thats a corporate name, or the local name... but they have a work out that you do each machine for about ten seconds as fast as you can, and do steps in between each machine for 10 seconds, and the whole round of exercise takes 15 minutes, and thats suppose to be as good as doing a half hour????? So I have been trying to do that every morning, and if the tredmill is empty (yes they have more then one, but there is a weight limit problem on all but one) I will walk on the tredmill for about 15 minutes..... if its not empty, I will go to the track at the school and walk the track for a mile.. about 15 minutes... then in the evening, me and the big black lab go back to the track and walk it again.... two laps make a mile, and the dog is out of shape and fat like me, so thats our limit for now... dont want her to keel over from a heart attack while we are walking!!!! she wont stop, she sticks right by my side the whole way, no matter how hard it is for her!!!!... Do I need to add more exercises in there...... anybody???? Next question, if I end up having to pay out money and find out I do have a thyroid problem, does that make me fat for life???? I have been taking iodine, but I am trying to be cautious with it, since i am dosing myself, (with a little help from some friends) I did five drops in a liter of water once a day for a couple of months, and have now stopped... Do I need to keep going???? Can taking iodine help a thyroid problem?
\r\nI am still reading that adrenal exhaustion book... got stalled in the emotions section... well let me tell the truth here, I read the book, up until it got into the emotions part of the book, and then put it down... havent read it since.... and another good looking friend of mine, suggested I read Dr phils book. And he makes some good points, but I got to the part where we are suppose to deal with the emotions, and put the book down.... Do we see a trend here????? (LOL) Grandkids are gone now, back to school, so I have more time to read and get into this emotional haystack that I have..... Wonder if we can do it without doing a chocolate binge?????
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\r\nSo, I am still on track..... sort of.... well I havent fallen off completely.... I have this burning desire to be at a goal weight of between 137 - 150 for my fiftyth birthday..... that gives me ten months..... but then again, back in January, I wanted to be 100 pounds lighter by July for a family reunion.... needless to say, I missed the family reunion, couldnt stand the thought of a sister telling me what a failure I am..... so I made sure I had excuses not to go (the daughter being deployed again really helped that) But come birthday time, guys, thats like a new beginning for me.... a new start on life, and I want to go into that new life a healthy skinny person.... not an overweight heart attack waiting to happen, lazy assed person who cant accomplish life.... yes I know..... Im not that person, but then again, yeah I am...... I am not sure how I will do this.... do you know how frustrating it is, to exercise two sometimes three times a day, and eat everything right, and I was eating less then 1200 calories a day..... for over a month, only to gain three pounds????? My kids keep telling me that it was becus fat was being turned into muscle, and I understand that... I have lost sizes, (inches?) but those damn numbers mean a hell of alot to me..... Maybe I need to go back to counting the calories again to see if I am actually eating more then I should......
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\r\nOkay, this turned into a rambling on and on, and no Im not feeling sorry for myself, just frustrated... My first instinct when I start writing to ya\'ll about my weight is to throw it away and just not deal with it... but I have learned that when it comes to you all, that it is better for me to just type my heart out, dont reread it, and just post it.... soooooo thats what Im going to do... Im gonna just post it.... forgive the emotions..... can I blame pms????
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\r\nThis is off the wall, but has anyone heard from texas shabby chic lately...... I think I owe her a private message..... girl, are you out there??????? Im sorry, I didnt dessert you on purpose!!!! Holler girl Holler!!!!!!
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\r\nThe rest of you, thanks for putting up with me.... give what comments you feel I need, be as harsh and brutel as you have to be..... Im at the point of life where its time to get rough here, and I want bold honest truth..... and anyone want to come down here, and live with me and be my weight loss coach, come on down... i will find a way to get you here!!!!! thank you guys.... you all are awesome.... I appreciate you alot!!!!!\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Mary, Looks like stress is a real problem for you. I just read an article this morning about green tea for reducing stress.
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\r\nhttps://www.vrp.com/newsletterhtml.as...css&p=no&s=0#5
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\r\nScroll down about half-way to the article titles "L-Theanine."
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\r\nI\'m kind of addicted to caffeine so that\'s why I was interested in the article. It may not be one big thing that turns things around for you but maybe just a bunch of small changes. Hope this can help.
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\r\n \r\n Some miscellaneous and maybe irrelevant ramblings on a weighty problem.
\r\nIt has always been my opinion that the only reason a person gains excusive weight is because they eat an excusive amount of food. Of course individual body metabolism plays a roll, some people can eat like a horse and not put on any weight, and for others one extra calorie is instantly turned into fat. This is a real problem when friends are on their second and third helping and ask what is wrong don�t you like �their� food? How do you refuse gracefully, particularly when you actually want more?
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\r\nFoods that contain sugar or quickly convert to sugar need to be avoided, but they are usually the ones that make the meal enjoyable. So if one totally eliminates them from their diet they will make them selves miserable and probably not stay on the diet. Then even if they lose some weight using a particular diet as soon as they stop following the diet and go back to their old habits they will eventually find all of the weight that they lost and usually more.
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\r\nWhat is needed is a lifestyle change that one can actually live with. To me the key word here is moderation, eat whatever you want, with in reason, just don�t eat as much. I enjoy having a can of Coke with my meals, the real stuff not the diet, however I do not have to empty a three-liter bottle. Actually I will have half a can with lunch and the remainder with dinner. The rest of the day I have a thermos bottle of cold water that I regularity sip from. Desert is frequently half a chocolate chip cookie, ok these are large cookies. But I still have only half, I will take my time slowly nibbling away at it and thoroughly enjoy it. However even though chocolate cookies are the essence of all meaningful life I am not compelled to devour the entire box.
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\r\nDuring the day if I get hungry I will have a small hand full peanuts, or raisins, etc. I will not deprive myself of �anything�. But the key word here being �small�, just enough to satisfy the taste craving.
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\r\nFriend wife is over weight. She can eat twice as much as me in half the time, although she tries to deny it. Eating slower is one way to eat less, by eating slower you will have more time to enjoy the food more and are less likely to over eat. Also you need to stop eating as soon as you feel full, if this means leaving food on the plate so be it. Do not feel guilty leaving food because there is a starving kid in lower slobova, your stuffing yourself will not help him.
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\r\nOne way too slow down your eating is to have something to read. I cannot eat if I don�t have some thing to read be it a magazine, newspaper (also makes a good place mat for catching crumbs and spills) if nothing else is available even the label on a ketchup bottle
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\r\nWhether this is of any help I don�t know but it has worked for me.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n iS THIS the right place and time to tell you that I
\r\nmade some great Zucchini Muffins using Oat Bran
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\r\n \r\n Hello Ms Mary, sorry I am just now making an appearance...LIFE.
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\r\nIt doesn\'t really matter though as you already have some very good responses.
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\r\nI am proud for your determination to FIND a way even at this \'mature\' time of your life, to make healthy changes.
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\r\nI too am determined to continue to add healthy choices in life, which I think is what all of us continue to strive for.
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\r\nThe learning and applying of that learning is what it is all about.
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\r\nIt sounds like you have the determination, and you certainly have good support and good information/advice here among your friends.
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\r\nBe sure and check back in and allow us to know your success and failures, thus allowing your friends from afar speak words of encouragement.
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\r\nI wish you could just pack some of those pounds up and send them to me via over night express and charge it to my Visa, as just Sat while quickly dressing to dash to the farmer\'s market, I grenched at my reflection in the mirror.
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\r\nI am eating healthier and trying to be more faithful to quality supps than I ever have in my life, but look WORSE, and, of course, can\'t really distinguish how I FEEL as emotions are on daily roller coaster here. Then there are these dark circles under my tiny beady eyes I have never had before. (few allergies and I am getting plenty of sleep).
\r\nYes, I know I am the "mature 56 woman", but DARN can\'t those hands of time slow down a bit???
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\r\nI have become wayyyy too thin IMHO though I eat all the time (feeding that gnawing emotional monster), and would gladly purchase some of that weight from you...only if it is quality of course :wink: No mercury...etc
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\r\nMy friends try to tell me I look well, but trust me, they are only using their "kind words.
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\r\nIf you are still working out/walking in the Tx heat, my Tx hat is off to you. I have given up riding my bike as it doesn\'t cool off enough in the evening, and late nights here still searching for hope, makes mornings hard to get out.
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\r\nOne thing I do remember hearing from some \'specialist\' on one of Oprah\'s weight loss shows was...try to stay off the scales in the beginning (though Oprah added she found that VERY hard to do as we all want to SEE THOSE NUMBERS!)
\r\nMaybe just doing the best you can/know how to do for a large stretch, and seeing those threads fit better could be enough.
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\r\nCould it be like \'how old would you THINK you are if you didn\'t KNOW how old you are (not speaking of the times when I am not always sure how old I am Maybe visualize how much you have lost or are going to, and keep working to that goal.
\r\nWhen I hear of people who have just one day decided that today is the day, and then end up loosing tons all on their own (with family and friend support, of course), I am very impressed. It isn\'t easy in these days of hectic, on the go, fast food eating.
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\r\nThough I would really, really like to gain some weight, I do not want to go back to the unhealthy/less healthy eating to do so.
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\r\nOne good thing is that I have seen my little ole lady double chin fall away. Even as a thin younger person I have had a double chin. It could be the weight loss, but also late one night (early one morning), I remember hearing someone on a health program speak of how eating Salmon (O 3s) would help you loose that chin. The hr was soooo late that I was too foggy thinking to remember who and WHY/HOW.
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\r\nSo hang in there...keep putting one foot in front of the other...continue making the best choices you can in eating, and of course, always adding to that bank of knowledge to draw on.
\r\nSince you are still YOUNG and healthy...you can slip on occasion w/o any guilt and then turn right back around and start over.
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\r\nCome back here to get a \'charge\', then go right back with that strength we have all seen in you.
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\r\nI was about to wish you good luck, but realized luck has little if anything to do w/this.
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\r\nI will be anxious to see your success.
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\r\nOne more personal "little" thing I do that "might\' work for you.
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\r\nWhen funds are tight trying to support several struggling people in my life (or paying for a huge tuition bill,car repair...roof repair etc), I try to challenge myself to see how much I can NOT buy/spend. I make it a fun challenge, trying not to feel deprived. I know it sounds strange, but I really find joy in it.) Because I chose not to spend, I am able to help someone else.
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\r\n Maybe you can mentally talley how many sweets,carbs,bad fats,etc you have passed up, getting a thrill of seeing just how many things you have elected to give up, doing so only because you want to for years of better health.
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\r\nAll the OLDER and younger people I know would give many,many coins for better health, but strangely not willing to make healthier choices for their own good.
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\r\nNow I feel quite sure I am not alone in saying we will be looking for a progress posting, and worry not...eveyone is most probably used to us ramblers who stay up too late at night.
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\r\nLuck I will not wish you, but God\'s blessings I do. :wink:\r\n

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\r\nMari, I couldnt get that site to open, but I honestly think I am dealing better with stress in my life now a days. Well maybe its because I dont have alot of stress factors..... plus, I think I am getting myself to a point where I am learning that stressing over it isnt going to change anything, so its wasted effort, and I have a very nice friend, who keeps reminding me that God says do not worry!!!! When I start to panic, I will send an email, and invaribly, he sends one back telling me to quit crying, and buck up!!! And yes I need that more then anything!! So, I think I am learning to handle stress better, but I would really like to see these articles you posted and see what tricks they have to help!!!
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\r\nMad Sci, I love your posting, keep them coming, always lots of good info...... When I had my lap band surgury back in 90, I lost a total of a hundred and fifty pounds.... unfortunately, I didnt learn how to eat... a big downfall of the obesity doctors... and actually I learned to work around my surgury... I should have known something was wrong, when in the first six weeks( when you can only eat pureed foods), that I was pureeing pizza.... took in all the calories.... I stayed skinny for maybe two years, But then we bought a pizza joint, and the stress started pouring in.... and I became a nibbler. I couldnt eat alot at one time, so I would eat a little bit here, ten minutes later go back and eat a little bit and then a little bit more, to the point that I was grazing all day.. Until I finally reached over 300 pounds again. It has taken me two years, to finally get to a point, that I dont need bread, or potatoes. (rice and noodles I cant eat becus of the surgury) My sweet tooth seems to happen more during period times (or my chocolate days as we call them here) Ive never been one for having lots of cereal and junk food in the house, but I could binge on mayo and mustard sandwhiches all day long. I love fried seafood, and when we would go out, i would always order the seafood platter, and what I couldnt eat, I would take home and munch on the rest of the nite. I dont know portion control. I have been learning in these past couple of years, what I should and should not eat.... yeah its taken a while.... and believe I am getting alot better at it... I am learning, that sugar foods dont actually make the meal seem more pleasurable, but that they mask what the real food taste like... and that was a problem that I have always had, I need the taste, the sensation of different flavors to make me feel not hungry.... and I believe the carbs masked the flavors of other foods... Now that I am learning to eat different, I like the taste of veggies, the flavors range in such different styles, its hard to explain but I am learning to enjoy eating..... which brings me to your next point..... I keep trying to tell the grandson, that he eats so fast, he doesnt realize what he has eaten.... shoot he eats so fast, his mouth doesnt even get a chance to feel the food.... and I am no different... normally, I either eat while I am cooking for others, or eat while I am feeding others or doing something.... most times i wont eat till I am starving, and then I gobble it down..... Well, so for the past week, I have decided to eat two really good meals a day, and while I am eating, I am trying to actually do nothing else, but focus on the meal... I gave myself a 30 second rule, I take a bite, and chew it for thirty seconds.... If at the end of the thirty seconds, if the food is actually gone, I will take another bite, if it is not gone, I continue for another thirty seconds. This has slowed my eating down quit a bit. And I find that I am staying satisfied longer.
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\r\nIts funny, I dont go for seconds, still cant eat that much at one time. Like I said, the few times, I get to go out, I usually bring home a doggie bag, because I cant eat a full meal.... but then the leftovers will be gone before i go to bed.... I dont eat food in the middle of the night. I dont eat alot of candy, except for my chocolate days, but I have learned that taking magnesium helps those cravings.... For awhile I did have the whipped cream cravings, and everyonce in awhile still do, but I think it was/is because I dont get enough fat in my diet, and that may be why I crave icecream too. It has taken me over two years, to get to a point where I actually believe that I now have enough knowledge, and enough strength to finally lose weight..... Before I started this journey, I was a big bread eater. Bread, bagels, english muffins, biscuts some type of bread product at every meal.... my favorite was always toast with butter, peanut butter and jelly spread thick!!!! I drank soda non stop. If I didnt have diet coke, I had regular coke, If I couldnt get coke, I would take whatever I could get, as long as its carbonated. It would be nothing for me to down two liters of coke in a day, probably more. I still crave my carbonation, but can drink mineral water or club soda and be happy with it.... The only time I want a diet coke or coke, is when I get the first one, and then its sort of like the lays potatoe chip ad, cant eat (or drink) just one... the same thing with bread, if I get the first bite, I dont want to stop, I am hungry all day. So for me, its better to just not eat it..... And since Ive been getting off the breads for quite awhile now, I dont miss it as much.... When i actually started working on getting myself ready to go on a diet persay, I knew that it would have to be lifestyle changes, and not just a quick approach to get the weight off... So I stopped eating bread, stopped buying it...except for rare occasions. I switched over to drinking more water, and have concentrated on upping my water intake... My body seems comfortable with about three quarts a day. I stopped grazing, started eating real meals. I started making myself eat a breakfast of protein and veggies, and am now learning to add fat to that meal. I dont keep junk food in the house, (my kids hate that) so now if I get hungry, I either eat a spoon of peanut butter, or a few almonds or do without.... And i started reading as much as I could about losing weight. Unfortunately, I have a hard time reading for long times, so I cant get into any scientific studies, but I have read articles, and magazines, and "dieting for dummies" and diet books. and Dr Gerrys book (bifrost) I have tried to find out what makes skinny people skinny, and what makes me fat..... I have learned that skinny people actually do have a different lifestyle then fat people, and I started getting a collection of little tips of how to lose weight and how to be skinny, and have tried to change my lifestyle. And I think I have seen alot of progress. I was using the accupressure points to help control hunger, and yes I believe it works. I try to drink a glass of water before i snack to see if maybe I am just thirsty. I brush my teeth more often and I try to move more....
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\r\nOK, OK, I am rambling again...... Early Bird, the muffins sound great. They sound like they would be really healthy, and lots of fiber!!!! TSC, my friend, you amaze me!!!! If I could send you a few pounds, I would do it in a heart beat..... I wonder, isnt weight lose a sign of adrenal exhaustion..... That might be something for you to check out..... Thank you for the kind words, and the encouragement, I greatly appreciate it from you, as well as the others here......Still waiting for you to pack up that dear hubby of yours, and bring that travel trailer to this part of Texas.... might be a good idea to wait till after hurricane season... (knock on wood)
\r\nBut would love to have you and hubby take some rest time here!!!!! One of these days, Im going to turn my little ten acres of the world into a retreat area, to help rebuild hurting people.... Its a very peaceful, setting, and Im sure it would help you and hubby get rested... nothing fancy, just away from the rest of the world!!!!
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\r\nOne last thing, Dr. Gerry, I think I am understanding your book, and am trying to do the basic.... I go walking or use the gazelle after eating... nothing real strenuous, but try to make it a point to move.....I pulled your book out, and reread it again, and decided to try your suggestions...... I have also recently read on a thyroid site, that if someone has thyroid problems, that it will take a minimum of an hours worth of exercise to do any good..... So, I have increased my exercise.... I am still doing the early morning gym session of a half hour, and do the evening walk at the track (about 15 to twenty minutes). But have also added walking up and down my driveway while waiting for the bus twice a day I do about a half hour of laps each time. and then after I eat in the morning, I am trying to use the gazelle for ten minutes...... My poor body is telling me that it is better to be lazy!!!! But, I have seen a weight loss of 6 pounds in the last two or three weeks, and it has stayed off for a week..... And I noticed last night, that I am not as hungry as what I have been before.... Normally, I can eat a burger, veggies, and a salad.... Last night, I was going to eat after I came home from my walk, but was only able to eat half the burger, and not even half a baked potatoe.... this morning, it was the same thing, I was able to eat half of my meal, realized that I wasnt hungry anymore, and so stopped eating, saved it for lunch.... Is this because I am doing more exercise....... Ok, sidetracked here.... sorry, Gerry, my question for you..... if muscle consumes fat at rest, then it would logically be better for me to have exercise as the last order of the day. If I eat before bed, then according to what I think I am reading, I need to make sure that I do some sort of moving, exercise, whatever after I eat, before I go to bed.... am I saying that right????
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\r\nTidbits: Did I say I lost 6 pounds, and it has stayed off for a week now..... The doctor says that in order to get thyroid testing done, it will cost less then a hundred dollars???? anyone have any idea??? What specific test would I need?? And finally, Dr. Phil says to set realistic goals..... is twenty pounds a month a realistic goal, or am I shooting too high..... Okay, Sorry for this being soooo long, I think me and TSC would get along really well, we both have a tendency to ramble..... I bet she is a poet!!!!! Thanks everybody.. You are all super great!!!! (hmmmm I havent had muffins in over a year... well maybe that needs to be a goal, I will save my muffin time, for when the black berries are ripe, and then have fresh blackberry muffins!!!)\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Well it sounds like you have got a plan and are serious about following it. That is half the battle!
\r\nVisualize (meditation) in your mind what your long-term goal is, do this briefly every day perhaps when you are exercising. Do not dwell on your current condition; just were you want to be. This really works!
\r\nDo not worry if you do not see immediate change, you have worked long and hard to get to where you are now, you will not change that over night.
\r\nAgain if you can visualize what you want, you can achieve it! Nothing is impossible, but it may take awhile.
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\r\n \r\n JM, I\'d say you have the bull by the horns on this one.
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\r\nThough we all are on the big learning curve of good health, it seems you and I are just in the last couple of years getting our good/better health feet grounded.
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\r\nThough I have always \'tried\' to make healthy choices, not so very many yrs ago, only a very large bag of M&Ms would get me through my day of IRONING.
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\r\nThen when my husband became ill and I began searching, the veil was lifted from my eyes.
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\r\nThough my knowledge would only fill a thimble and have room left for my thumb, it is now VERY CLEAR, that it\'s the nutrition that we give our body that plays the largest role of good or bad health.
\r\nI understand that we are daily bombarded w/toxins (even before birth),and I am doing my best learning about how I can have \'some\' control over those, but that the ability to give our bodies the nutrition it needs is of utmost importance.
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\r\nLike many others, many of my friends all say things like, "well, it seems EVERYTHING is toxic...unhealthy...and/or going to cause cancer or SOMETHING, and you can\'t guarantee safety even doing all you know to do".
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\r\nTo that I gently try to respond, "yes, and we can\'t be guaranteed that a seat belt AND airbags will save our lives in the event of an accident, but you can bet I never get into a car w/o doing all I know to do to try to prevent death or mangling to myself and those I love.
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\r\nSorry it took the terminal/cancer words to get my attention.
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\r\nSadly because mainstream has used the word terminal/no treatment, my husband continues to make very unhealthy choices, which now, tear me apart.
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\r\nYes, I know only a \'bit\' about adrenal exhaustion (again about a thimble\'s full-maybe even only half full), but I don\'t \'think\' that is an issue for me-' + '-but then again, maybe so.
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\r\nActually, I think I have lost the weight because since I have become interested in the fungal link in our country\'s grains, I have given them up ALMOST completely.
\r\nI already knew, of course, that those simple carbs which were a vicious cycle feed for me, were not healthy, but then when I began to read/understand the link between how ALL of our grains are stored, thus exposing them/us to many really bad fungus\', I decided my health was not worth those grains, be they whole or half
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\r\nI now eat no processed foods, and "precious" little sugar. I try to eat mainly fresh fruits and veggies, adding a bit of chicken for protein. I do not adhere to NO carbs.
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\r\nI also indulge in IMHO, wayyyyy to much healthy organic yogurt. I am addicted to it. I add hands full of fresh berries and fresh ground flax, and that is how I justify eating soooooooo much.
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\r\nSo...I am pretty sure it is the NO GRAINS (or rather...VERY LOW grains, PRECIOUS low sugar, and no processed, rather raw foods that have caused my weight loss.
\r\nI really would like to gain some weight back, but want to make sure it is as healthy as possible.
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\r\nNow...if u could sell some of that weight, would you just be IN THE MONEY NOW. You could put it on Craig\'s list, and I WOULD BUY IT.
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\r\nPS, I am thinking you may just have a Gold Mine there w/your land. Just the \'get away thought\' makes it sound cool there. BUT DON\'T BE TRYING TO GET ME UP AT NO 4AM I\'m thinking that\'s before the roosters are up.
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\r\nAnyway girl, just keep slapping those feet one in front of the other. When that bd rolls around, you can be sending us all pics of the NEW YOU blowing out those candles. :wink:
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\r\nWell, it\'s not quite time for the roosters, but Mickey Mouse does say it\'s thirteen o\'clock,(does that date me or what), so I\'ll sign off, but we will all be waiting for more of your \'short\' reports of BIG loss.
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\r\nYou mentioned thyroid in one of your posts. Have you taken your basal body temp? Do you know how to do it? I know we have talked about it alot on the other forum, so I don\'t want to bore you. Anyway, I always had a very low temp. I had a blood test and the doctor said my thyroid was normal. These tests are not very accurate, about 20% from the research I have done. After supplementing with iodine, one drop of Iosol in juice daily, my temp has gone from 96 to 98.6. It took about a month for this to happen, and may have happened sooner if I had taken it every day. It has only been two weeks since my temp has been "normal", but I am hoping I will see some results soon such as weight loss ( I recently gained 10 lbs). Although, I do seem to have a lot more energy! No kidding! I have felt fatigued my entire life, and for no apparent reason, other than upping my iodine intake, I have energy! I also feel warmer. Which I hope means my metabolism has sped up and not a low grade fever! My sister and my cousin have hypothyroid. It seems to run in families. Just thought you might want to try taking your body temp. I\'ll let you know if there are any more positive results. One can only hope. Good luck!
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\r\n \r\n ok So I had my thyroid checked (twice actually) Before I had the test done, the only supplement for thyroid that I had used was iodine, small dose and not steady... Like I took it for a month, and then stopped, and started up, and might have taken it for about two weeks, but then made the decision to get tested, so quit taking it for about two weeks before I went to get tested..... The first time, all the doctor tested was my tsh level, even though I asked for the T3 and the T4. A week later, got a letter in the mail that said my tsh level was 7.850 mlU/ml.... normal range being 0.4 - 5.7 The day after I got tested, I started a regime that was suggested to me by someone I trust...... I started taking.... 1000mg Vit C, b complex, tyrosine 500 mg. (this brand I took says L-tyrosine, what does that mean?) Selenium 200 mcg, vit a 10,000 iu, cod liver oil for the vit d benefit, and I also started taking a liquid multi vitamin/mineral product.... and I started taking a product from nutri+meds called adrenal... its a whole desicatted glandular concentrate (bovine) 100 mg, and started back on the iodine.....Took all this for two weeks, went back to the doctor to see what his next step would be, and it was to do another blood test.... this time he tested for the tsh and the T3 and the T4.... finally got the results back last week.... my tsh levels went up.... ?????? it is now 9.688... my T3 was 29 and my T4 was 5.0 and my free thyroxine level was 1.5.... He gave me a prescription for levothyroxin 50 mcg tab one tablet daily.....ok, so I feel like Im giving in and giving up... I went ahead and started taking them...stopped all the herbal, because I didnt know what I could mix with what. A few questions now please...... Why would my tsh level go up once I started taking the supplements.. Does that mean that I had the wrong supplements???? Also, I am having a very long period, It started when I was taking the supplements, and has lasted almost two weeks now.... Since Ive stopped the supplements and started the script, it has gone to mainly spotting, but still there.... And it was a very very heavy period.... Very tired, feel totally drained..... Also, I have noticed lately, that I am getting really depressed.... Massively depressed. This is probably the first time in five years, that I have actually just felt like chucking it all and running away from home... I have never had a problem with being at home, I have always loved being home.... but now its driving me crazy.... I am trying to come up with ways of how I can get an outside job just so I can get out of the house..... Even knowing, that after Nov 3, the only time I will actually be able to get out will be maybe once a week if I am lucky (geesh, I have to fix this depression quick)..... What am I doing wrong???? I was doing so good with the eating and the exercising, but within the past week or so, I havent cared....I am not sure if it started before I was taking the medicine, or even if it started before I was taking the supplements,..... I dont actually know when it started, but its been at least a few weeks.... My first test was on Sept 11, so I started the supplements on the 12th of Sept.... then my next appointment was on the 26 of Sept, but I didnt start taking the script until Oct 3..... wait a minute.... the depression did start long before I started the script.... cus Ive only been taking the script for four days.... but Im not sure if its worse now or Im just noticing it more..... Oh, and as far as to what I am eating.... I stopped eating raw spinach, broccoli, cabbage and anything else I could find that was considered a goitergen.... I have no taste for anything, but meat..... The depression is taking such a hold again, that I dont want to cook.... I am finding the easy way out.... ordering sandwiches or pizza a few times.... eating canned soup.... nothing healthy.... oatmeal.... I dont want to cook... I dont want to do a damn thing.... I have to force myself to get out of bed, and go walking, I am still doing at least a half hour of walking three times a week... but try to go for an hours worth of walking a half hour on the gazelle and then about twenty minutes worth of exercise... I do that two times a week, and know I need to do it more, but I just dont have the energy..... And once I do the hours worth of exercise in the morning, I feel so drained, I cant get any housework done..... Am I going crazy???? Help!!!!!! Am I doing something wrong... I have to be.... How do I fix this.... The depression has me more concerned then anything..... I have to get rid of it as soon as possible...... What am I missing??? Do I sound like a whiny ass baby, who doesnt know how to tie her own shoes??? Thats what it feels like.... 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\r\n \r\n Mary - after re-reading all of this thread, it sounds to me
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\r\nHypothyroidism can cause depression. My sister was taking zoloft for years when she discovered she was hypothyroid. She is taking Synthroid, but is having a great deal of trouble getting off the zoloft. You didn\'t mention anything about your iodine levels after being tested. Taking too much iodine can actually cause hypothyroidism. You also didn\'t mention what your levels of anitbodies are. Were you even tested for that. If your levels of antibodies are high that can be Hoshimotos, which is an autoimmune disorder of the thyroid. I would recommend reading everything there is to read at this website:
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\r\nwww.thyroid.about.com (this is Mary Shomon\'s website)
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\r\nI receive a daily newsletter from Mary Shomon. I believe she has the most up-to-date information you can find about the thyroid. Just today I received an email with concerns about Levothyroxin! Anyway, There could be a plethera of reasons you are feeling the way you are and I think if you go to Mary Shomon\'s website, you will get a better understanding about the causes of hypothyroidism and the current testing that will help you get a handle on what is happening to you.
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\r\nJust thought I\'d mention that there are several quizes you can take on Mary\'s website to help you figure things out. I have taken them all! Also, I was wondering what your temperature is? It will be different in the morning than in the afternoon. If it is lower than 97.6 at any time you are probably hypothyroid. And personally, if I were to take thyroid medication it would be ArmourThyroid, which is not synthetic. Armour has T3 and T4. I am not a doctor, but it seems as though your T4 is not being converted into T3, or not being utilized correctly. You can learn about this on Mary Shomon\'s website. My cousin started taking thyroid meds about a year ago and it took almost that long for her to find just the right amount. She is also taking levothyroxin. She started at 50 mg. and is now taking 250 mg. Did you have your adrenals tested? If your adrenals are low, that can cause problems with the thyroid, too. Good luck!
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\r\n \r\n I don\'t know if this link will be useful. It\'s something I came across this morning.
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\r\nShall we have a new section for thyroid disorders? I see that there are three sections for prostate problems, in the disease section, but nothing for the thyroid.
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\r\n \r\n Sally B, sorry that I duplicated your link - LOL. You got there first.\r\n

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\r\nGreat minds think alike! Yes, I think a section for thyroid disorders is an excellent idea, too!
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\r\nJust thought I\'d throw this in. Maureen Salaman, Nutritionist, says that anytime you are deficient in any vitamin or mineral, you will become depressed! So, please don\'t stop taking your liquid vit/min supplement. By the way, what brand are you taking and where do you get it. I am taking a liquid mineral with vitamin capsules, but have been looking for a really good liquid vit/mineral formula. The less capsules the better. Thanks,
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\r\n \r\n Then, if just me agrees, we could move this thread to the new topic, as it now seems to have developed a thyroid malfunction, rather than a non-specific weight problem.
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\r\n \r\n sounds good to me, go ahead and move it.... Lady J, I just sent you a pm...... Sally and Early Bird, thanks for the info... as soon as I finish baths and dishes, I will sit down and start reading..... need to figure this out.... I feel like I am on a time line here..... Son leaves for Ft Jackson on the first weekend of November.... for another possible deployment to Iraq.... so he will be gone for 18 months if he passes all his medical exams (so wrong to wish your kid was sick).... The youngest daughter is stationed at the border, and will be there at least another year, and the other two kids are married out on their own with families of their own... one son still in Kosovo, and the pregnant daughter is in Indiana, so my support group sort of dwindled on me... hmmmmm but it will be ok.... all things work for good.... So this will all be fine, I just need to do some fine tuning I guess....
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\r\n \r\n sally, was rereading post, and just realised that I forgot to answer the temp question.... I ran my temperature for about five days in a row... I think I might have hit 97.1 one day, but the other times, it was below 97... like 96.6, 96.8 I think the lowest one day was 96.4.... and that with me putting the thermometer under my arm, rolling over so I was laying on my arm... and had a quilt on top of me.... laid that way until the snooze alarm went off nine minutes later..... so thats when I actually decided that I needed to go do blood work.... And as for the other test you mentioned... I had to ask for these results.... so they didnt offer anything else.....But I have to go up to their office this week anyway, I will see if I can get a copy of both sets of lab work results....\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Not wanting to throw this thread off track or anything, but I have a dumb question.... And I didnt really think it was worth the space of a whole new thread...... Because of my job and because my son has been gone so much, I have not been able to go to the track... geesh, Im lucky if I get to go to the gym.... So instead of walking the track, I walk up and down my driveway.....I live out in the country, so my driveway is fairly long..... We figured that if I walk up and down my driveway 15 times, that is approximately a mile.... (hmmm I remember a time when I could walk a 15 minute mile, now it takes me a half hour).... Anyway, my driveway is not concrete or asphalt or anything fancy... Its a regular gravel dirt driveway with lots of big rocks and holes and ups and downs..... I try to walk it a half hour in the morning and a half hour in the afternoon..... Well last night while I was shutting down my computer, I moved my arm, and my neck messed up. Sudden pain in the left side of the neck ( I am left handed, was moving my left arm) I have been in severe pain ever since. I am crooked, cant keep my head up straight, and when I do put it straight, it feels like I cant hold it up for very long...and then the right side of the neck starts hurting..... This is the second time within a months time that this has happened..... Could it be because of my walking the driveway???? Could the rocks and the bumps in the road be causing problems with my back.... I know that sounds dumb (Ok to me it sounds dumb) but I cant think of any other reason why its messing up so bad.... Last time it took three days, and then was still a bit sensitive for awhile after that......If its not the driveway, what else could I have done????? Anyone got any bright ideas??????\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Did you consider seeing a chiropractor? Sounds like something is out of whack.
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\r\n \r\n That happens to me sometimes when I\'m in the car and I turn my head to see behind me when I\'m backing up. I figured it was a pinched nerve. It usually takes a few days for the pain to go away. Maybe you should post that question on healthiertalk. There seem to be more knowledgable chiros there.
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\r\n \r\n I called a compounding pharmacist today, who also deals with homeopathics, because I was told that he could get the hormone testing done for me without me seeing a doctor. I have been wondering if I could be going into menopause, and wondered if that could also be one of my problems.... It was a very informative afternoon..... He set me up to do an adrenal stress panel and some type of insulin testing.... Also told me that if I had the wrong type of thermometer, then it would make a difference on the results of the basal temp thing.... Also told me to make sure I did the basal temp test 12days after the last day of a period... and test for 7 days.... said that would give him insite to my metabolic something, I cant remember what he called it.... He also informed me, that if my adrenals are messed up, then anything I took to help my thyroid, still wouldnt help me to lose weight..... aint that a piece of work.... now you would figure, that a regular doctor would know what to test for first... I asked my regular doctor if he could test me to check for adrenal problems while he was testing for the thyroid, and he said that we would work on the thyroid first, and if that didnt work, then we would test the adrenals... Supposedly to save me money, but I think it would cost more in the long run doing it his way. So, I am going to be spending some time and money trying to fit all these puzzle pieces together. I guess the saying of, it took me how many years to ruin my body, it will of course take time to rebuild it up, fits me well..... I may not be at my goal weight for my fiftyth birthday, but I will be the healthiest I can be, and I will still be slimmmer then what I am now.... Oh and by the way, on the positive note.... while it may have taken me 9 months to lose these 17 pounds that I lost, (I do believe losing is better then gaining).... I finally noticed last night, that I have lost 4 pants sizes.... so that made me feel really really good, so I treated myself today, and went and got my hair cut....cut a whole bunch off...... use to be half way down my back, now its just a bit longer then shoulder length, and changed the style, will have to get use to having bangs, instead of all my hair pulled back to keep it out of the way.....
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\r\nAs for my neck... it still hurts, but not as bad as it did yesterday.... I put a heating pad(well its not a pad, its a tubesock with rice in it heated in the microwave) on it last night before I went to bed.... But when I woke up this morning, I was sooo dizzy, stumbled around with the dizziness for over an hour. But, I was able to go walking today. I put the heating pad around my neck, sort of hoping that it would help while i was walking... it did seem to.... but I think part of the reason why it helped, was because it seemed like support, like it was holding my neck up.. But so I am on the mend.... Just need to figure out if my messed up driveway could be causing the problem......
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\r\nOk folks, I need to get some sleep..... I hope you all have a super nice day tomorrow.... or today I guess for you Lady Jo.... Thanks for all your help... I do appreciate all of you. \r\n

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\r\n \r\n I am beginning to think, that my neck problems are being caused by the levothyroxin. When my neck first messed up, I was in so much pain that I forgot to take the medicine for a few days.... maybe like three. The pain was pretty severe for about two days, and then pretty much started to subside. Was able to walk and do all my daily stuff.... But so then I started back on the levothyroxin, and it seems like my neck is hurting worse again.... well yes its hurting worse again, but it seemed to correlate with me taking the levothyroxin. And now, its not just on one side, both sides are hurting, at this point, the right side is hurting more then the left... And I just looked in the mirror, and realised that I have swelling at the base of the neck..I dont know if I could explain this, but if you put your fingers on those two sharp bones in your throat, and then run your fingers around your neck like where your collar would go, the swelling is straight down below the ears... but like I said at the base of the neck.... I dont think its fat...I have never noticed it before. Dern it, Im beginning to feel like Im falling apart..... Am I gonna get alot worse before I get better...... I stopped the levrothyroxin today..... Could this be bad enough that I have to go see the doctor again??? Gosh I hate doctors, and hate giving them money I dont have......If I stop the levrothyroxin then I should see improvement within a few days, if thats what causing it ??yes???? Im beginning to think, maybe the best thing for me to do is to do a total body cleanse....but shoot, I wouldnt even know where to start.... Is there a way, I can get this medicine out of my body faster, or is my body needing this medicine so bad that its causing me pain???? That doesnt sound right to me..... not to be hurting this bad.... And to let ya\'ll know, I have a very high pain tolerance, when it comes to pain, I am not a wimp..... I usually can handle it pretty good, but this is beginning to get to me..... I am having trouble moving my fostor daughter around, and doing normal life.... Stopping the medicine seems like the right thing to do.... yeah?????? Oh and by the way, I dont have a problem going to a chiropractor, I just really really cant afford it.... although I may end up borrowing money from a kid and go see one if this keeps up much longer.... Thanks for the help.... Im sorry to be such a pain in the tush... Im beginning to feel like a crybaby!!!!!!\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Dear "just" wonderful "you".
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\r\nI must admit I haven\'t read every word of this thread, but my hat if off to you.
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\r\nAnd hello to Texas Shabby Chic who I thought had dropped off the planet, glad to hear your hubby is still hanging in there!!
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\r\nJust-' + '-you really need to see a chiropractor, one small move and you would be fine, they aren\'t expensive. $40.-50. This total body cleanse won\'t help. there are little tiny vertibrea in there-' + '-and one is off whack. sometimes I can fix myself by holding straight and slowly looking up at the sky.....try it.
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\r\nI do weigh myself every single day, other wise you will fool yourself-' + '-although those pant sizes won\'t fool you! congrads!
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\r\nI have been experimenting/taking notes via friends with using iodine, I find that if you already take thyroid meds then taking iodine will lower your TSH (good). But-' + '-if you do not take thyroid meds then it will raise your TSH (bad)-' + '-just like happened to you. People with a perfect thyroid won\'t be affected by taking iodine. Except they won\'t ever need the meds (I think). However, yearly I will always test my thyroid as doctors have discovered it\'s the overlooked gland-' + '-and it regulates every cell and every organ in your body.
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\r\nSo iodine is your barometer, however you must test your TSH. 5. is considered okay-' + '-' + '-however a lot of doctors disagree, they believe that anything over 2. should be treated. They did a test on a group of fit high schoolers and the range was .88 to 1.30 So, they figure that is the perfect number.
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\r\nI also have been running tests on friends who take the supplements to fix their thyroid-' + '-' + '-and it does NOT work, they all contain iodine-' + '-which makes your thyroid worse-' + '-remember-' + '-it raises your TSH. You NEED the meds, which Armour thyroid is not medicine-' + '-it\'s cowsor pigs thyroid, just there to help you. The Synthroid is medicine-' + '-as it is synthetic thyroid gland.
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\r\nBack to loosing weight, my secret is brain washing, I look at what I know as bad food and think "poison poison poison". It seems to work. Also I don\'t eat until I am really hungrey after I wake up, usually 1PM. I do "eat" my vitamins first thing with a glass of juice, that keeps me from feeling hungrey. I know it\'s not easy, I used to bite my finger nails and quitting that was awful, I quit one at a time.....you carry your nails around-' + '-so it\'s especially hard to quit!
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\r\nWalking in your driveway is good-' + '-all those bumps keeps your balance and exercises extra muscles. They say walking is the best exercise, wish I could walk with you, I walk 1-2 miles every day.
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\r\n \r\n Hi JustMe,
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\r\nAlthough you say that you don\'t use the Adkins diet it sure sounds like it.
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\r\nWhat makes your diet different from the Adkins diet?
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\r\nIs your blood type 0?
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\r\nI want to encourage you to keep up the good work. If you keep on veggies and quality protien you will make your goal eventually. Keep up the exercise too. Building muscle is important to keeping your weight down.
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\r\nDid you read the insert that comes with the thyroid medication? Maybe that can tell you what the side effects are?! I am just as confused as you are when it comes to the thyroid. Seems most doctors don\'t have much of a clue either. I know what you mean about spending money to see a doctor. I just cancelled our outpatient insurance, so now all we have is hospitalization. It was costing us over $700.00 a month and we never even used it! Now we are paying $200.00 a month. I have been putting off getting my thyroid tested because a lot of doctors say the tests are so unreliable. I have been in a quandry about this for a while. I know there can be consequences if your thyroid isn\'t functioning properly. I suppose I\'ll have to break down and do it soon. There is also a forum at Mary Shomons website. www.thyroid.about.com Maybe you could ask some questions there. Good luck with your endeavors. Keep us informed. I am learning alot from your experiences, too! And by the way, I have been taking dessicated adrenals and thyroid for about a year now, and my temp has gone from about 96 to 98.3, so it must be doing something!?
\r\nThanks for the liquid vita/min info. It is a great brand that I used to take, but quit because they don\'t have a liquid with no iron as I am menopausal and don\'t need the extra iron. Hang in there,
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\r\n \r\n Miss Guest, I am assuming that yes I do know who you are.... Did I send some type of a liquid vitamin to a friend of yours????
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\r\nSeeing a chiro is actually not a possibility at this point.... There are times in your life when you have to choose which is more important, and this month fighting a forclosure is just more important... So am dealing with all this the best I can at this point.....
\r\nBut, I am really beginning to believe big time that the neck pain is being caused by the levrothyroxin... And no, for some reason, I didnt get a flyer explaining all the side effects, (that was strange, I didnt even think about it till you said something) but I did call the pharmacist who filled the script, and he said no, he cant imagine that the med would cause it... So, beginning to feel like I was losing it, I called the compounding pharmacist, who is doing the adrenal test for me.. and his comment was..... if you are driving in your car going down a road at 30 miles an hour, and you miss a curve and run your car into a tree... when you go get your new car, drive down the same road, going the same 30 miles an hour, are you gonna hit that tree again.... hey if it quacks like a duck type thing..... He suggested that I wait another couple of days, and then start the medicine again... and then if my neck starts hurting, then we know for sure.... Which sounds like a logical way to do this.... but who wants to even try and go through that pain again.... By the way... I stopped the medicine on sunday (sat was my last day) and the pain is now basically gone... still a bit stiff, but I can move it and hold my head up without feeling like its gonna fall off.... So.... I think I will wait for a couple of weeks.... We are fixing to do the farewell thing with my son, and I dont want to be in pain while we are trying to enjoy our short time with him...
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\r\nThis sounds so bad, but I have to admit, I cant weigh myself everyday, because I cant find a scale that I can afford that goes up high enough... I do get on the damn thing every day, and get error...Which is frustrating... but hmmm It\'s ok, it wont be that way for much longer... I did get my thyroid levels tested.... I will have to go back and see if I posted all the results on here, I think I did.... but if not I will put them up here..... So, I am assuming, from what you are saying, it was the iodine I was taking that raised the tsh levels up the second round, and not the dessicated thyroid??? Thats good to know, I was worried that I wouldnt be able to do the armour thyroid because of that....
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\r\n I did my adrenal stress test yesterday... consisted of putting a cotton swab under my tongue and letting it get saturated with my saliva four times during the day.... First thing in the am before I ate or drank anything but water (no caffiene yesterday) then I had to eat 200 calories of fast acting carbs... I ate what the list suggested, two pieces of white bread and 8 ounces of orange juice, and then an hour later do the cotton swab thing before 1pm and then again at 5 pm and then again at midnight.... I had to record everthing I ate, and drank... even if I chewed gum... freeze the vials that the cotton swabs were in until this morning when I overnight mailed them to the lab.... The pharmacist said that this was the starting point..... so this should tell us alot..... when I read that book, Adrenal Fatigue, I answered all the questions in their test they have in the book... and I scored so badly, that the book suggested if I scored in these levels.. that I should be tested for addisons disease.... So when I suggested to my doctor that I would like to be tested for adrenal problems he says... thyroid first, and if the meds dont work then we will look further... the pharmacist says thats backwards!!!!
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\r\nArrowwind, I dont know enough about the adkins diet to tell ya what the difference there is... Im just trying not to eat carbs.... I had to eat that bread and orange juice for the test yesterday, and noticed that with in two hours, I was starving again.... so I ate more bread, and more bread... and ended up eating like five pieces of bread altogether, and then the son bought me a cheeseburger and I ate that with the bun... ended up getting really really cranky last night and ready to bite peoples heads off today... Shoot, I decided to just not answer my phone today cus I didnt want to talk to anyone.... Was tired and cranky all day.... Woke up with a headache, when I woke up at midnite to take the final swab..... Carbs just screw with my body too much... its amazing to see what they do to me, after I have been off them for awhile and then eat some.... I get a chance to actually see what they do to me. I knew last night when I was getting so cranky.. why I was... and couldnt stop it....
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\r\nHow about an update-' + '-how is it going? Are you still on your thyroid med? Is it helping? How about your neck? From your recent posts, it seems as though depression is not one of your problems now. But you had a lot of problems and we are still concerned about you. With the holidays just past, I won\'t even ask about weight loss-' + '-just hope you were able to maintain.
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