Nobel Prize Winner Discovers Scientific Basis for Homeopathy?

liverock · � #1 � 07-10-2010, 05:01 AM

https://www.wddty.com/nobel-scientist...omeopathy.html

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In the week that doctors have described homeopathy as �nonsense on stilts�, a Nobel prize-winning scientist has made a discovery about the nature of water that suggests the therapy does have a scientific basis.

Professor Luc Montagnier, a French virologist who won the Nobel prize for discovering a link between HIV and AIDS, has shocked fellow Nobel prize-winners by telling them that water has a memory that continues even after many dilutions.

The idea is one of the foundations of homeopathy, which maintains that the potency of a substance is increased with its dilution. Montagnier has discovered that solutions containing the DNA of viruses and bacteria �could emit low frequency radio waves�. These waves influence molecules around them, and turn them into organised structures. These molecules in turn can emit waves.

He has discovered that the waves remain in the water, even after it has been diluted many times. Montagnier�s statement couldn�t happen at a worse time for doctors.

Last week, the UK�s British Medical Association (BMA) � the trade union of doctors � passed a resolution to stop homeopathy being made available on the National Health Service. It also wants all homeopathic remedies to be placed in a special area marked �Placebos� in health shops and pharmacies.

The NHS currently spends around �4m a year on homeopathy, mainly by funding four homeopathic hospitals in the UK. (Sources: Sunday Times, July 4, 2010; British Medical Association).

Ted_Hutchinson · � #2 � 07-10-2010, 12:12 PM

The Montagnier �Homeopathy� Study

Arrowwind09 · � #3 � 07-10-2010, 12:13 PM

This is certainly good news for homeopathy. Lets hope his experiments are easily replicated to convince those with dim whit assessement skills that it can cure many very serious diseases if the remedies are chosen correctly.

Actually those with dimwhit assessment skills, how is it that they get to practice medicine in the first place? Cancers, long standing crippling arthritis, scoliosis, ameobic disentary, allergies, dental infection, sinus infections, pain of broken bones, chronic depression, ADD, ADHD, if alleviated by a drug is called true medicine but if cured by homeoapthy they call it placebo. The idiots.

mississippichem · � #4 � 08-22-2010, 03:45 PM

Why is it that these "water-memory" structures fail to appear in electron-diffraction experiments or in nuclear magnetic resonance spectroscopy data? The model of water-memory present in very dilute solutions is not in line with the current consensus from density functional theory or modern chemical group theory. Can these inconsistencies be reconciled quantitatively?

RCannon · � #5 � 08-22-2010, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Arrowwind09

This is certainly good news for homeopathy. Lets hope his experiments are easily replicated to convince those with dim whit assessement skills that it can cure many very serious diseases if the remedies are chosen correctly.

Actually those with dimwhit assessment skills, how is it that they get to practice medicine in the first place? Cancers, long standing crippling arthritis, scoliosis, ameobic disentary, allergies, dental infection, sinus infections, pain of broken bones, chronic depression, ADD, ADHD, if alleviated by a drug is called true medicine but if cured by homeoapthy they call it placebo. The idiots.

This is all nothing more than trying to get rid of competition. It's all about control of people and is nothing new. Been going on for centuries. The witch hunts- calling women herbalists witches is a good example- can't have them curing the peasants! They may rise up! The language of medicine used to be latin in England until somebody broke rank and translated it. Nicolas Culpeper (1616-1654) was his name in fact. An Herbalist. (well they all were back then). He translated "Pharmacopeia" in Latin to "A Physical Directory" in english and empowered common folk with the knowledge for self treatment. He was despised by his colleagues because of this. He wrote "Culpeper's Herbal" which is available even today.

The more recent example of this is the elimination of Eclectic Medicine in the US, with the last school, The Eclectic Medical College, closing its doors in 1939. There were eight colleges at one point teaching "The American System of Herbal Medicine" and 10000 Eclectic physicians. Homeopathy was one part of this, along with extensive Herbal formulations and diagnostic methods. Some books on this are still around, by Ellingwood, Felter and EG Jones, with Materia Medica in the titles. I'm trying to find some cheap used ones but they seem to have disappeared and only collector copies are available. Wonder what happened to them???

I predict these approaches are on the way back. They were the result of centuries of experience, even back to the Greeks and Romans.

As to homeopathy, I think one factor supporting its effectiveness by dilution was discovered by accident, maybe 10 yr ago. This was an experiement on properties of solutions, and repeated dilution caused increased clumping of the dissolved material, rather than further dispersing it. This was a surprise and the assumption forever had been the opposite. So the more dilute, the larger but fewer clumps of material occured. It's as if they formed little planets or something, and attracted the free particles with a force of some sort. So this fits with the homeopathic method of repeated dilution, which must create these little bodies of material with some sort of electromagnetic property that has an effect when injested, to stimulate the immune system possibly.

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