Go Back Natural Medicine Talk > Health > Nutrition

Reply
Thread Tools Display Modes
� #1
Old 03-07-2013, 06:11 AM
knightofalbion knightofalbion is offline
Lecturer
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Glastonbury, England
Posts: 1,421
knightofalbion has a spectacular aura aboutknightofalbion has a spectacular aura about
Default Processed Meat = Early Death

Study suggests consumption of processed meat reduces lifespan...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-21682779
__________________

....It is our deeds, the accumulated acts of goodness and kindness, that define us and ultimately are the true measure of our worth. Service is the coin of the spirit.

https://holy-lance.blogspot.com
Reply With Quote
� #2
Old 03-07-2013, 07:01 AM
jfh jfh is online now
perpetual student
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Texas, USA
Posts: 4,138
jfh has a spectacular aura aboutjfh has a spectacular aura aboutjfh has a spectacular aura about
Default

I'm convinced that it is the sodium nitrite.

Processed meat increases the risk of bowel cancer and sodium nitrite is thought to be largely to blame. It is added to hot dogs to stop them going grey, and keep microbes at bay.
Studies on animals have linked sodium nitrites to an increased risk of cancer.
The World Cancer Research Fund carried out a global study on the dangers of processed meats and found that people who regularly consume 50g of processed meat a day � equivalent to one-and-a-half hot dogs � increase their chances of getting bowel cancer by 20 per cent. The charity believes nitrites are largely to blame.
In the body, nitrites can react with protein-rich foods such as meat to produce N-nitroso compounds, or NOCs. Some types of NOCs damage the DNA in our cells and cause cancer.
In 2006, scientists analysed more than 60 studies and found that nitrites are also linked to higher risks of stomach cancer.
__________________
.
- Jim

Let us always meet each other with smile, for the smile is the beginning of love. -Mother Teresa
Reply With Quote
� #3
Old 03-07-2013, 09:41 AM
Solstice Goat's Avatar
Solstice Goat Solstice Goat is offline
Frater Aegagrus
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 1,533
Solstice Goat has a spectacular aura aboutSolstice Goat has a spectacular aura about
Default Like always, there are two sides to correlational studies

Quote:
Which of these sources will give you the most ingested nitrites:
467 servings of hotdogs
1 serving arugula
2 servings butterhead lettuce
4 servings celery or beets
your spit
The answer is obvious ... or is it?
How often do we hear advice to avoid processed meats — like hotdogs, bacon, ham and sausages — because they contain nitrates that have been linked to cancer? There is no safe amount of processed meats, the project director for the World Cancer Research Fund report told Dr. Albert Lim Kok Hooi of The Star this month. [Dr. Hooi’s article also claimed, ostensibly based on that WCRF report, that two-thirds of all cancers could be prevented if we were all thin, ate right and didn’t smoke. It advocated plaques at the entrance of all restaurants, school and office cafeterias warning: “Obesity causes cancer!”
Furthermore;


Quote:
As is nearly always the case, food fears are short on science and tall on misinformation. Many may remember that scare from the 1970s, claiming that nitrates could be carcinogenic, based on a report said to have found lymphatic cancer in 13 rats. Few consumers heard the rest of the story: that the preliminary MIT research behind that scare had had no peer review prior being acted on by the FDA and USDA, and was later discredited as faulty when an interagency working group of scientists from the FDA, USDA and NIH was convened to review the scientific data. The study was also sent to outside reviewers. As a 1983 risk assessment from the National Research Council noted, normal FDA review procedures hadn’t been followed during that scare, in what had seemed justifiable at the time to protect public health and in response to consumer group petitions; but “normal peer review would have revealed the fatal flaws in the MIT data.”
In 1981, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed the scientific literature and found no link between nitrates or nitrites and human cancers, or evidence to even suggest that they’re carcinogenic. Since then, more than 50 studies and multiple international scientific bodies have investigated a possible link between nitrates and cancers and mortality in humans and found no association.
What may be more surprising to learn is that scientific evidence has been building for years that nitrates are actually good for us, that nitrite is produced by our own body in greater amounts than is eaten in food, and that it has a number of essential biological functions, including in healthy immune and cardiovascular systems. Nitrite is appearing so beneficial, it’s even being studied as potential treatments for health problems such as high blood pressure, heart attacks, sickle cell disease and circulatory problems.
Junk Food Science

Seems like another one of those, "Eat margarine, butter is bad for you" kinda studies.

Must be a slow news day in Britain.
__________________
I'd rather meander for the prevention than race for the cure.
Reply With Quote
� #4
Old 03-07-2013, 01:43 PM
jfh jfh is online now
perpetual student
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Texas, USA
Posts: 4,138
jfh has a spectacular aura aboutjfh has a spectacular aura aboutjfh has a spectacular aura about
Default

Many vegetables contain nitrites. Celery is a good source of such. But sodium nitrite is not natural and not good.

Carbon is not bad for us, but carbon monoxide is. Actually carbon dioxide is too.

Fluoride, found naturally in tea, may not be bad in small quantities, but sodium fluoride is. and is found in most municipal drinking water.

It is the chemical composition that makes for bad health. And chemical composition is not the same thing as its parts. Take for example chlorine and chlorine dioxide.

You might complain about food that contains monosodium glutamate (MSG), but most plants naturally have msg. And msg makes up about 10 to 25 % of all food protein, from both animal and vegetable.

When these things are added to our food or water, they are not as small quantities was would be found in nature.
Reply With Quote
� #5
Old 03-07-2013, 02:15 PM
Solstice Goat's Avatar
Solstice Goat Solstice Goat is offline
Frater Aegagrus
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 1,533
Solstice Goat has a spectacular aura aboutSolstice Goat has a spectacular aura about
Default

How about sodium chloride? Is it bad?

Sodium citrate? Sodium bicarbonate?

Nitric acid in strong enough concentrations can be no fun.
Reply With Quote
� #6
Old 03-07-2013, 07:08 PM
kind2creatures's Avatar
kind2creatures kind2creatures is online now
...elusive dreamer
Wiki Editor
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: USA
Posts: 5,281
Blog Entries: 38
kind2creatures is just really nicekind2creatures is just really nicekind2creatures is just really nicekind2creatures is just really nice
Default

Had some good tasting nitrate/nitrite-free beef frankfurters and bacon, one brand is Coleman. Still don't partake that often.
__________________
"Don't regret growing older, it's a privilege denied to many"
Reply With Quote
� #7
Old 03-07-2013, 07:47 PM
Solstice Goat's Avatar
Solstice Goat Solstice Goat is offline
Frater Aegagrus
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 1,533
Solstice Goat has a spectacular aura aboutSolstice Goat has a spectacular aura about
Default

Best ham I ever ate was cured in celery juice. Bought it in Marin County.
Reply With Quote
� #8
Old 03-08-2013, 07:50 AM
jfh jfh is online now
perpetual student
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Texas, USA
Posts: 4,138
jfh has a spectacular aura aboutjfh has a spectacular aura aboutjfh has a spectacular aura about
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Solstice Goat View Post
How about sodium chloride? Is it bad?

Sodium citrate? Sodium bicarbonate?

Nitric acid in strong enough concentrations can be no fun.
As you said, "strong enough concentrations". Yes. When added to our food, ---bad. Sodium chloride is the worse of the lot for me - hypertension. Processed food seems to contain a lot. Then they trick the label and say something is 2 servings, so they can halve the sodium content and other things.
Reply With Quote
� #9
Old 03-08-2013, 09:33 AM
Solstice Goat's Avatar
Solstice Goat Solstice Goat is offline
Frater Aegagrus
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 1,533
Solstice Goat has a spectacular aura aboutSolstice Goat has a spectacular aura about
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfh View Post
Sodium chloride is the worse of the lot for me - hypertension.

Then they trick the label and say something is 2 servings, so they can halve the sodium content and other things.

You are sodium sensitive? My understanding is that it is a rare condition. Of course processed salt is nearly all sodium, whereas natural salt is much higher in chloride, which has been shown to lower blood pressure.


Yes, I remember those days! Two eight ounce servings in a twelve ounce can.
Reply With Quote
� #10
Old 03-08-2013, 10:45 AM
Aelphabae Aelphabae is offline
Observer
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Wisconsin USA
Posts: 28
Aelphabae is on a distinguished road
Send a message via Skype™ to Aelphabae
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Solstice Goat View Post
You are sodium sensitive? My understanding is that it is a rare condition. Of course processed salt is nearly all sodium, whereas natural salt is much higher in chloride, which has been shown to lower blood pressure.


Yes, I remember those days! Two eight ounce servings in a twelve ounce can.
I'm sodium sensitive too - no matter if it is table salt or sea salt, my body doesn't seem to care.

But then again when we are faced with so many chemicals that weaken the body it is not surprising that we react to things which ought to be healthy and essential.
Reply With Quote
� #11
Old 03-09-2013, 04:34 AM
Solstice Goat's Avatar
Solstice Goat Solstice Goat is offline
Frater Aegagrus
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 1,533
Solstice Goat has a spectacular aura aboutSolstice Goat has a spectacular aura about
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aelphabae View Post
I'm sodium sensitive too - no matter if it is table salt or sea salt, my body doesn't seem to care.

But then again when we are faced with so many chemicals that weaken the body it is not surprising that we react to things which ought to be healthy and essential.

Not all sea salt is equal either.
Reply With Quote
� #12
Old 03-09-2013, 11:06 AM
Aelphabae Aelphabae is offline
Observer
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Wisconsin USA
Posts: 28
Aelphabae is on a distinguished road
Send a message via Skype™ to Aelphabae
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Solstice Goat View Post
Not all sea salt is equal either.
Agreed... although my body doesn't seem to care if it's Himilayan, French "Grey", etc.
Reply With Quote
� #13
Old 03-13-2013, 11:55 AM
Solstice Goat's Avatar
Solstice Goat Solstice Goat is offline
Frater Aegagrus
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 1,533
Solstice Goat has a spectacular aura aboutSolstice Goat has a spectacular aura about
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aelphabae View Post
Agreed... although my body doesn't seem to care if it's Himilayan, French "Grey", etc.

Interesting.

Our bodies seek a certain amount of sodium to keep our osmotic equilibrium in balance.


Quote:
(NaturalNews) A new European study published in the May 4 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association, found that a low salt diet increases the death rate from cardiovascular disease and fails to prevent high blood pressure. These startling findings, reported by The New York Times, are diametrically opposed to traditional medical thought, which for decades has spurred doctors to recommend a restricted salt diet to their patients. Limitations and problems in the study, however, have fueled the debate over the salt issue.
Reply With Quote
� #15
Old 03-13-2013, 08:13 PM
jfh jfh is online now
perpetual student
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Texas, USA
Posts: 4,138
jfh has a spectacular aura aboutjfh has a spectacular aura aboutjfh has a spectacular aura about
Default

I suspect you are being somewhat sarcastic in your gentlemanly soft spoken way Ted. However, I do like that report. I well remember, in my neck of the woods, that most of the folks were heavy into processed meats for winter storage. But to my dislike, most were heavily salted for preservation. I mean heavily. Pork bellies (bacon) has been for a very long time, but whole shoulders were too. I also remember going to the butcher and watching him grind the meats into sausage in putting it into casings.

Well, those were the good old days when we knew what was going into the process and mostly where the meat came from. No such thing as antibiotics or genetically modified anything.
Reply With Quote
Reply
Please reply to this thread with any new information or opinions.

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
To Meat or Not To Meat...That is the Question! kind2creatures Nutrition 9 10-18-2011 09:38 AM
Processed food understatement saved1986 Nutrition 4 02-07-2011 08:29 AM
Early puberty knightofalbion Children's Health 11 08-28-2010 02:33 PM
Red meat &/or Processed Meat vs Cancer Iggy Dalrymple Cancer 0 12-12-2007 04:06 AM
Early Hatchback Iggy Dalrymple Chitchat 0 12-07-2007 08:20 PM