XYLITOL - does it kill "good" gut bacteria ?

[Arrowwind09]

\r\n \r\n the short answer is NO.\r\n

[Bansaw]

\r\n \r\n thanks arrow, however, I\'d like to see some official report by a trusted medical group confirming this. Normally an antibiotic product (and it says on their website that Xylitol is a strong antibiotic) is indiscriminate in killing bacteria, good or bad.
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\nI\'ve just emerged from anti biotic therapy and my gut is not in need for more clearing out, so I am concerned.\r\n

[truestorytotell]

\r\n \r\n I think that if you have to choose between normal sugar and xylitol even if the latter does kill good and bad bacteria its still healthier...
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\nBasically sugar feeds the bad bacteria, which will then grow and grow nicely fed and overwhelm the good bacteria...probiotics would kinda be a necessity
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\nand xylitol even if it kills both good and bad bacteria you will still have a balance,even without supplementing.. And then if you supplement with probiotics too, youre extra good...
\nIm just saying if and if...
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\nFor me Arrow\'s answer is all i need, No means No... but i would also like to see a research on this or something since i just switched to Xylitol some 2 months ago and it concerns me...\r\n

[jfh]

\r\n \r\n The action of xylitol implies that the good bacteria can be killed. For any health protocol, probiotic supplements should be taken.
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\nXylitol inhibits the formation of biofilm. Not all organisms make biofilm. For example, Lyme does not. Probiotics do. So they would need to be replaced. There are so many probiotics in your body that enough would survive and propagate. They propagate very rapidly. I do not think it is a problem, unless you are using a lot of xylitol. After all, xylitol is not an antibiotic, but inhibiting the biofilm creation allows antibiotics, natural or otherwise, to kill the bacteria. In this case, it is an accomplice to antibiotics.
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\nHere is a scientific study https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19178100\r\n

[Bansaw]

\r\n \r\n Thanks jfh and truestory, - very helpful posts. I appreciate the good help I\'m getting here.
\nThe Natrazyle website that sells Xyilotol states

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\r\n \r\n As a supplement, Xylitol’s powers are incredible. It possesses strong antibiotic properties that aid the body in killing bacteria and neutralizing viruses.\r\n \r\n

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I\'m thinking of taking Dr Ohhiras probiotics to help build up my gut. They are quite expensive tho.
\nWhat do you think of Kefir milk as something I can take regularly ?\r\n

[jfh]

\r\n \r\n Dr Ohhira\'s is excellent. They culture the bacteria from fermented foods for a very long time. Ordering it or any others via the mail would kill the bacteria due to the heat of the summer.
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\nHowever if you can keep up with it, culturing your own kefir is best. Sometimes you can find it in the stores. It has a very, very wide range of species. Drink it everyday. You can even make kefir water. All it needs is sugar. Milk is good, because of the lactose.
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\nEven homemade sauerkraut is excellent. Store bought has been pasteurized. Heat kills the bacteria.\r\n

[Bansaw]

\r\n \r\n My wife makes kim chee as she is south korean. Its like spicy sourkraut.
\nWill ordering Ohhiras by mail do that much damage? Maybe direct sunlight, but hopefully not damaged too much in transit. I\'m getting it from Amazon.com. I guess it has to travel to the local pharmacy anyway.\r\n

[jfh]

\r\n \r\n It is heat. Not light. They don\'t like heat. That\'s why pasteurized anything is worthless. I don\'t know where you live, but I live in central Texas where the summer heat is near 100F. When I get stuff from the mail or UPS it is very warm. Sometimes they leave it on my front porch, which is southwest. If it is warm in my hands, it is most likely warmer than body temp. Probiotics do survive in body temp. Most of my packages are warmer than warm, and I don\'t know how long they have been in those trucks. Traveling to the pharmacy is different. Much larger trucks and some are even cooled. Check the drug bottles or websites, like drugs.com. Drugs must be stored in 75F or better.\r\n

[Bansaw]

\r\n \r\n Is it only acidohpilus that doesn\'t survive, or the whole lot? I see some rave reviews on Amazon about Ohhiras so I guess its still valuable in some respects when its mailed. We\'ll see. I am seriously looking into adding Kefir. I am thinking at least I\'ll be getting the acidophilus from there? Anyway, I am new to this. Any feedback is apprecited.\r\n

[jfh]

\r\n \r\n You will get many strains from kefir. Lactobasillus as well as acidophilous. And many others. I don\'t know the best place to get your starter strain. Probably best to buy from a local store, then use a cup of that as a starter. Lots of videos on YouTube.\r\n

[Bansaw]

\r\n \r\n I found an interesting source for Kefir:
\nhttps://www.kefirlady.com/
\nApparently real Kefir from the Caucasus Mountains.
\nShe also sells something called Kombucha scoby. Do you know what that is?
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[Arrowwind09]

\r\n \r\n Dr Jonathan Wright, MD and alternative medicine expert put out a whole newsletter dedicated to xylitol. He says it wont. Hes one of the most trusted guys out there in the alternative arena. Sorry Ive not the time to go though it and post all his info.\r\n

[jfh]

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Dr Jonathan Wright, MD and alternative medicine expert put out a whole newsletter dedicated to xylitol. He says it wont. Hes one of the most trusted guys out there in the alternative arena. Sorry Ive not the time to go though it and post all his info.

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Maybe this will help. Here is what he says about "simple sugars".
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\r\n \r\n Excepts from Jonathan Wright, M.D./ https://www.wrightnewsletter.com/nah/.../nh_0112_a.htm (page no longer exists, but check you 2001 letters)
\nBeat bacteria and infection the natural way: Replace your antibiotics with a few simple sugars! Medicine is filled with irony. The medical world created antibiotics to defeat diseases caused by bacteria. And what happened? The bacteria adapted, made our drugs less effective, and, in the process, learned how to make us sicker. Professional dentists (and many, many moms) said for years that sugar rots teeth. And what happened? Researchers discovered that there are exceptions to this rule. Sugars-particular simple, natural sugars-are demonstrating abilities to protect us from tooth decay, ear infections, bladder infections, asthma, sinusitis, and a host of other diseases caused by bacteria. These sugars can replace antibiotics for some treatments. They may even help us break the vicious cycle that has seen the medical establishment create ever stronger drugs and ever stronger bacteria.\r\n \r\n

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And as I posted from scientific research (2008), xylitol inhibits creation of biofilm. Most bacteria, good and bad, use this for protection and adherence to tissue.\r\n

[MRUSSO]

\r\n \r\n "You will get many strains from kefir. Lactobasillus as well as acidophilous."
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\r\nLactobasillus is used to define a certain group of bacteria, which are rod shaped. It is not separate bacteria from acidophilus. In fact, acidophilus is normally listed as L-acidophilus, the L standing for lactobacillus.
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\r\nI am hard pressed to believe anything about bacteria from a poster that does not know this simple fact. Still I applaud your vitality to go out and research the facts for yourself, but please do your due diligence before posting something that appears that you know what your talking about,.. because people are listing and possibly taking your advise. Thanks.\r\n

[jfh]

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Lactobasillus is used to define a certain group of bacteria, which are rod shaped. It is not separate bacteria from acidophilus. In fact, acidophilus is normally listed as L-acidophilus, the L standing for lactobacillus.

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You\'re right. I must have had a bad day. I even misspelled Lactobacillus. I don\'t normally do that. I do know the difference between genus, species, and strains. My point was that I don\'t know any other product, that we can make at home, that has such a wide range of bacterial species as does kefir.\r\n

[Bansaw]

Its supposed to be a strong antibiotic. However, I am very worried that it will kill my good bacteria. Is this the case?