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Old 12-14-2010, 03:10 AM
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Fizzy drinks can trigger gout. A study of nearly 79,000 women found those who drank more than two a day were twice as likely to develop the painful condition. The fructose in canned drinks is thought to trigger a build-up of uric acid, which causes the disease.
- Daily Mail 14/12/2010
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Old 12-14-2010, 07:56 PM
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Hmmm...

If it is the fructose in the drinks, it could be a non-fizzy drink like squash or Gatorade or SunnyD as well, no? Does it say any more about the fizzy aspect of it?
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Old 12-27-2010, 06:48 PM
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If you are interested in health you wouldn't be drinking the carbonated sodas or even Gatordate crap in the first place.
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Old 12-27-2010, 07:11 PM
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If you are interested in health you wouldn't be drinking the carbonated sodas or even Gatordate crap in the first place.

Yeah, that wasn't really the point of my question though, was it?
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If you are interested in health you wouldn't be drinking the carbonated sodas or even Gatordate crap in the first place.
I'm interested in health, and I drink carbonated seltzer water with NO sodium, caffeine or sugar on a daily basis, so does my husband.

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Yeah, that wasn't really the point of my question though, was it?
I knew the point of your question Marilyn27, and I just assumed it was the sugar and not the carbonation, but was waiting for a more complete summary of the article from knightofalbion. Anyway, came across this posting gout-pal:


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I got what looked like a simple question today Ė ďCan drinking club soda help my gout?Ē
It seemed simple enough, but as I thought through the question I ended up searching through pages and page of information about different aspects of fizzy water.

First of all, I looked at what club soda is. It varies. At itís most simple, itís just water with carbon dioxide forced into it. Commonly it has sodium added, hence its other common name soda water. Sodium is well known for raising the blood pressure. Not a true gout problem, but as many gout sufferers also have high blood pressure (hypertension) then itís worth pointing out the risk.
I wouldnít expect anyone to take their full fluid requirement for gout from club soda, but even a couple of bottles a day might increase sodium intake beyond a healthy limit. Also, many club sodas have other additives, so itís worth checking the labels. When I did a very quick, unscientific check, I noticed that sparkling water usually has less additives than club soda.
But I still hadnít really answered the question. I could see that too much club soda might be a problem, but does a moderate amount help?
By using Googleís very flexible search features I started looking for gout or uric acid associated with club soda or soda water or carbonated water. What a journey that was. Along the way I found a couple of fantastic nutrition data resources. Iíll be covering these in more detail when I update you on my gout diet plans.
So back to the question. Does club soda help gout?

Some of the facts Iíve found are:-
  1. Carbonated water can help ease constipation. This is relevant to gout as around one third of uric acid is excreted through the gut. A 2002 study, Effects of carbonated water on functional dyspepsia and constipation, reveals that subjects who drank carbonated water for two weeks had 25% less constipation than those who drank tap water.
  2. Carbonated water can help increase skin blood flow. The report on skin blood flow and carbonated water involved subjects immersing legs in carbonated water for 10 minutes per say over a 3 week period. Those using carbonated water showed a significantly higher skin blood flow and reduced numbness compared to a control group using tap water. Iím not sure if this will help gout or not, but if anyone has the funds to dangle their gouty joints in club soda, Iíd love to hear from you.
  3. Club soda has a slight alkalizing effect. There are hundreds of websites that claim the opposite. None of these have any source references for their claims, and many are sales sites for alkalizing diets or products. I finally found a site with clear scientific references. BitterPoison.com includes a method for calculating the acid-alkaline balance of diet. It also has list of PRAL values of all foods in the USDA database, showing club sodaís PRAL value of -0.133. Iíll be talking more about PRAL in my gout diet series.
So, Iím fairly confident that club soda will have a positive effect for gout patients. Just beware of high blood pressure, and be aware of additives by checking the label.
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Thanks k2c, that's what I had figured, but like you, I was waiting for more details on that specific article...

With my husband we have pretty much pinpointed the triggers: beer, shellfish, asparagus and mushrooms - when consumed all together, as in a Japanese dinner (!), the results can be fast and certain! We have several friends that suffer from gout and have found that many have different triggers and different reactions.

No medication needed here, as flare ups can be avoided, but I can't speak for everyone, of course.
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Thanks k2c, that's what I had figured, but like you, I was waiting for more details on that specific article...

With my husband we have pretty much pinpointed the triggers: beer, shellfish, asparagus and mushrooms - when consumed all together, as in a Japanese dinner (!), the results can be fast and certain! We have several friends that suffer from gout and have found that many have different triggers and different reactions.

No medication needed here, as flare ups can be avoided, but I can't speak for everyone, of course.
I don't have any issues with gout, but I drink the seltzer water because I like it better than regular water for hydration. I don't ever use plain bottled water, when I go to work-out I use filtered tap water from home.
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Very interesting about the constipation k2c. Also the blood flow. I used to love gingerale, until I first learned about HFCS. I'd like to find some that have none of that. I used to use seltzer to make magnesium water. That was long ago, when I foolishly tried to alkalize my body. Foolishly, because the body does it better by itself, and alkalinity is the best environment for candida and other fungi.

The gout situation is good ammunition for my efforts to educate my nieces and nephews.
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Very interesting about the constipation k2c. Also the blood flow. I used to love gingerale, until I first learned about HFCS. I'd like to find some that have none of that.
We used to get small glasses of ginger ale as kids for stomach upset, usually Canada Dry or Sweppes (sp?), which were probably loaded with HFCS.

Hansen's puts out a ginger ale with no HFCS, but they do use cane sugar. It's available by me in a lot of stores.

http://www.hansens.com/products/products.php?subcat=1
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Question fizzy water & gout

I use a C02 machine to make my own carbonated water. (Not sure if ok to print brand name here) but it is sold in retail stores & just uses a cannister to carbonate whatever you want. I just use plain, filtered water & add the C02. This has taken me off of sodas. I drink it throughout the day & also just plain, filtered water. Any thoughts on whether this can have a negative affect on my uric acid level? I ask because it have risen over the last three years and it seem to be since I stopped drinking soda & started drinking plain, carbonated water. (?)
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I don't understand why it is so hard for most people to drink plain water. It seems one of the simplest things but alot of people apparently feel a psychological need for soda and carbonated bubbles.
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If you are interested in health you wouldn't be drinking the carbonated sodas or even Gatordate crap in the first place.
Good point! What do you drink?
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Mostly water, and most of that from a local artesian spring. But I also drink tea fairly often sweetened with Stevia and those barely coffee imitations with almond milk, some cacao or cocoa and sweetened again with Stevia.

Luckily I was not raised drinking soda like most Americans of my generation(30 now, born in 1982). I remember as a youth my cousin coming over and always whining how he could not drink, because we only had tap water which he categorically refused many times! He threw many fits and cried, because we never had soda...

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Measures of height, weight, waist circumference and diet soda intake were recorded at SALSA enrollment and at three follow-up exams that took place over the next decade. [b]The average follow-up time was 9.5 years. The researchers compared long-term change in waist circumference for diet soda users versus non-users in all follow-up periods.[b] The results were adjusted for waist circumference, diabetes status, leisure-time physical activity level, neighborhood of residence, age and smoking status at the beginning of each interval, as well as sex, ethnicity and years of education.

Diet soft drink users, as a group, experienced 70 percent greater increases in waist circumference compared with non-users. Frequent users, who said they consumed two or more diet sodas a day, experienced waist circumference increases that were 500 percent greater than those of non-users.

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Well, personally, while I was raised drinking sodas, once I decided I wanted to give them up, it wasn't so much the psychological aspect that makes me want to drink something fizzy as much as it is that I prefer it to sort of cleanse my pallet during a meal.  I usually drink carbonated water with a meal & then just plain water the rest of the time. 

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Well, personally, while I was raised drinking sodas, once I decided I wanted to give them up, it wasn't so much the psychological aspect that makes me want to drink something fizzy as much as it is that I prefer it to sort of cleanse my pallet during a meal.  I usually drink carbonated water with a meal & then just plain water the rest of the time. 

I like this group and appreciate the exchange of information. 
Hello and welcome! I was not raised drinking sodas at all, and I also prefer to drink a plain seltzer (no caffeine, salt or sugars), especially with meals. Adding some organic lemon juice as a palate cleanser is ideal for me. I also drink plain water throughout the day, and during exercise.
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