Anxiety: supplements, coping, help, cure

[kind2creatures]

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\nTheanine is also good for stress/anxiety. A good quality Omega 3 fish oil is good to take. I see you\'re taking some already, but it should be in the natural triglyceride form, I use NOW brand liquid lemon flavored.
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\nChamomile is a good herb to relax, maybe an extract rather than a tea. Research all side effects before using any herbs...https://www.natmedtalk.com/wiki/Chamomile\r\n

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I think that a B-50 complex twice daily is a good supplement, plus a Magnesium (citrate) capsule a couple of times per day.
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\r\nTheanine is also good for stress/anxiety. A good quality Omega 3 fish oil is good to take. I see you\'re taking some already, but it should be in the natural triglyceride form, I use NOW brand liquid lemon flavored.
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\r\nChamomile is a good herb to relax, maybe an extract rather than a tea. Research all side effects before using any herbs...https://www.natmedtalk.com/wiki/Chamomile

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\r\nThanks!
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\r\nAlong with all of my tests, I also had a toxicity and vitamin/mineral check. My magnesium levels are fine, not that extra wouldn\'t be beneficial. I\'ll look into all that you mention.\r\n

[liverock]

\r\n \r\n OCD is associated with high copper levels which can cause elevated Adrenal gland activity. This can cause cause anxiety and stress symptoms.
\nHigh copper levels in women can be inherited or caused by birth control pills or estrogen therapy.High stress which depletes zinc levels can also cause high copper levels.
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\nI would recommend a hair tissue mineral analysis to ascertain all your main minerals including copper and any heavy metals toxicity.
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OCD is associated with high copper levels which can cause elevated Adrenal gland activity. This can cause cause anxiety and stress symptoms.
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\r\nI had a toxicity test done at the same time as the other tests, and all came up ok. I can try and post photos of the test results.\r\n

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I had a toxicity test done at the same time as the other tests, and all came up ok. I can try and post photos of the test results.

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The test mentioned is not only a test for heavy metals but a test of whether you have your minerals in balance. Copper is not a toxin but an essential mineral which when not bound adequately by an enzyme, metallothionein,can collect in the brain and could cause most of your symptoms you quote including racing thoughts, stomach problems,OCD and temper problems.
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\nCoffee and chocolate cravings are also classic signs of high copper levels.
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\nBlood tests for vitamins, minerals and toxins are useless for finding out what is actually happening in the tissues and organs. The body is constantly regulating the blood to maintain homeostasis and will dump any excess minerals and heavy metals into the tissues . This is why a tissue mineral analysis test is the best way to ascertain what minerals and vitamins are actually out of balance.
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[rideac1]

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The test mentioned is not only a test for heavy metals but a test of whether you have your minerals in balance. Copper is not a toxin but an essential mineral which when not bound adequately by an enzyme, metallothionein,can collect in the brain and could cause most of your symptoms you quote including racing thoughts, stomach problems,OCD and temper problems.
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\nBlood tests for vitamins, minerals and toxins are useless for finding out what is actually happening in the tissues and organs. The body is constantly regulating the blood to maintain homeostasis and will dump any excess minerals and heavy metals into the tissues . This is why a tissue mineral analysis test is the best way to ascertain what minerals and vitamins are actually out of balance.
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[Grow Young and Slim]

\r\n \r\n Dr. Suzie Schuder who is one of the Grow Young and Slim team docs, wrote a book called "The Trauma Drama Effect" about cortisol. You can read reviews about her Here she is a psychiatrist who specializes in Hormones rather than drugs. It is her opinion that most anxiety is caused by cortisol deficiency.
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\nThere is a video that has kind of bad audio quality but tons of excellent information where Dr. Suzie Schuder and Dr. Nick Delgado (another GYS team member) are chatting about cortisol for about a half hour here...
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\nUnderstanding Cortisol Video
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\nIf you prefer reading, you can read an article she wrote about Mental Health disorders based upon low cortisol Here
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\nMineral tests are good and can make a difference but really the biggest thing youre going to notice is cortisol.
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\nCortisol is responsible for driving free fatty acids into the cells. When cortisol is low, adrenaline gets used to do the job. Adrenaline is kind of like the "strike" workers of cortisol. It can do the job, but it doesn\'t do it very well and it has some side effects. Without the function cortisol/adrenaline play here, you would die, so its good adrenaline can step in but...
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\nthe side effects are exactly what youre experiencing. Racing throughts, Fight or Flight mentality, inability to deal with stress, and also inflammatory problems (an article I wrote about that is here Cortisol ) which very well may be the reason for gastro issues though thats probably a combination of things, including diet.
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\nYou\'ve tried all these supplements and different things, I strongly recommend Adrenal DMG for a lot of reasons. (enter NatMedTalk in the shopping cart for 15% off)
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\nIt will restore cortisol balance, and also help regulate mood with dimethylglycine and I believe you will notice a huge difference.
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\nBefore any other test panel, I recommend cortisol first. Cortisol morning and night test through saliva or if you\'re more financially capable 24 Hour Urine Analysis. Our offices can get a doc to order the test for you (866 319 0566) if you are interested.
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\nI highly...highly recommend you check into cortisol levels based upon the description of you symptoms.\r\n

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Dr. Suzie Schuder who is one of the Grow Young and Slim team docs, wrote a book called "The Trauma Drama Effect" about cortisol. You can read reviews about her Here she is a psychiatrist who specializes in Hormones rather than drugs. It is her opinion that most anxiety is caused by cortisol deficiency.
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\r\nIf you prefer reading, you can read an article she wrote about Mental Health disorders based upon low cortisol Here
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\r\nCortisol is responsible for driving free fatty acids into the cells. When cortisol is low, adrenaline gets used to do the job. Adrenaline is kind of like the "strike" workers of cortisol. It can do the job, but it doesn\'t do it very well and it has some side effects. Without the function cortisol/adrenaline play here, you would die, so its good adrenaline can step in but...
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\r\nthe side effects are exactly what youre experiencing. Racing throughts, Fight or Flight mentality, inability to deal with stress, and also inflammatory problems (an article I wrote about that is here Cortisol ) which very well may be the reason for gastro issues though thats probably a combination of things, including diet.
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\r\nYou\'ve tried all these supplements and different things, I strongly recommend Adrenal DMG for a lot of reasons. (enter NatMedTalk in the shopping cart for 15% off)
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I look forward to trying the Adrenal DMG.
\r\nI did have the cortisol tests done (urine and saliva) and my results proved high all day, extremetly high in the morning.\r\n

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I look forward to trying the Adrenal DMG.
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Do you have the exact numbers?
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[Solstice Goat]

\r\n \r\n According to Dr Edward Group, orotate is the best form of zinc. Only real opinion i could find. Advanced Research was the brand I wound up with at around $11 for 60mg/200 tabs.
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[knightofalbion]

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\nHave you ever tried yoga or meditation? That can work for some people as a means of controlling stress.\r\n

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You seemed to have tried everything in terms of supplementation! Maybe you just need a change of lifestyle? Office work isn\'t for everyone.
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I completely agree about the office lifestyle, but unfortunately having a degree in engineering it isn\'t possible or easy to find a job that\'s not in an office. It\'s definitely something to think about though. Also, I\'m someone who really enjoys to be active, so sitting and being sedentary at work is like prison to me. I do try to get up quite often and take a little walk in the office but for those 8 hours it\'s not easy to keep sane. And throughout the past year my anxiety and symptoms have been so bad and leaving me with such little energy and drive that I don\'t feel like engaging in physical activity in my free time. Luckily I have a very high metabolism and am still somehow physically fit.
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\nYes, I\'ve tried yoga, massage, and some forms of meditation. All of which do work in the time they\'re occuring and for a short time after, but the anxiety symptoms return quickly. I know that doing those practices often may lower my anxiety overall slowly so I should do them more often to help.\r\n

[liverock]

\r\n \r\n The last recommendation I made was to have a Hair Mineral Tissue Analysis(HTMA). Have you done this yet? High cortisol means the body is in a \'fight or flight\' mode and you appear to be stuck in it. An HTMA is the only way to ascertain what is going on at the cellular level regarding your adrenals and minerals which are abnormal when stress hormones like cortisol are elevated.
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\nPeople in \'fight or flight\' mode for long times, due to ongoing stress or some high body inflammation, lose magnesium which can cause energy depletion.
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\nYou can try a Mag supplement for a month and see if it helps, but I still think you should have an HTMA test. Your CRP level(which is a measure of bodily inflammation) is 300% over the max which needs lowering quickly and mag will help,but I still feel you need an HTMA test to get a bigger picture of whats going on besides the high cortisol.
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\nI notice you used to take Benzos, have you ever really detoxed from these because they can cause high cortisol if stopped quickly?
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The last recommendation I made was to have a Hair Mineral Tissue Analysis(HTMA). Have you done this yet? High cortisol means the body is in a \'fight or flight\' mode and you appear to be stuck in it. An HTMA is the only way to ascertain what is going on at the cellular level regarding your adrenals and minerals which are abnormal when stress hormones like cortisol are elevated.
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\nThanks for pointing out the CRP; there\'s so much to know and I had no idea that the high CRP meant any of that, I really had no idea what it was so I always looked right over it. It sounds like there\'s something inflamed that\'s causing the high CRP. I think it\'s worth trying the mag supplement for a month and see if it makes me feel any different.
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\nI did "detox" myself off of the Effexor XR with smaller doses, prozac, and 5-HTP and had withdrawl "brain shocks" for over a month afterwards. It\'s been fine ever since.\r\n

[Bill Burniece]

\r\n \r\n Yoga, deep breathing, and herbal teas have always worked wonders for my stress and anxiety levels. Thanks for all of the other good ideas on this thread!\r\n

[rideac1]

\r\n \r\n So I went last week to Pittsburgh Alternative Health, and found out via urine and saliva samples plus blood examination that my body is extremely acidic and lacking minerals because of that, which is most likely cauing my anxiety and other sympoms. I\'ve been given supplements for minerals, probiobic, blood detox, antioxidant drink mix, and was told to drink lemon water using distilled water to detox and move my body\'s pH to be more alkaline. Also to change my diet away from acidic food & drink and to follow food guidelines for my A- blood type.
\nSo far there hasn\'t been any noticeable results and I don\'t expect it to work instantly. I go back in a week or so to see if anything has changed. I\'ll report my findings.\r\n

[kind2creatures]

\r\n \r\n Thanks for the update Rideac1. Chlorella will also help with acidity, I take the NOW brand powder mixed with a little juice on a daily basis. I hope the changes help you, wishing you the best and looking forward to good news.\r\n

[rideac1]

\r\n \r\n I started living alone a few months after a breakup with my girlfriend whom I lived with for a few months, and the anxiety is better since I am no longer confronted with her ways of life and home that I did not agree with and caused me extra anxiety.
\nMy anxiety symptoms are still prevalent, even though taking a month or so of the minerals and supplements recommended by the alternative health doc. The main symptoms that are troublesome are the racing thoughts, extreme lethargy after work in the afternoon until I take a nap to rejuvenate, OCD thoughts and hand/body picking and constant gastrointestinal issues. I try to eat whole foods as much as possible and try to stay away from caffeine and processed foods. I take good probiotics every day along with vitamin C (1000mg 2 x a day) and fish oil (~800 EPA, DHA daily) + GABA (1 capsule) before bed. I\'ve been sleeping very well, which has changed within the past few years so I feel that some things I\'ve done have definitely changed something in me for the better since I can fall asleep much easier and stay asleep.
\nI drink loose leaf green tea almost every day, especially at work, along with occassional fresh ground dark roast decaf coffee.
\nI recently started taking Reishi mushroom capsules.
\nOccassionally I make passionflower tea if I\'m having a bad episode, which has been rare.
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\nI\'ve since gone to my primary care physician and asked for any tests to diagnose my symptoms. No foods are noticeably causing any issues but they did a food allergy blood test and all came out negative. He thought it may be IBS, and gave me meds for that, which I took for a few weeks and caused hardcore diarrahea which I could not deal with and is probably not healthy, so I stopped them. It did not change my symptoms although I\'m sure it may have taken a few more weeks/months to work. I\'m pretty sure my IBS symptoms are due to the anxiety, which does run in my family.
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\nI researched about the gluten and I\'m still not sure if that\'s an issue with me or not, according to the test results.
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\nI took the month-long prescription for the H-Pylori and nothing changed with me as far as symptoms.
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\n28 yrs old male, 6\'2" 180 lbs.
\nI do not exercise intensely but am always busy and moving, rarely sit other than at my engineering office job.
\nMy metabolism is very high. I am hungry a lot and I eat smaller meals usually and items throughout the day like crackers, cheese, yogurt, vegetables, fruit, nuts, grain bars, etc. I try to eat all whole foods but it\'s nearly impossible with how much I need to eat, especially while at work where I don\'t have much time.
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Just been reviewing the whole thread and as mentioned initially, your high copper level is most likely to be the main problem. High copper agitates the mind and can also cause OCD symptoms as well as lethargy. The stomach issues could also be due to high copper as the body tends to cause \'copper dumping\' when there is an excessive build up in the tissues and organs which can also cause IBS. Type A blood also tends to lead to higher copper levels.
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If your going to get your histamine and neurotransmitter levels up its essential to eat higher protein foods such as beef which is also high in zinc which can help to balance the high copper level. Nuts and seeds that your eating at the moment are a very high copper foods especially if they are cashews and sesame seeds.
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\nWith the amount of stress which you appear to have been under, whether its job stress or for some other reason, the state of the adrenals can only be asessed by a hair mineral test which shows how the adrenals are regulating the sodium and potassium levels.
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\nAs I have mentioned previously on quite a few occasions this would be the best way to go IMO as you could be monitored every few months and have an ongoing consultation with the health practitioner.
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[d0ug]

\r\n \r\n If you take antibiotics for a month and nothing happen it means you are not absorbing the antibiotic. That is another sign of a gluten intolerance the inability to absorb different minerals, fatty acids, cholesterol, and antibiotics.\r\n

[d0ug]

\r\n \r\n It almost makes me laugh when I read some of these web sites on the dangers of certain minerals. People have been using copper as a contraceptive for years. Anyone who has grey or white hair is copper deficient. Anyone who has crows feed around their eyes is copper deficient. There is more people copper deficient that are unaware of it. The people who die from aneurysms died from a copper deficiency, Copper and iron work together to eliminate each other. also vitamin C will eliminate copper.
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[rideac1]

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If your going for a hair mineral test Analytical Research Laboratories is the best one to use.The Health Practitioner I linked to has had a lot of experience with metals and their effects on the mind and you can get advice all the time after getting the results and recommended protocol.
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\nOn some sites I have been on, people have been to naturopaths who have had hair tests done at laboratories who dont give an interpretation of the results, just mineral levels. The naturopath has not got the expertise himself to know what to properly recommend which ends up being a waste of time and money.
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[liverock]

Originally Posted by rideac1

IMO a hair mineral test would be helpful at this point to see what's going on currently rather than "guessing", and probably the other tests that I originally had done a few years ago.

I truly thank everyone for their replies and will update as usual.

If your going for a hair mineral test Analytical Research Laboratories is the best one to use.The Health Practitioner I linked to has had a lot of experience with metals and their effects on the mind and you can get advice all the time after getting the results and recommended protocol.

On some sites I have been on, people have been to naturopaths who have had hair tests done at laboratories who dont give an interpretation of the results, just mineral levels. The naturopath has not got the expertise himself to know what to properly recommend which ends up being a waste of time and money.

https://www.westonaprice.org/mentalem...d-the-mind/pdf

https://www.tvernonlac.com/contactme.html

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