� #1
Old 01-13-2013, 01:36 PM
Explorer
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 72
cheaphealer is on a distinguished road
Default The benefits of fecal transplantation

Our guts are exquisitely complex ecosystems that can be easily thown out of kilter by antibiotics, poor diet, parasites, disease, substance abuse (ethanol, coffee, sodas, sugar, fructose syrup, tobacco, etc,), giving rise to many nasty conditions that modern medicine is often poorly equipped to address.

Fecal transplantation provides the best means to correct these conditions, often in combination with diet modification, supplementation, herbs, etc,

Among the conditions that benefit from fecal transplantation (in some cases a single one an in others repeated weekly transplantations) are:

IBD, Chron's, Clostridium dificile diarrhea, severe constipation, diabetes, allergies, autoimmunity (rheumatoid arthritis, etc,), asthma, etc,
Reply With Quote
� #2
Old 01-13-2013, 02:45 PM
jfh jfh is offline
Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Texas, USA
Posts: 3,875
Blog Entries: 16
jfh will become famous soon enoughjfh will become famous soon enough
Default

Good Lord! I think I would stick with probiotic therapy. It's more appetizing. I know that the beneficial bacteria fight for space in the intestines and sometimes just don't get along with each other's colony. It is also true that evolution has created different compatible environments for each race. But it's got to be better to get help with probiotics. Something like VSL#3, which contains the highest amount of the best species.

Like urine therapy. It is understood that it is better to drink/sip the urine of a young healthy person, rather than you own, even though you own is really your own perfect medicine. But would you?
__________________
.
- Jim

Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.� Sir Winston Churchill
Reply With Quote
� #3
Old 01-13-2013, 03:42 PM
Explorer
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 72
cheaphealer is on a distinguished road
Default

We always feel aversion or revulsion for new therapies.
No probiotic can do what a whole ecosystem can.
There are so many different bacteria in the human gut, that most are unknown. Only their DNA has been identified. Many bacteria are not known because we cannot grow them in a culture (they only live in the ecosystem).
It's so effective that even conventional medicine is embracing it.
Try to save somebody from deadly C. dificile with probiotics. Fecal transplantation has become the gold standard for it.
When you think about it, you're simply putting your relative�s or spouse's bacteria in your gut full of pathogenic bacteria, you don't eat them, so what's disgusting about it?
It is cheaper, much more effective, safer and faster than probiotics (a huge business).

Regarding urine therapy. I know the hundreds of metabolytes, exogenous and endogenous toxins, etc, that the kidney has to work very hard to eliminate. Although a few useful substances are present in urine, I don�t think it can help noticeably in most cases and can harm in some. But if somebody wants to try it, I wouldn�t discourage him, if he didn't have renal insufficiency, urinary infection, porphyria, pyroluria, hyperuricemia, homocysteinemia, etc,
Reply With Quote
� #4
Old 01-13-2013, 08:39 PM
Reader
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Australia
Posts: 128
Audi is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cheaphealer View Post
We always feel aversion or revulsion for new therapies.
No probiotic can do what a whole ecosystem can.
There are so many different bacteria in the human gut, that most are unknown. Only their DNA has been identified. Many bacteria are not known because we cannot grow them in a culture (they only live in the ecosystem).
It's so effective that even conventional medicine is embracing it.
Try to save somebody from deadly C. dificile with probiotics. Fecal transplantation has become the gold standard for it.
When you think about it, you're simply putting your relative�s or spouse's bacteria in your gut full of pathogenic bacteria, you don't eat them, so what's disgusting about it?
It is cheaper, much more effective, safer and faster than probiotics (a huge business).

Regarding urine therapy. I know the hundreds of metabolytes, exogenous and endogenous toxins, etc, that the kidney has to work very hard to eliminate. Although a few useful substances are present in urine, I don�t think it can help noticeably in most cases and can harm in some. But if somebody wants to try it, I wouldn�t discourage him, if he didn't have renal insufficiency, urinary infection, porphyria, pyroluria, hyperuricemia, homocysteinemia, etc,

if many bacteria are unknown then how do they know the recepient of the fecal transplant isn't going to be infected with some undersirable/unknown therefore untreatable bacteria?
sounds like risky business to me
Reply With Quote
� #5
Old 01-14-2013, 07:45 AM
jfh jfh is offline
Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Texas, USA
Posts: 3,875
Blog Entries: 16
jfh will become famous soon enoughjfh will become famous soon enough
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cheaphealer View Post
We always feel aversion or revulsion for new therapies.
No, no. Now that's a bit condescending. I've tried many things in 6 decades, but there is a line to be drawn. I don't trust the "healthy person" bit. Who do you really trust to be healthy? Even medical doctors have problems diagnosing such. Now I know that there is a sexual fetish that involves eating feces, and that's got to be way worse than this therapy; but it still "feels" unclean.
Reply With Quote
� #6
Old 01-13-2013, 08:54 PM
Explorer
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 72
cheaphealer is on a distinguished road
Default

Because the transplant comes from a healthy person of the patient's choice.
How many bacteria and viruses do you suppose one can get from kissing a stranger, yet there are few objections to that.
Reply With Quote
� #7
Old 01-14-2013, 06:07 AM
Explorer
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 72
cheaphealer is on a distinguished road
Default

One of my 50 factors that contibute to gout file:

Clostridium acidi urici and purinolyticum produce uric acid and may play a role in causing gout., when they are present in the small intestine (which is abnormal). They can be displaced by taking lactulose or with a fecal transplant.
Reply With Quote
� #8
Old 01-14-2013, 10:23 AM
Explorer
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 72
cheaphealer is on a distinguished road
Default

If you are dying from C. dificile diarrhea and your wife doesn't have it and an enema of saline solution and her feces can save you, that sound a lot more like natural medicine than many of the treatments suggested in this website, such as herbs, MMS, silver, etc, which may wreak havoc in your flora. Not only will fecal transplantation displace C. d., but it will prevent other pathogens from establishing themselves in a distorted ecosystem and you will ensure adequate supply of biotin and other invaluable substances produced by healthy flora.

Similarly, if you have rheumatoid arthitis, etc,

As examples of the invaluable contribution of balanced flora: Alone E. coli (one of hundreds of species in the gut) produces over 100 antibiotics and fungicides. Each gram of feces contains billions of bacteriophages, viruses that keep in check pathogenic bacteria.
Reply With Quote
� #9
Old 01-14-2013, 01:40 PM
Explorer
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 72
cheaphealer is on a distinguished road
Default

Psoriasis is another conditions that responds very well to fecal transplantation, especially combined with periodic, 5 minute, hot baths in a standard bathtub with 500 g magnesium citrate and supplementation with 800 IU vit D and 200 mg magnesium citrate/d
Reply With Quote
� #10
Old 01-14-2013, 03:01 PM
Ted_Hutchinson's Avatar
Lecturer
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,783
Blog Entries: 4
Ted_Hutchinson will become famous soon enoughTed_Hutchinson will become famous soon enough
Default

Blog here on the topic

It mentions Michael Zasloff whose my hero because reading his paper on vitamin D and antimicrobial peptides got me out of repeat UTI's.

Jonathan Eisen: Meet your microbes
How about some Poo Tea?
Reply With Quote
� #11
Old 01-14-2013, 03:44 PM
Explorer
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 72
cheaphealer is on a distinguished road
Default

Thanks Ted, as always great information.
Reply With Quote
Reply Bookmark and Share

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
L-Carnitine Benefits kind2creatures Vitamins & Supplements 1 02-12-2012 03:09 AM
Avocado Benefits kind2creatures Nutrition 7 12-13-2011 02:17 PM
Garlic Uses and Benefits kind2creatures Nutrition 4 08-28-2011 04:34 AM
Uncertainty about the benefits DHA Matrix Vitamins & Supplements 5 11-19-2010 09:24 AM
Potatoes - benefits kind2creatures Nutrition 4 11-13-2010 10:23 AM