surgeon wants to take out my breast lump!

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I had a breast ultrasound done several weeks ago--came back to the doc's office and she told me it looks benign and scheduled me to see a surgeon specialist. Saw him today--after he examined my breast and I had also showed him where exactly the lump is, he told me not to worry and said to put my clothes on and he left. A moment later he came back and told me that it's not cancer, but it needs to be removed. I panicked--omg!:cry:

I had a cyst drained by him a little over a year ago on the other breast. I asked him if he could do the same to this one and he said this one is a little larger and could be solid. Unfortunately, the utrasound technician did not snap a shot of the most important area that I had shown her--she missed it. The area that my doc was concern about in the ultrasound result was, what the surgeon said, just "fullness", not the same area that we are concern about. Apparently the tech missed the main spot. She took like 25 pictures and did not take the one that I had pointed out, she just rolled over it, I didn't realized it until I got home that day. She had mentioned that I have alot of caffeine in my breast, really?

The surgeon asked if I wanted to get another ultrasound done there, to make sure what it really is and to make sure the tech get this one --oh, he can bet on that! I am a little bit relieved, but still worry and unsure. Another sleepless night for me, haven't slept much for several days and it's still unclear. :confused:

I'm getting another ultrasound done tomorrow when they call. My worry is--I don't want to get cut up, but if it's absolutely necessary, how do I perpare? What caution should I take? What do I do when it's done--should I take something to heal faster and to prevent infection? This is so overwhelming; I'm a wreck, but I'm trying to hold it together. Any comment or suggestion would be really helpful and appreciated. Thanks.
 

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If it were me I would put it off for a month and start lugol's iodine therapy, be on this protocol for a month, and eliminate all caffeine from the diet. You may be surprised to find the lump is going away. Then get the ultra sound just to be sure. Also apply lugols directly to the skin over the lump. Don't be stingy with it.

Learn about iodine therapy on this blog. Just put iodine in the search bar.
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Arrow,

BEAR WITH ME:
I also have(yes, more problems for over 7 years since I was 26) hypothyroid and have been taking armour thyroid for over 3 1/2 years, but my hair never stopped shedding--it's either bad or really bad. It grew back, but not completely for so many cylcles already. It actually got back to normal 11 months after I had my son 2 1/2 years ago, then one day I was feeling a little too warm and thought that my thyroid was acting up and called up my nurse(Wellness center) and she unauthorively(wording) put me on T-3 and hair started falling all over again since. Doctor was shocked when he found out that she had put me on T-3, he repeated like three times "she puts you on T-3?". He didn't really do anything to help me after that, he just let it be and put me on some supplements which din't help much at all.

In the past 6 months it has gotten out of control, it's thinning/receding, especially around my hairline; it's like pulling my hair straight off my scalp in the shower--it sheds all day it seems. Even all the new baby hair are struggling to hang on, and it doesn't grow out as much anymore like it used to. I am so frustrated on so many levels. This shoud be another thread, but since you've mentioned iodine, I thought I should bring this up in details, if you don't mind. I've stopped taking the armour thyroid for about 1 1/2 week now since I was down with a bad cold, ran out, forgot to re-order, and had to wait. Armour thyroid is out of stock and they've sent me Nature thyroid, it's suppose to be identical to Armour; I haven't taken it yet.

What I really want to say and ask is; my TSH has always been very, very low to almost nothing, but my my doc say it's the T-4 that I should worry about and it's in a normal range. Recently, I saw another(mainstream) doctor in my hometown and my results were: TSH--0, and T-4--normal, she said that my brain is not communicating nor sending out messages to the thyroid(?). She said it might be hyerthyroid instead--what?! She wants me to get bloodwork for antibiodies--something-- to see if it's being attacked--something like that, and then maybe send me to an endocrinologist. WOW!

So, do you know if it's okay to use lugol's iodine with all the problems that I have? Or maybe, it's really necessary. I really don't want to have surgery, but as long as it's benign and not.....you know, I'll settle for it, I guess, but not before I try the iodine therapy, if it's ok for me to do. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and info., it's a great idea, I'll do anything to avoid surgery. He's gonna have to give me some time if surgery is a must. Have to wait and see what the second ultrasound reveals--I suppose to get it done today. I'll read more on the iodine therapy when I get a little more sleep, haven't slept much at all for several days now--I'm exhausted, more mental and emotional than anything else, maybe psychological too.

It's not meant to be this long, just thoughts for more thoughts.
 

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In the past 6 months it has gotten out of control, it's thinning/receding, especially around my hairline; it's like pulling my hair straight off my scalp in the shower--it sheds all day it seems.
Hopefully you are taking a good dose of daily multivits? Good doses of the B Vitamin range (50mg) should put this right......Lots of problems are due to a high enough dose of the B vitamins. I had the problem myself at some stage, and hair drop out stopped when I corrected the Vitamin intake.
 

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TML.....I have had two breast lumps removed....one I hid from everyone till it grew to the size of a cricket ball!!! The medics didn't know what it was and I thought I was going to die, but at the end of it all it was a fibroid....I was only 16 at the time. When I was older I grew another one, but had that removed when it was small, and again it was a fibroid.

It's simple surgery and if it is not cancerous there is nothing to worry about.............go for it if necessary, unless you can get rid of it by other suggestions made here.

Hope all goes well!!
 

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TML.....I have had two breast lumps removed....one I hid from everyone till it grew to the size of a cricket ball!!! The medics didn't know what it was and I thought I was going to die, but at the end of it all it was a fibroid....I was only 16 at the time. When I was older I grew another one, but had that removed when it was small, and again it was a fibroid.

It's simple surgery and if it is not cancerous there is nothing to worry about.............go for it if necessary, unless you can get rid of it by other suggestions made here.
Hope all goes well!!
Thanks Jualsy, I really hope it's not cancerous. I'm not getting another ultrasound until Monday, then see the surgeon on Thursday. I can't believe the tech didn't snap a shot at the spot where I had pointed out! I had lost many days of sleep before I got to see the surgeon yesterday, and now I have to wait a few more days to get another, and then a coulpe of days for the result. But I'm pretty relieved now about the surgery regarding what you said. I might try to get rid of it myself--just want to experiment.

This is silly, I don't know alot of tricks with computer....how you reply with just part of a quote instead of the whole entire quote?:oops:
 

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This is silly, I don't know alot of tricks with computer....how you reply with just part of a quote instead of the whole entire quote?:oops:
Just highlight the portion you want to repeat, then do a right click and go into copy, then paste it into the reply section.
Highlight again and click on the quotation bubble above....next to the envelope!!

Hope you can fathom that!!

By the way....hair loss is a direct result of stress in most cases....get on the B Complex!!
 

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Arrow,



I've stopped taking the armour thyroid for about 1 1/2 week now since I was down with a bad cold, ran out, forgot to re-order, and had to wait. Armour thyroid is out of stock and they've sent me Nature thyroid, it's suppose to be identical to Armour; I haven't taken it yet.

What I really want to say and ask is; my TSH has always been very, very low to almost nothing, but my my doc say it's the T-4 that I should worry about and it's in a normal range. Recently, I saw another(mainstream) doctor in my hometown and my results were: TSH--0, and T-4--normal, she said that my brain is not communicating nor sending out messages to the thyroid(?). She said it might be hyerthyroid instead--what?! She wants me to get bloodwork for antibiodies--something-- to see if it's being attacked--something like that, and then maybe send me to an endocrinologist. WOW!

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I would visit an endocrinologist. I don't understand how you can have no TSH and still have T-4. I would like to have that explained. After you get a really good diagnosis then it is time to find out from a naturopath or an agreeable MD who is accustomed to working with iodine, and there are a few, if iodine therapy is for you. But just because you are visiting a high powered doc it does not mean that he will necessarily have all the answers for you. You must study the iodine information provided so you can determine if you have a chance of benefiting from this type of protocol, but then you must also have a good diagnosis.

If you have some kind of condition where antibodies are attacking then you will pretty much have to do what they say I guess. At this point, if it were me I would be looking for a high powered homeopath. Homeopathy may be able to help this but you will have to be on medication as you go through homeopathic treatment.


TSH = thyroid stimulating hormone, produced in the anterior pituitary gland stimulates the production of thyroxine (T4) and triiodothyronine (T3) by the thyroid gland

If you must stay on a thyroid product try to make it armour. It is far better than syntroid. Some people have been able to reduce the armour or synthroid with iodine therapy but you must really have a good diagnois that you fully understand so that you can make suitable dicisions.

Here is a site that is a good primer on thryoid.
http://www.ithyroid.com/

and then you have to get into the iodine information on healthsalon. Really, only you and your doctor can answer this one, but not until you have a clear diagnosis and some treatment options, both conventional and alternative to consider.
 

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Arrow, thanks for informative info.and thanks for your reply.

I will try to find a naturopath in my area, and look more into the iodine info. We are on a very tight budget as it is, since I'm a stay-at-home mom and there's only one income coming in. I hope I won't be spending more than we can afford seeing another doctor.

Do you still think it's okay for me to do the iodine therapy that you have suggested for the lump on my breast? What do you think about the castor oil pack? I read it on one of the threads, saw you had some suggestions on there also. Thanks again.
 

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Jualsy:

I have been on B-complex for a short while and it didn't seems to help. I don't know if I suppose to stay on it longer. I really need to get to the bottom of all these problems that I have. I think it's a little more complicated than that, but then again I hope not. I'm just so overwhelm. Thanks.
 

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The castor oil should be no problem and I would hit it hard with that.
I would also look into MMS. Although a different kind of lump, my son eliminated a cyst on his neck by taking mms, and a different cyst by applying Lugols iodine.

I am unsure about the iodine now for you. Many many people with thyroid problems do well on iodine and reduce or eliminate their need for thyroid medicine but for a couple of people with certain conditions it is not right and I just don't have it sorted out. I suggest that you study the iodine information and try to figure it out. Topically, directly on the lump may not be a problem since breast tissue and tissues under the arm will absorb most of it. These tissues require more iodine than any other, next to the thyroid.

If you go to this page and scroll to the bottom you will find many links to articles on iodine including the important Browstein videos.
Iodine Research

and if you pm me your email address I will send you a PDF from Dr Wright from the Tacoma Clinic about how he uses iodine for cysts.
 

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I'm going to buy the castor oil and everything that I need to make the pack today. And will order some Lugol's iodine to use topically, since you are right about having things sorted out first before knowing if it's right for me to take it orally. And will also will order some MMS today.

You have been really helpful; having people like you to connect with--who are so generous to share your thoughts and information make things seem more hopeful. Thanks a bunch.

I'm going to get my bloodwork for the antibodies done today.

I will PM you my email address now.
 

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I'm an excellent worrier. I'm just so happy that the risk is extremely low that I should ever have to worry about such a thing as any breast disease.

I will you great success in this outcome.
 

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Thanks Jim, I'm very glad that your risk is low. No need for more people to go through this sleepless, worrisome, health problem.

You said you are an excellent worrier? Well.......I think I beat you to it. It was unbearable stress and worries that got me this ill; they set me up for so many different health problems that I don't even know what they are for sure yet. And it's been seven years passed, and still going through the motion.



*Well, it turns out that I might be allergic to (potassium) iodine. After reading Dr. Wright's view on iodine which was sent to be by Arrowwind. He had mentioned that one of the allergic reactions to iodine was bumpy, red rash.

I had tried Iordoral tablets for several or more days each, on two separate occasions and had the same allergic reaction like they had mentioned on the bottle. After a few days on it, I started to get a few pimple-like red bumps on my arms and legs. Even after I had reduced the dosage to half a tablet I still got it. My doc told me to take a quarter of a tablet; I thought it was just too difficult to cut a fourth of that tiny tab, so I didn't bother and stopped after second time around. I can't believe I am allergic to the one single mineral that I desperately need!

I wonder if I will have the same allergic reaction if I use it topically; I want to use it on my breast lump BAD...
 

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Gosh TML. That's too bad about your potassium reaction. There is such a wide variety of foods that contain potassium; and it is so essential to us. It plays a role in the prevention of numerous health problems.

WHFoods: potassium

It's too bad about your use of iodine too. There is clinical proof, using a large number of people, that iodine can cure fibrocystic breast disease. Also, the typical Japanese diet maintains a daily dose of about 12mg of iodine. That means women, children, invalids, all. They do not have breast problems as do the rest of the world. The US recommended daily amount of iodine is 150mcg. That's not nearly enough to match that 12mg.

I hope you don't have to have surgery; but I know, if I were a woman, I would not have peace until I knew exactly what was happening and would choose surgery unless I did know for sure that it was not life threatening.

You said you are an excellent worrier? Well.......I think I beat you to it. It was unbearable stress and worries that got me this ill; they set me up for so many different health problems that I don't even know what they are for sure yet.
I'm with you on that. I'm sure that anxiety and sensitive emotions have placed me in my health status for a lifetime (60yrs). I remember these same problems even when I was 7 years old. Then a high stress career in the computer industry and a high stress hobbie trading commodity futures did not help. Of course with us, none of that really matters. We are very good at inventing worries where there are none. I remember that my mother would worry that when someone steps on a blade of grass, the grass would suffer needlessly. I think it runs in the family.
 

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TML, now do you think you are allergic to iodine or the potassium part?
There are some iodine products out there that have no potassium in them.


I just don't get how people can be allergic to this stuff, yet I know its true. Iodine is essential!

Perhaps it is time for some true constitutional homeopathic care?
 

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I apologize, I have miscommunicated; it was almost 2 am when I post that message, I was a little worn out, and wasn't precised with what I said. I took Iodoral-- a high potency Iodine/Potassium Iodine Supplement which contains 5 mg of iodine and 7.5 mg of iodide(as potassium salt).

It's the iodine that I'm allergic to, not potassium at all--I love bananas and was taking potassium supplement and never had any reaction, I'm fine with potassium.

I don't understand, I've been using iodized sea salt for the longest time with no problem. Maybe, it's barely there in the salt. Darn! I am so devastated. There it goes again Jim--more worries and I'm only 32; I'm an emotional mess. I know I am very deficient in this mineral--considering some of the health signals I have with the thyroid, breast lump/tenderness, hair thinning--falls out all day long. I'm terrify every time I step in the shower-- because I don't know how much it's gonna fall out; it's thinning dramatically.

You're right Arrow, perhaps it is time for true homeopathic care. I'm in a process of looking for a naturopath or an holistic physician in my area; what's the difference between the two?

The new (mainstream)doc that I'm seeing is also on a mission to help me sort out all these problems. I had bloodwork for antibodies done yesterday, and I didn't know she had prescribed a sonogram for my thyroid--that was a surprise--got that done too. I gotta keep my chin up and believe that everything will be figured out. It's not so easy for people like me and Jim, we're so good and talented at what we do--dwell on our worries. I think I got that from a non-supportive, ready-to-put me-down type of family; it's a lose, lose situation with them--every single one. And my fiance is so not good with all the emotional stuff, and friends...I have none (but oh, do I need all the love and support!). I gave up on them since high school and I'm still healing from all the knives' wounds on my back. Enough with my personal, miserable life, I don't want to bring you guys down.

So, you guys think I should try using lugols iodine topically on my breast lump? Maybe I won't get any reaction doing it that way and it might help my thyroid too, I think it's worth a try. And I wil also do the castor oil packs, and maybe MMS to--after I read all the info. on MMS.

Thanks again all, you have been very kind, thoughtful, and supportive--every little bit counts for me.
 

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You're right Arrow, perhaps it is time for true homeopathic care. I'm in a process of looking for a naturopath or an holistic physician in my area; what's the difference between the two?

It's not so easy for people like me and Jim, we're so good and talented at what we do--dwell on our worries. I think I got that from a non-supportive, ready-to-put me-down type of family; it's a lose, lose situation with them--every single one. And my fiance is so not good with all the emotional stuff, and friends...I have none (but oh, do I need all the love and support!). I gave up on them since high school and I'm still healing from all the knives' wounds on my back. Enough with my personal, miserable life, I don't want to bring you guys down.

So, you guys think I should try using lugols iodine topically on my breast lump? Maybe I won't get any reaction doing it that way and it might help my thyroid too, I think it's worth a try. And I wil also do the castor oil packs, and maybe MMS to--after I read all the info. on MMS.

OK gal! Its time to get a grip on yourself. I'm sending you to this thread in hopes that you can take the hour or two to read the info and start practicing EFT for your emotional well being.... you need to be able to cope with the changes you are going through and this tool could help.

https://www.natmedtalk.com/showthread.php?t=3582

Be sure to print out the two or so pages on exactly how to do the procedure and keep them with you till you get it.

There is a big difference between homeopathy and naturopathy. Some naturopaths do some homeopathy but in your case I suggest that you find a classical homeopath. How to know? Just ask them when you call.

You can read this link to learn exactly what homeopathy is and how it works.
Homeopathy Explained - Part One

when done move on to part two.

Question, have you used betadine or other iodine based topicals without problem? I am always concerned about allergy. Do you eat shellfish?

 

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Thanks for the useful links and great thougths, I think you woke me up from the gloom. I do need to suck it up and be positive--that's the way to live right? And of course, I will try and practice the procedure you have suggested--I really need it BAD...

What is betadine? I don't think I have ever used any iodine based topicals--not that I know of. I love shellfish--crab, shrimp, lobster, crawfish (from Louisiana, can you blame me?:D), etc.. I'd chomp those crustacians down by the pounds (not shrimp, cause they have alot of cholesterol in them) every time I get a chance, and never had any problem. That's weird, don't shellfish have alot of iodine in them? I don't get it, weird :confused:
 

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When you first begin any health protocols, like iodine, toxins will find whatever escape route they can. The skin is one way out. Perhaps you are seeing the release of toxins from your body rather than an iodine allergy. Next time you start something like this, be sure to drink lots of water to help flush toxins out. Even when microbes are being killed by the protocol, they will emit bad things like ammonia for example.

But I agree with Arrowwind. I think a homeopathic path is more reasonable for you. It is certainly a more gentle approach than the iodine. It is also a powerful health aid, if you can find a good homeopath in your area. You have a lot going on emotionally as well as physically. Be kind to yourself but resolved (disciplined).
 

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I forgot. Iodine displaces bromide in the body. Bromide is another halogen (as is fluoride). It has probably taken up residence in your thyroid due to iodine deficiency in the body. The thyroid does not know the difference; but the tragedy is that bromide does not help the thyroid in any way. You will get bromide from most pastries and bread. It is in the flour. Bakers like to use it for some reason. As bromide is displaced, it can cause detox symptoms like that rash. Iodine was removed from bread long ago; because of paranoia. Some places, in the world, are beginning to put it back. Too many people are showing symptoms of iodine deficiency.

Here is a protocol from that breastcancerchoices site that I gave you. It has worked for very many people.
Dr. William Shevin's Bromide Detox Protocol

All this detox stuff is called Herxheimer reaction. Naturopaths know this very well. So do allopaths. How many times have you heard, "It will get worse before it gets better"?
 

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What is betadine? I don't think I have ever used any iodine based topicals--not that I know of. I love shellfish--crab, shrimp, lobster, crawfish (from Louisiana, can you blame me?:D), etc.. I'd chomp those crustacians down by the pounds (not shrimp, cause they have alot of cholesterol in them) every time I get a chance, and never had any problem. That's weird, don't shellfish have alot of iodine in them? I don't get it, weird :confused:
Betadine is the typical ioidne sold in pharmacies for wound care. Lots of people use it for that but it should not be used for supplementation.

But what you said above says a lot. People who are allergic to iodine cannot eat shell fish. If you eat them the way you say you do I am seriously doubting that you are allergic to iodine! You may be experiencing some skin detox from the use of iodine. As jfh says, iodine will make you detox, and you will detox for a time when you start, no way around it. Detox shows up different in different people. Some folks get no symptoms at all.

Now I am inclined to say use the lugols topically and see how it goes. If it goes well after a week or so then start adding one drop to your diet each day....that pending your diagnosis and all with thyroid issues. By and large the majority of thyroid issues respond well to supplemental iodine. Even hyperactive thyroid issues can. But you need to know what is going on so it can be approached in a realistic and practical manner. You may detox through your skin. You will just have to see.

If skin is an issue learning about dry skin brushing will be helpful.
 

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Here is an article you will find of interest.
Dr. David Derry Answers Reader Questions -- Breast Cancer, Tamoxifen, Thyroid & Weight Loss


and this article about the herb vitex. If your anterior pituitary gland is not working well it may be just the thing to try. TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone is produced the the pituitary gland, but I am not sure if it is the anterior part... perhaps?
http://www.susunweed.com/Article_Vitex_RedMoonHerbs.htm
 

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