ObamaCare Fines To Be Seized From Bank Accounts?


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perpetual student
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This brings up a curious point. Very many wealthy people self-insure. Why should they bother to get insurance, when they have the money to cover themselves? It's cheaper than paying monthly premiums for the risk.

Now, under the new health law, they don't have a choice. They have too much money to be able to get obamacare. They only have a choice in which private insurance company to use.

The insurance industry, who wrote this law, are laughing. And now we know why the republicans, who are the friends of corporations and wealthy individuals, are fighting against obamacare.


Lovin' life~
I LOVE this guy's idea~

After not being able to even get online for the last 4 days for the NC Exchange I have just decided I am not going to participate in any way and if the IRS tries to levy any tax or penalty on me I will file a petition in the Tax Court with tens of millions of other Americans which will be consolidated into one big case before the Supreme Court that should end Obamacare. I will just pay my doctors for their services. Imagine many doctors will opt out of this system and take on private patients. Hey, maybe we can create a private patient exchange that would be exempt from Obamacare provisions!

Mad Scientest

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If you go to the Obamacare website you can see the cost of premiums and yearly deductible and if you choose to opt out from that point within a few hours they will email you stating your actual fines will be and which they now will by any means collect.

This comment was posted on the “Affordable Care Act” facebook a few days ago.
Apparently someone actually made it through around
8:00 in the morning that has a preexisting condition (Type 1 Diabetes) and with an income base around 45K-55K annually.
They chose the tier 2 "Silver Plan" which computedto monthly premiums of $597.00 (around $6,000+ per year) and a $13,988 yearly deductible!!! There is NO POSSIBLE way that would be affordable so that person "opted-out" and chose to continue along with no insurance.
Later around 5:00 P.M. they received an email stating that the fine for doing so would be $4,037 and would be attached to their yearly income tax return.Then if they still refused to pay they would go into the "REPERCUSSIONS PORTION" for "non-payment" of their yearly fine. First, your driver’s license will be suspended until paid, and if you go 24 consecutive months with "Non-Payment" and you happen to be a home owner, you will have a federal tax lien placed on your home.
Of course you can agree to give your bank information so that they can make easy "Automatic withdrawals" for your "penalties". This can be done either weekly, bi-weekly or monthly whatever is most convenient.

This is what is being called “Affordable Health Care."

Congress, staff required to buy gold ObamaCare plans
Regulations issued by the Obama administration would require members of Congress to buy one of the top-tier insurance plans from the ObamaCare exchanges. But don’t worry these poor under paid members of congress will be given a subsidy to help them pay for it.

In case you missed something in the past few weeks here is chronicle of events
Time Line of Continuing Resolution Debate:

9/20/13 - The House of Representatives passed a Continuing Resolution that would fully fund the government (including things that Republicans don't like) while at the same time defunding Obamacare.

Result: House Republicans compromised on spending that they like to see cut, in exchange for defunding Obamacare.

Friday, 9/27/13 - The Senate stripped the defunding language out of the House passed Continuing Resolution and sent it back to the House.
Result: Harry Reid and Senate Democrats refused to compromise.

Saturday, 9/28/13 - The House of Representatives added two amendments to the Senate revised Continuing Resolution to delay Obamacare for one year (far from what they were originally willing to agree to) and repeal the medical device tax.
Result: House Republicans compromised away from defunding to delaying Obamacare for one year.

Monday, 9/30/13 - The Senate stripped the two amendments from the House passed Continuing Resolution and sent it back to the House.
Result: Harry Reid and Senate Democrats refuse to compromise one inch on Obamacare.

Monday, 9/30/13 - The House of Representatives responded by adding language to the Continuing Resolution to delay the individual mandate for a year and to take away the health care subsidies Members of Congress and their staffs received from the Office of Personnel Management ruling earlier this year.
Result: House Republicans compromised away from delaying Obamacare for one year to delaying the individual mandate for a year and requiring that Congress live under Obamacare just like the rest of the American people.

Monday, 9/30/13 - The Senate voted to table the House passed continuing resolution.
Result: Harry Reid and Senate Democrats refused to compromise.

Monday, 9/30/13 - The House appointed conferees and sent a message to the Senate requesting a conference meeting to resolve their differences.
Result: House Republicans were still willing to compromise and reach a solution.

Tuesday, 10/1/13 - Midnight - No Deal is reach and a temporary shut down begins.
However the House passes bills to fund DC, parks and medical research

Tuesday, 10/1/13 - The Senate votes to table the House's request for a conference to resolve differences.
Result: Harry Reid and the Senate Democrats refused to compromise.

Tuesday, 10/1/13 - House of Representatives moves to start passing single authorization appropriation bills that need 2/3rds majority in the House for passage.
Result: House Democrats refuse to compromise on paying Veterans Assistance, National Park Service, and
Washington, DC Operations.

Wednesday, 10/2/13- Obama calls meeting at White House with Boehner, McConnell, Reid, Pelosi….Democrats refuse to negotiate!

So the only thing you need to remember here is that this whole government shutdown is solely the result of all those nasty republicans and wacko tea party members.


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It looks like theres' been a decision to get this thing off the ground before all the computer 'bugs' are ironed out.

ALL large computer complexes that are as complicated as this one, which needs answers to so many questions, will always have teething problems. No doubt the IT contractors wanted to run a few pilot schemes, in say a couple of States to get rid off any problems that emerged before going nationwide.

Trouble is when you have politicians involved they dont want delays once they have announced opening dates so as not to lose face. This attitude can backfire when you end up trying to fix problems 'on the hoof'.

There can be problems with identity theft as well when 'Navigator' staff are not properly trained or vetted.:roll:


Mad Scientest

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[FONT=&quot]If the above leaves you feeling a little sick about this affordable health care plan just wait it gets better. Buried deep within the plan is something called the medical device excise tax. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]This is a 2.3% Tax that began last January and is supposed to be "hidden" from the consumer, but it's been brought to the public's attention by Cabela’s (a hunting and fishing store) they have refused to hide it and are showing it as a separate line item tax on their receipts.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Of course you might be asking just what is a medical device excise tax and what does it have to do with a hunting and fishing store. [/FONT]

Well it allows the IRS to impose an excise tax on the sale of "certain medical devices".
Naturally you are not to question why an “affordable health plan” would be taxing certain medical devices.
[FONT=&quot]But if you did you could then go to the chapter that describes just what these devices are. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]So here is a list of some of the items to be taxed:[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

Sport fishing equipment;
Fishing rods and fishing poles;
Electric outboard motors;
Fishing tackle boxes;
Bows, quivers, broadheads, and points;
Arrow shafts;
Taxable tires;
Gas guzzler automobiles; and

[FONT=&quot]I bet you didn’t know that a tire is a medical device![/FONT]:shock::roll:

[FONT=&quot]Could things like this be why Nancy Pelosi was so eager to have this passed into law before anyone had a chance to read it?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]And then how about this? I don’t know if this was done on purpose or if it just an accident. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]But if you have a question about Obamacare there is a national hotline number you can call.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]but some people have a hard time remembering a long string of numbers so let’s convert these numbers to the letters found on your phone. [/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]But having read about the mind set of the PTP I wouldn’t automatically rule it out as just a coincidence[/FONT]

D Bergy

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Imagine millions of people paying fines for healthcare they could not afford or even sign up for, if they could afford it, by Jan 1st.

This self nuking of the Democratic Party could not have been orchestrated better if their opposition had designed it.

I thought the Republicans were experts at repelling voters. The Democrats have raised the bar to a whole new level.


Mad Scientest

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Yes it is going to be interesting when the sticker shock kicks in for those that haven't been paying attention or believed that this is going to affordable.


perpetual student
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"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government" Copied from the preamble of the Declaration of Independence.


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Mitt Romneys "non-response" response regarding Obamacare should be enough to let anybody know that this is not a liberal issue or a conservative issue. It's a $$ issue. It was good for Massachusetts because he's the guy who signed off on all the requests for a fee. It's bad for the nation because he's not part of the pyramid scheme this time around. This will be the biggest $$ making government enforced corporate goods/services compliance pyramid scheme in the history of corruption. Everybody wants a piece of that pie.