Manditory vaccination; This is INCLUDED with your ACA.....

[d0ug]

I'm in my 70s and do a lot of research and keep an open mind I don't believe the first evidences and need more. If I need a tin hat I'm in good company.
Russell L. Blaylock, M.D. A top neural surgeon expert on neural biology says vaccines are bad

Ron Paul
As a medical doctor, I believe mandated smallpox vaccines are bad medicine -
See more at:
http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2011/10/19/ron-paul-mdgovernment-vaccines-bad-policy-bad-medicine#sthash.vHDmNqEH.dpuf

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/09/27/vaccines-are-dangerous-says-the-government.aspx

http://vaccinesaredangerous.com/

http://drsircus.com/medicine/vaccines-dangerous/
There was a doctor who worked at the CDC who just came out and said that they had evidences that the vaccines caused problems in black children and coer it up

 

[Solstice Goat]

I think the science is non-existent regarding the dangers in inoculations, but the question of choice is a tough one. I think it's important for people to be able to make choices regarding their health, but the dangers of spreading disease to those with weakened immune systems is very real.

Solstice Goat, what's your profession, if you don't mind me asking?

Well, if vaccinations were truly effective (which the evidence doesn't support), and vaccination really worked, it wouldn't matter if I wasn't vaccinated, so long as you were, right?

With these new schedules that dictate you now need more frequent vaccination, because they're not as effective as first thought, a lot of people have been unprotected for a long time, yet there has been no plague.

So, as the saying goes, you cannot have your cake and eat it too.

To me, the question of choice is simple: the most basic human right is the right to your own body. However, there are many who feel the state should own your body.

I am a manufacturing engineer. I have a bachelors degree in science.

 

[Gen1GT]

Well, if vaccinations were truly effective (which the evidence doesn't support), and vaccination really worked, it wouldn't matter if I wasn't vaccinated, so long as you were, right?

With these new schedules that dictate you now need more frequent vaccination, because they're not as effective as first thought, a lot of people have been unprotected for a long time, yet there has been no plague.

So, as the saying goes, you cannot have your cake and eat it too.

To me, the question of choice is simple: the most basic human right is the right to your own body. However, there are many who feel the state should own your body.

I am a manufacturing engineer. I have a bachelors degree in science.

You're 100% correct; I'd be perfectly happy walking into an infectious disease centre where the patients all had the diseases I've been vaccinated against.

Manufacturing engineer ... that's interesting. I'm in engineering/sales (fluid power). I also write about fluid power.

dOug, I understand there is a lot of material out there showing the harm from vaccinations, but like I said, I see a lot of people in my daily life, and I don't see the effects of it.

Do you have any actual research science you can link rather than articles by the alternative media?

 

[jfh]

What I really feel is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Here, here. I'm with you on that. I've got to remember that expression. Thanks.

I do love conspiracy theories though. I have always loved sci-fi and fantasy novels too. I have a long list of those novels in my Nook eReader "wants". I've always been fond of myths too. Even the Bible. However, I've got to be more careful as these theories raise my hypertension. Instead, they should be fuel for my daydreams.

I have mixed feelings for vaccines. I have not had any since 1963. My feelings are that they could be considered preventive. I have not had much success with homeopathy, which I consider very similar to vaccines. But then, I have never been to a classic homeopathic doctor, only a naturopathic doctor. I'm all for training my immune system to fight disease. If only I could trust the "other" content of vaccines.

I've certainly had a lifetime of vaccines in my childhood. My family lived in Hawaii before it was a state. Before we could return to the continent, the authorities demanded that we have certain vaccines. Yikes! I still clearly remember the numerous days of shots.

Now I am taking allergy drops, not injections. I am doing that, because I just had nasal endoscopy (roto-rooter) to scrape and cut out polyps and clear fungus from my sinuses. Fungi had been growing there for decades. Literally decades. Thank goodness it was not aggressive, but it did cause my body to produce polyps. I could not breathe and had many sinus infections in my life. The point is that I am taking anti-allergy drops to train my body to ignore the allergy producing substances that will cause my immune system to overreact. Of course they only test for Texas allergies, but hopefully this will keep fungus from doing its damage again.

...too much information.

Anyway, there is a place for training one's own immune system via minute substances.

 

[Solstice Goat]

Anyway, there is a place for training one's own immune system via minute substances.

I agree. In fact, I believe this has been occurring naturally for millions of years.

 

[Gen1GT]

I have always loved sci-fi and fantasy novels too. I have a long list of those novels in my Nook eReader "wants". I've always been fond of myths too. Even the Bible. However, I've got to be more careful as these theories raise my hypertension. Instead, they should be fuel for my daydreams.

Myself as well. Lord of the Rings, Dungeons and Dragons, anything fantasy and sci-fi is great in my books. It's like pizza and sex; even the bad stuff is good.

But my favourite is non-fiction; I can read textbooks for fun (and I do). I was on a quantum physics kick a couple years ago, and it made me realize how much we know about the world around us, yet still have so far to go. What I realize now that I've been studying nutrition, is how absolutely little we know about nutrition! I mean, there is no other field with so many contradictory theories, experiments, results and methods. In physics, if two similar experiments were carried out on two different days, and each had completely opposite results, everyone involved in both experiments would go back to the drawing board to see how they all went wrong.

In nutritional science, if two similar experiments are carried out on two different days with opposite results, both results are still valid for their proponents, and are cited as empirical while they feed their confirmation bias.

 

[ozzie]

I simply don't see the results that should be predicted by these theories about vaccinations. I don't know anyone with autism. All three of my children have had their vaccinations, and they're all strong, healthy and intelligent children. My friends and family are all vibrant and healthy.

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Gen1GT you are so very lucky that your children have not been damaged by vaccinations I have 2 grandchildren that have been, and I can assure you that it has been proven now that MMR vaccinations can cause Autism,there is enough evidence out there. Dr Andrew Wakefield for one is one that has proven the case.
Can you explain why 1 in every 6 children now have some form of spectum disorder for example Autism,Aspergers syndrome? yes 1in 6
I for one would not vaccinate myself or my children today, knowing what is in the vaccinations.
there are some people out there that will never get what Big Pharma is doing to them.
Good luck with your vaccinations

 

[Gen1GT]

Gen1GT you are so very lucky that your children have not been damaged by vaccinations I have 2 grandchildren that have been, and I can assure you that it has been proven now that MMR vaccinations can cause Autism,there is enough evidence out there. Dr Andrew Wakefield for one is one that has proven the case.
Can you explain why 1 in every 6 children now have some form of spectum disorder for example Autism,Aspergers syndrome? yes 1in 6
I for one would not vaccinate myself or my children today, knowing what is in the vaccinations.
there are some people out there that will never get what Big Pharma is doing to them.
Good luck with your vaccinations

Where's the proof? Show me the peer-reviewed studies, please. There should be one that shows the rate of autism among target demographics that rule out all other causes.

 

[d0ug]

You would not believe it even when you see it. The person who done the studies for the CDC came out and said it. If you can not believe the man that did the study you will not believe anything.
http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/09/25/cdc-lied-just-before-whistleblower-went-public/

 

[Gen1GT]

You would not believe it even when you see it. The person who done the studies for the CDC came out and said it. If you can not believe the man that did the study you will not believe anything.
http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/09/25/cdc-lied-just-before-whistleblower-went-public/

I'm sorry dOug, but this isn't science. I need data, studies, chemistry and proof. Not things people say.

 

[d0ug]

I hope you don't want the medical science that gave us things like vioxx and other double blind scientific tests and kills near half a million people.
This was the man that did the scientific studies and than came out and said it was fraudulent.
I told you you would not believe it any ways.

 

[Gen1GT]

I'm not referring to the unpublished science done by companies developing drugs or vaccines, but peer-reviewed and publicly accessed studies and research reviews, such as these:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25285883

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25285126

If you have time, feel free to browse pubmed, and I'll gladly read the articles you find. I can tell you this; I'll be able to find 30 articles showing how safe vaccines are to every one you can find showing they're harmful.

 

[kind2creatures]

Read about the link between the MMR vaccination and Autism...http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/aut...othing-oh-wait

"CDC Whistleblower William Thompson has released a formal statement confirming the original study found a link between MMR and Autism, especially in African American and that the CDC hid the results.
"I would like to know if you have investigated this report and your comments please."
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The response:

"We are aware that the CDC has issued a statement standing by the findings of its original study ... We are also aware that the analysis by Dr Hooker has since been retracted by the journal in which it appeared ... "
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[Solstice Goat]

I'm not referring to the unpublished science done by companies developing drugs or vaccines, but peer-reviewed and publicly accessed studies and research reviews, such as these:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25285883

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25285126

If you have time, feel free to browse pubmed, and I'll gladly read the articles you find. I can tell you this; I'll be able to find 30 articles showing how safe vaccines are to every one you can find showing they're harmful.

By the gov, for the corporatists, and keep the PAC money coming.

Do make sure to keep following the USDA food pyramid (low fat, high carb).

Whether you root for the Republican wars, or the Democrat wars, is your own business.

 

[Gen1GT]

I still haven't seen any science guys...opinion articles about what scientists have said is not science. Show me the science!!!!!

Goat, you've only seen a dozen of my posts, but do you think on any level I prescribe to the food pyramid? I follow the concept of the "new food groups." Get your minimum protein and fat macronutrients, and then fill in the remaining energy requirement with healthful, unprocessed carbs. Also, your foods should be a delivery vehicle for micro- and phytonutrients.

The farmers shouldn't be telling us what to eat ... our bodies should.

 

[d0ug]

I read through the pubmed items and not saying anything bad about pubmed but if one of the doctors in one of those studies came out and said it was fraudulent I would not believe the study. That is just what happened the doctor that did the study came out and said it was fraudulent. You do not want to listen to him.
Vaccines bypass the immune protection given the body by being injected most of you immunity is in the digestive system. What study shows mercury is good for the body Oh yes the allopathic doctors in the 1800 gave it in larges doses to cure disease. It is not hard to make a study to get any results you want and if the profits of these studies make the drug/vaccine companies billions of dollars that OK too???

 

[Gen1GT]

Doug, don't get me wrong, I'm just as skeptical of allophathic medicine as you are. I think doctors these days are trained to prescribe medications to treat symptoms, not trained to treat the root cause of the symptoms.

But here's one of my observations; MD's are not scientists. When I see an article written by an MD making a claim, I take it with a grain of salt. They're just a professional with an opinion.

But when a scientist creates a study and publishes it for peer review, it's up to the other scientists and people like you and I to decide is the study was done correctly, and what application is has for me, you or anyone else. For example, was the study double blind, or did the patients know what treatment they were receiving (which has a huge outcome of the results)? Was the subject and control group size big enough to provide valid results? Etc

But you're right, if one of the authors of the study came forth and admitted the study as falsified in any way, I'd have to discredit or question all of his or her previous work, but NOT the work involved in an entire field of study! But science is serious business, and few of the hundreds of thousands of scientist out there trying to earn a living, very few are risking their careers by falsifying results. Also, even fewer respected scientific publications are going to risk promoting questionable scientific work by publishing them in their journals. Sure, garbage slips through all the time, but we can't discount the scientific method because of the bad apples.

 

[Solstice Goat]

1) I still haven't seen any science guys...opinion articles about what scientists have said is not science. Show me the science!!!!!

2) Goat, you've only seen a dozen of my posts, but do you think on any level I prescribe to the food pyramid?

2) Absolutely not. You have seen through the CW BS and eat accordingly now.

1) Assuming the FedGod documents are gospel isn't necessarily science, which I used the food pyramid as an example I knew you'd understand.

 

[d0ug]

Here is an interesting radio program about vaccines by Dr. Glidden .
http://podcast.gcnlive.com/podcast/fireYourMD/1105142.mp3

 

[Living Food]

Show me the science!!!!

This link lists the abstracts of dozens of peer-reviewed studies that concluded vaccines, and specifically the preservative thimerosal, are indeed linked to autism. You can frequently find the full version of studies online by searching for them by name.

Another thirty studies linking vaccines and autism

91 studies

I'll stop now because at this point we are reaching some serious overlap in that many of these studies are repeated across the different links, however the point is that there are dozens and dozens of studies implicating vaccines as a contributing factor in autism and other diseases (nothing exists in a vacuum).

Some of the studies are immediately relevant and present a strong case, some are weaker and some are really stretching it. No study is conducted 100% perfectly and all of them have some flaws, and if you look through them I'm sure you'll find reasons to discount a number of them. But if you review all of this data with a truly open and unbiased mind, there is only one conclusion you will reach.

Of course there are dozens of studies saying vaccines are harmless, but the most important rule of medicine (very rarely followed these days) is "do no harm." One study that can show a convincing link between vaccines and autism or any other disease/disorder will overpower 1,000 that say vaccines are harmless.

Nobody will or should do your HW for you, however we can point you in the right direction and if you are committed to learning the truth the information IS out there.

 

[Living Food]

implicating vaccines as a contributing factor in autism and other diseases (nothing exists in a vacuum).

Some people can get 20 vaccines and don't seem to have any adverse effects whatsoever, others can suffer permanent neurological damage from a single vaccine, and there are reports that some babies have literally died because of the vaccines they received. Why the huge disparity??? Everyone is different and has a different biological and genetic makeup and different people may react in very different ways to the same stimulus. One of the issues with thimerasol seems to be that some people may be far less efficient at dealing with mercury then others, so whereas most will be able to deal with the preservative without obvious or immediate repercussions there could be a small subset of the population that could suffer real harm from it.

 

[larryz]

The is nothing healthy, nothing natural about vaccines. Especially forced vaccines. To all US residents, see what you can do to help stop the tide of irrational legislation going on in America today at www.nvic.org

 

[freetobe]

This forum looks dead

Anyone know of a good forum that has consistent posts & people?

Thanks

 

[RodsHealth]

Maybe there is nothing new to be said? Horror stories about the misuse of vaccines continue in the meantime. The upcoming elections offer very little hope of improvement. What do you have to contribute to a worthy discussion?

 

[d0ug]

You need to be very naive to think that the billion dollar medical system is not looking for or making more customers. Some naive people think they are out to put themselves out of business.