dad is bruising very easily

saved1986

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I assume it is not too serious since the doc saw the bruises yesterday, but I will ot stop the fish oil for awhile and the IP6 permanently
 

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I suspect the drugs may be causing this. Vitamin C can easily be destroyed by several drugs. Vitamin K is essential, but if he is required to have a blood thinner, you would not want to give him too much vitamin K. Instead, food sources would be spinach, brussels sprouts, Swiss chard, green beans, asparagus, broccoli, kale and mustard greens.

Zinc is also necessary. Something may be preventing the body's use of zinc, such as low stomach acid.

So be aware of vitamin C, vitamin K, and zinc in prevention of bruising.
 

saved1986

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I suspect the drugs may be causing this. Vitamin C can easily be destroyed by several drugs. Vitamin K is essential, but if he is required to have a blood thinner, you would not want to give him too much vitamin K. Instead, food sources would be spinach, brussels sprouts, Swiss chard, green beans, asparagus, broccoli, kale and mustard greens.
Zinc is also necessary. Something may be preventing the body's use of zinc, such as low stomach acid.

So be aware of vitamin C, vitamin K, and zinc in prevention of bruising.

Thanks the only drugs he is on are lisinopril, atenolol (both low dosages amnd levothyroxin 50 mcg
 

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I assume it is not too serious since the doc saw the bruises yesterday, but I will ot stop the fish oil for awhile and the IP6 permanently
I'm not sure of the cause of his bruising, but Flavonoids or Arnica cream may help heal them. Here's a bit of info, for what it's worth...

Bruising after traumatic injury is a normal body response. It is only
when bruising occurs often and from very minor (often unnoticed)
trauma that a problem may exist. While easy bruising is usually not a
cause for concern, people who experience this problem should consult
a physician to rule out more serious conditions that may cause
bruising. Medical causes of easy bruising sometimes may be diagnosed
from a few blood tests conducted by a doctor. More often, however, no
clear cause for easy bruising is found. Bruises look like areas of
blue to purple-colored skin that may turn yellow to dark brown over
the course of a few days.

The conventional treatment is to manage any underlying medical
condition, such as liver or kidney disease, blood disorders (e.g.,
hemophilia, platelet dysfunction, thrombocytopenia, leukemia, and
multiple myeloma), connective tissue disorders (e.g., scurvy,
Marfan's syndrome, and Ehlers-Danlos syndrome), or the use of blood-
thinning medication (e.g., aspirin and Coumadin®).

Dietary changes may be helpful. Even minor dietary deficiencies of
vitamin C can lead to increased bruising. People who experience easy
bruising may benefit from eating more fruits and vegetables—common
dietary sources of vitamin C and flavonoids. This lack of vitamin C
or K can make us more prone to easy bruising.

Doctors often suggest that people who experience easy bruising
supplement with 100 mg to 3 grams of vitamin C per day for several
months. Controlled research is limited, but vitamin C supplements
have been shown to reduce bruising in people with low vitamin C
intake.1

Flavonoids are often recommended along with vitamin C. Flavonoids are
vitamin-like substances that can help strengthen capillaries and
therefore may also help with bruising.2 Flavonoids may also increase
the effectiveness of vitamin C; citrus flavonoids, in particular,
improve the absorption of vitamin C.

Older preliminary research suggested that vitamin C, 400–800 mg per
day, in combination with 400–800 mg per day of the flavonoid,
hesperidin, reduced bruising in menopausal women.3 A small,
preliminary trial in Germany gave three people with progressive
pigmented purpura (a chronic bruising disorder) 1,000 mg per day of
vitamin C and 100 mg per day of the flavonoid rutoside. After four
weeks, noticeable bruising was no longer apparent and did not recur
in the three month period after treatment was stopped.4 Controlled
research is needed to better establish whether vitamin C and
flavonoids are effective for easy bruising.


Homeopathy is a medical system that uses infinitesimal doses of
natural substances to stimulate a person's immune system and body's
natural defenses. Homeopathic remedies are named for the plant or
animal ingredients they are made from. Homeopathy not only offers
relief from temporary disorders but, can provide long term healing of
a person due to its individual and "wholistic" approach.

Consider Ledum 30c four times a day for bruised areas that feel cold
to the touch, or for bruises that seem to last quite a long time.
Ledum also speeds the healing of a black eye.

Arnica is considered by some practitioners to be among the best
vulnerary (wound-healing) herbs available.7 As a homeopathic remedy,
arnica is often recommended as both an internal and topical means to
treat minor injuries. Some healthcare practitioners recommend mixing
1 tablespoon of arnica tincture in 500 ml water, then soaking thin
cloth or gauze in the liquid and applying it to the injured area for
at least 15 minutes four to five times per day.


References:

1. Schorah CJ, Tormey WP, Brooks GH, et al. The effect of vitamin C
supplements on body weight, serum proteins, and general health of an
elderly population. Am J Clin Nutr 1981;34:871–6.

2. Shamrai EF. Vitamin P. Its chemical nature and mechanism of
physiologic action. Uspekhi Sovremennoi Biologii 1968;65:186–201.

3. Horoschak A. Nocturnal leg cramps, easy bruisability and epistaxis
in menopausal patients: treated with hesperidin and ascorbic acid.
Delaware State Med J 1959;Jan:19–22.

4. Reinhold U, Seiter S, Ugurel S, Tilgen W. Treatment of progressive
pigmented purpura with oral bioflavonoids and ascorbic acid: an open
pilot study in 3 patients. J Am Acad Dermatol 1999;41:207–8.

5. Moore M. Medicinal Plants of the Mountain West. Santa Fe: Museum
of New Mexico Press, 1979, 152.

6. Gruenwald J, Brendler T, Jaenicke C (eds). PDR for Herbal
Medicines. Montvale, NJ: Medical Economics Co, 1998, 966–7.

7. Weiss R. Herbal Medicine. Gothenburg, Sweden: Ab Arcanum and
Beaconsfield, UK: Beaconsfield Publishers Ltd, 1988, 342.

8. Weiss R. Herbal Medicine. Gothenburg, Sweden: Ab Arcanum and
Beaconsfield, UK: Beaconsfield Publishers Ltd, 1988, 342.

(Peacefulmind.com)
 

saved1986

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I'm not sure of the cause of his bruising, but Flavonoids or Arnica cream may help heal them. Here's a bit of info, for what it's worth...

Thanks Tonight I will give him some processed green veggies. I might have some arnica , I have to dig it out
 

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So, heart and thyroid. Beta blocker, ACE inhibitor, and synthetic thyroid enhancer.

ACE inhibitors deplete zinc. Lisinopril is listed as one that will deplete zinc. If I had to have an ACE inhibitor, I would try mega dose of magnesium first. At least his Dr can monitor him. Hopefully you have him on a multivitamin or small amount zinc supplement. As I said, zinc is one of the 3 important nutrients for bruising problems.

I don't think those drugs will deplete vitamin C. Aspirin and other NSAIDS will. So will smoking, if he is doing that. Still, it would not hurt to provide more Vitamin C.

This page might be helpful to you:
Beta blockers (used for hypertension, angina, and arrhythmia) deplete coenzyme Q10. ACE inhibitors (benazepril, captopril, enalapril, fosinopril, lisinopril), collectively deplete the body of zinc. Hydrochlorothiazide and triamterene deplete the body of B6, folic acid, and calcium.
http://www.drhoffman.com/page.cfm/155
Any blood thinning med or herb can deplete vitamin K. That would include nattokinase that has had VitK removed. Doctor's Best does that in some of their natto formulations.
 

saved1986

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So, heart and thyroid. Beta blocker, ACE inhibitor, and synthetic thyroid enhancer.

ACE inhibitors deplete zinc. Lisinopril is listed as one that will deplete zinc. If I had to have an ACE inhibitor, I would try mega dose of magnesium first. At least his Dr can monitor him. Hopefully you have him on a multivitamin or small amount zinc supplement. As I said, zinc is one of the 3 important nutrients for bruising problems.

I don't think those drugs will deplete vitamin C. Aspirin and other NSAIDS will. So will smoking, if he is doing that. Still, it would not hurt to provide more Vitamin C.

This page might be helpful to you:


Any blood thinning med or herb can deplete vitamin K. That would include nattokinase that has had VitK removed. Doctor's Best does that in some of their natto formulations.

He does not smoke anymore and I was giving him serrapeptase for 5 days stints, but that was over a week ago. I was also giving him high fish oil but stopped that.
 

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If your dad is a tea drinker, add some colloidal silver to the teapot. If not, some 20 ppm colloidal silver water to wash down the daily fish oil would help.

The problem when you get old is that your immune system weakens to a point that it can no longer protect you, hence, the colloidal silver daily.

Just for the record, I drink about 6 ounces of 20 ppm ionic colloidal silver daily, and have done so for many years. I have not had a cold or the flu since starting the silver, nor has any part of me turned blue.

The bottom line is colloidal silver kills pathogens in the body so the immune system doesn't have to. This is very beneficial, especially in old age.
 

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is he possibly taking asprin.... I have an elderly friend who is using asprin every day because the doctor told her to. She bruises so easily and so badly that it really scares me...a recent trip to the lab to get 1 tube of blood bruised over half her arm for over a week..... I tell her to cut back, but she wont because her doctor wont tell her to
 

saved1986

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is he possibly taking asprin.... I have an elderly friend who is using asprin every day because the doctor told her to. She bruises so easily and so badly that it really scares me...a recent trip to the lab to get 1 tube of blood bruised over half her arm for over a week..... I tell her to cut back, but she wont because her doctor wont tell her to

He use to get those on aspirin, but does not take it anymore
 

saved1986

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Last Wed I went to the store and bought Vit K (50 percent RDA with vit D). Gave him one tablet (but also stopped all the potential blood thinning supplements). Came back sunday night and he was perfectly fine. Not a single bruise.
 

Arrowwind09

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My mom had a bruising problem for a while. She took some HGH precursors and it got rid of it.

If old men want to live long and well they should be taking testosterone and DHEA
 


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