A New Urine Test for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

[whetstone]

An interesting new urine test that may be helpful for people with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) also know as Myalgic encephalopathy (ME) has been developed by Dr. [FONT=Verdana, Arial]Kenny De Meirleir.[/FONT]

This new urine test measures the amount of Hydrogen Sulphide (H2S) in the urine.

H2S is a potent neurotoxin and high levels of H2S within the body can cause a host of health problems. H2S can actually be created within the gut when bacteria and mold/fungi come into contact with heavy metals.

Here's where you can get this new urine test:


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So more info about this new urine test and H2S:


Scientists develop home-testing kit for ME | Mail Online

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial]The Infamous Hydrogen Sulfide (H2S) and its health effects


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When gut bacteria or fungi are attacked by something like a heavy metal molecule (e.g. mercury), they have a special defense mechanism (called a "resistance gene") that produces Hydrogen Sulfide (H2S) gas, which binds to the attacker and neutralizes it.


Subsequently this highly toxic and poisonous H2S gas is created in the gut. H2S can impair the immunity system, especially in the area of neutrophil function, which is used to fight the original yeast in the gut, and hence one can hit a vicious cycle.


H2S is very similar to the heavy metal mercury, in that it can bind to many of the things that mercury binds to and inactivate them.


In other words, all the bad things that mercury can do, as described here, H2S can also do. H2S can also convert the safer inorganic mercury to the more dangerous organic mercury, as described here.


H2S has a very special circular relationship with the heavy metals; and therefore, it is a very special gas. [/FONT]

 

[RCannon]

I read that H2S can cause suspended animation in experiments with rats. No side effects. They wake up when the gas is removed.

 

[u&iraok]

Recent research has demonstrated that at low, non-toxic doses, exogenous H2S produces a reversible state of hibernation-like deanimation in mice, causing a decrease in core body temperature, an apnea-like sleep state, reduced heart and respiration rates, and a severe metabolic drop [1]. These characteristics are not unlike the symptoms and extreme "de-animation" experienced by CFS/ME patients.

I have CFS and this is how I feel. This is probably the best explantion for the fatigue I feel that I've ever read. It's hard to explain to others that it's not a regular tiredness but this might do it. It does feel like I'm drugged too. I wonder if this also explains why I am often in a state between awake and asleep where I'm awake but dreaming. It's freaky.

The brain, pancreas and the gastrointestinal tract produce H2S. Endogenous H2S plays a role in regulating blood pressure, body temperature, vascular smooth muscle, cardiac function, cerebral ischemia, and in modulating the hypothalamus/pituitary/adrenal axis. It even has been called a "master metabolic regulator.

This would fit what goes wrong in CFS. I hope they can do something with this information. Short of changing this polluted emf'ed stress-laden world, that is.

Thanks for posting this, whetstone. Interesting about the interaction of mercury with H2S.

 

[whetstone]

Prof. [FONT=Verdana, Arial]Kenny De Meirleir's conference slides about Hydrogen Sulfides role in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.[/FONT]

https://www.slideshare.net/guest478151/kenny-de-meirleir-mecfs-hydrogen-sulfide-and-aberrant-prion-disease

 

[liverock]

Dr Sarah Myhill has also pioneered some mitochondrial tests for CFS patients(Unfortunately they are only available to UK patients at the moment due to the lab being overwhelmed).

CFS sufferers have a form of cardiomyopathy due to malfunctioning mitochondria according to a NIH study commisioned to determine who was eligble for social security.

When standing their cardiac output can be up to 30% lower than a healthy person which affects all organs.

Dr Myhill outlines in detail what this means for the vital organs of CFS patients.

https://www.drmyhill.co.uk/article.cfm?id=381

Dr Myhill also has a free 200 page ebook on CFS which can be downloaded:

https://www.drmyhill.co.uk/article.cfm?id=362

 

[Arrowwind09]

I thought chronic fatigue syndrome was a syndrome not a specific disease. This test would indicate that it is a disease with very specific chemistry involved.

I know someone who was diagnosed with CFS. She had chronic Epstein Barr. MMS got rid of it in short order.

 

[pinballdoctor]

Most Chronic fatigue is caused by a yeast overgrowth.

The yeast "steals" the nutrients from your food, which leaves you feeling drained.

They also produce mycotoxins, that stress the immune system.

More yeast means less good bacteria, which means less B12, which means less energy.

 

[nightowl]

u&iraok,
In the quote above, it states that exogenous H2S produces a 'reversible' state of hibernation-like deanimation in mice. Any idea what they can use to reverse it?

whetstone,
To quote your article above:

"In other words, all the bad things that mercury can do, as described here, H2S can also do. H2S can also convert the safer inorganic mercury to the more dangerous organic mercury, as described here."
Dr. Saul Pressman has said many times in his forum that using ozone converts heavy metals like mercury into a safer form that can be eliminated easily by the body...I believe he said through the skin...but your post indicates that once the mercury is made harmless, by ozone or any other means, that H2S can change it back to the harmful form. Very interesting!

 

[liverock]

Indigenous H2S is normally a small amount of H2S produced in the body and controlled by the Cystathionine-Beta-Synthase(CBS) enzyme and for most people this works adequately. Its only those with a genetic defect in this enzyme that produce excessive indigenous H2S.

H2S has several functions in the body including keeping BP stable and trying to lower indigenous H2S among those without the defect can cause problems. Most people dont produce enough indigenous H2S and thats why people with high BP take garlic,which increases indigenous H2S and helps lower high BP.

https://www.physorg.com/news111690272.html

For those with high indigenous H2S, Hydroxycobalamin a type of vitamin B12, has been found to reverse H2S overload symptoms in mice.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17976885

Most CFS practitioners recommend Hydroxy B12 because it is a nitric oxide scavenger and excess nitric oxide has been shown to be a factor in CFS.

https://www.ei-resource.org/treatment-reviews--other/specific-treatment-protocols/martin-pall-treatment-protocol/

Most CFS practitioners however, are not aware that the Hydroxy B12 is also being used up in scavenging H2S (which usually has entered the system from the gut) and wonder why they cant raise their patients B12 levels. :shock:

Dealing with exogenous H2S in the gut is a different matter than indigenous H2S and more of a problem for most CFS sufferers.

https://www.beatcfsandfms.org/html/HealYourGut.html#gutgas

H2S in the gut is more serious than just 'egg smell gas' it can also damage colon DNA and be a precurser to colon cancer.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez/17475672?dopt=Abstract&holding=f1000,f1000m,isrctn

 

[u&iraok]

I thought chronic fatigue syndrome was a syndrome not a specific disease. This test would indicate that it is a disease with very specific chemistry involved.

I know someone who was diagnosed with CFS. She had chronic Epstein Barr. MMS got rid of it in short order.

The article talks about mitochondria dysfunction but also says to find out what's causing the mitochondrial dysfunction. Watching CFS research unfold is like that story about the blind people feeling parts of the elephant and each saying it was something different. All these pieces of research are interesting but how do you put them together? What is causing the mitochondrial dysfunction?

Everyone on the CFS boards says, I took this, I took that and I feel better. But they're not cured. And how do we know that fatigue is sometimes the body saying, please let me rest, you've stressed me out and I need to heal. (Or then sometimes it's saying give me iodine and thyroid glandular, stat, then let me rest. )

The person diagnosed with CFS who had Epstein Barr, maybe she really just had Epstein Barr, not CFS. Some of the symptoms are similar but not everyone that has CFS has Epstein Barr.

Because it's a syndrome, there are different aspects to it. Heavy metal poisoning, endocrine system dysfunction, immune system dysfunction (either underactive or overactive), digestive dysfunction, impaired oxygen transport, inability to handle stress/an overstimulation by adrenaline, nutritional deficiencies, etc.

For me, I had heavy metal poisoning followed by a case of the flu. I had the symptoms of heavy metal poisoning but it wasn't until I got the flu that I had symptoms of CFS. Often some stressor like the flu or a car accident is the trigger to getting CFS, like the last straw. It's like the body was having all these problems and finally, boom, it goes into CFS. It's similar with autoimmune diseases, there's usually a trigger, a last straw.

I've had CFS for 5 years and have been working on the different issues I have so I don't know if by working on each thing I'll be cured or not. I feel better then I feel worse, feel better than worse so we'll see.

 

[u&iraok]

u&iraok,
In the quote above, it states that exogenous H2S produces a 'reversible' state of hibernation-like deanimation in mice. Any idea what they can use to reverse it?

Maybe B12 like liverock says above but I guess you already saw that. B12 is found to be low in the brains of people with CFS. B vitamins are important for CFS. I take the methyl form of B12 though they say the hydroxy form above. I wonder if it matters. Maybe B12 shots are better for getting the levels up.

whetstone,
To quote your article above:

"In other words, all the bad things that mercury can do, as described here, H2S can also do. H2S can also convert the safer inorganic mercury to the more dangerous organic mercury, as described here."
Dr. Saul Pressman has said many times in his forum that using ozone converts heavy metals like mercury into a safer form that can be eliminated easily by the body...I believe he said through the skin...but your post indicates that once the mercury is made harmless, by ozone or any other means, that H2S can change it back to the harmful form. Very interesting!

This is why I'm nervous about mercury detoxing. For me personally the mercury did damage going in, but more damage coming out. (when I say I had heavy metal poisoning in my post above I'm referring to when it came out though I guess technically I was poisoned when it went in. What's 'technically', really? I don't know, man.)If the mercury is being changed in the intestines, well, that's when it's coming out. The mercury being stored in tissues, brain and bone can't be good but what if it's worse if you make it come out?

Then there's some that say, this kind of mercury here is not dangerous, it's this other kind that is. Well, thanks for the book learning but hi, it did damage. Now we see one reason why, maybe. The body is so amazingly complicated I'd rather be careful about determining anything for sure having to do with it.

I have one filling left and when I do a heavy metals saliva test it picks up mercury. I don't know if I should get that one filling out (safely) or not.

Mercury vapor and inorganic mercury have been documented to be methylated to methyl mercury by mouth and intestinal bacteria, along with candida albicans and other methyl donars(28), so that even people who don’t eat fish but do have several amalgam fillings have high levels of methyl mercury in saliva and blood

(28) Heintze et al,“Methylation of Mercury from dental amalgam and mercuric chloride by oral Streptococci”.,Scan. J. Dent. Res. 1983, 91:150‑152; & L.I.Liang et al, "Mercury reactions in the human mouth with dental amalgams" Water, Air, and Soil pollution, 80:103-107.

 

[nightowl]

u&irack,

I did read not long ago that if you attempt to remove heavy metal, you should be sure to take chlorella to help flush it out of the body before it settles into the tissue, especially the brain.

In your case, if the mercury did worse damage coming out, you may have done better using ozone treatments, especially saunas, if it's eliminated through the skin. Many people detox with ozone by ear insufflation when the problems are in the head and neck region. I've never tried ozone, but I've done a lot of reading on the ozone forum.

 

[u&iraok]

u&irack,

I did read not long ago that if you attempt to remove heavy metal, you should be sure to take chlorella to help flush it out of the body before it settles into the tissue, especially the brain.

In your case, if the mercury did worse damage coming out, you may have done better using ozone treatments, especially saunas, if it's eliminated through the skin. Many people detox with ozone by ear insufflation when the problems are in the head and neck region. I've never tried ozone, but I've done a lot of reading on the ozone forum.

I wish I'd known. I wasn't actually trying to remove it but I was remineralizing at the time which may have done it, or having just been pregnant possibly started the detox.

Would a sauna have triggered it's removal from the skin first and that would have been the body's first and better choice? Maybe because I don't sweat easily it was mostly removed by my intestines. I had 8-10 bowel movements a day. Intestinal reabosorbtion is a danger and I surely didn't know about chlorella at the time. I am a big cilantro eater but I doubt that did enough.

See this is why alternative medicine is so important and getting the knowledge out there. If I'd known then what I know now, I wouldn't be here. (I keep seeing myself having that filling removed and swallowing a piece of it....[hits head with palm])

 

[Arrowwind09]

Cilantro can do quite a bit. You gotta take a lot of chlorella to bind on to the mercury in the gut and carry it out.


you could start looking here. This guy is really about the master on the topic.
https://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/9steps.htm

https://www.klinghardtacademy.com/BioData/Dr-Dietrich-Klinghardt.html
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[u&iraok]

Thanks, I'm a huge Klinghardt fan. I know this now....the unfortunate thing is, that I didn't know it then. But I would encourage anyone to read what the esteemed doctor has to say.