My appologies if there is a post that would answer this, but i have been searching. i searched for keywords "chrons" for example and 2 posts came up. And i have seen posts where chrons have been mentioned too. Not sure what to make of it.
I was diagnosed with morbus chron in 2004, and have tried several medications through my specialist. None has worked so far.
I was informed about MMS through a study friend, and have been using it for allmost 3 weeks now. And i have been using it once a day, taken the drops before i went to bed. I am up to 18 drops now. And i do feel changes, i have never been so well in my stommach reagion since before i was diagnosed.
But what i am wondering is, how to use it for Chrons. i have read a few posts where some use it several times a day, and some one time a day. Some use it daily and others a few times a week/month.
Do anyone have any knowledge to when i can experiment with a regular diet? I'm stil a bit sceptic about trying even tho i somehow feel well.
This doesn't have anything to do with MMS, but I thought it might be interesting and beneficial for you to read. Our forum member, Harry Hirsute wrote about the use of Wormwood in his Healthy Fellow blog.
That is indeed interesting. I think i will get me some and follow the instructions given on that blog. Thanks alot.
But i also would like some clarification on MMS usage for Chrons, other experiences and how they did it and if they "cured" it or got it under controll.
I used MMS to bring my Crohn's under control a couple of years ago. I worked up to a 15 drop dosage and took it everyday for six weeks. To the best of my knowledge, I was the first person to use MMS as a Crohn's treatment.
After that, I started my prescription for Low Dose Naltrexone to make my immune system respond in a more normal manner.
I have it well under control, and still do use MMS if I get any hint of a flare.
I also take various anti-inflammatory supplements for good measure and general good health.
I live a normal life, and no one could tell I have the disease today.
I used MMS to bring my Crohn's under control a couple of years ago. I worked up to a 15 drop dosage and took it everyday for six weeks. To the best of my knowledge, I was the first person to use MMS as a Crohn's treatment.
After that, I started my prescription for Low Dose Naltrexone to make my immune system respond in a more normal manner.
I have it well under control, and still do use MMS if I get any hint of a flare.
I also take various anti-inflammatory supplements for good measure and general good health.
I live a normal life, and no one could tell I have the disease today.
Dan
Thanks a million. I'm currently on Imurel for imune system. According to my specialist i'm on a "normal" doseage.
When you get a flare, do you take 15 drops every 2 hours until symptoms disapear?
Your post has helped me alot, and i look alitle brighter onwards now. Hehe.
I do not use multiple doses during the day. I will use one dose a day, for a few days.
It just is not practical for me to do multiple doses, and it is not like the bacteria can get resistant to it.
You are using an immune suppressant, and that is the usual way to treat Crohn's, but there are possible consequences going that route.
By suppressing the immune system it can and does relieve the symptoms of Crohn's. It also allows a certain amount of bacteria to accumulate since your immune system is not as effective. This can allow other autoimmune diseases to develop over time, since you do not have the defenses to keep the pathogens responsible out of your body.
Look into Low Dose Naltrexone as a better long term treatment. It boosts your immune system, making it possible for your body to remove the pathogens that cause the symptoms in the first place. That is what MMS is doing directly, so if you can get your immune system on board, you do not have to rely on a chemical to do it for you.
I do not use multiple doses during the day. I will use one dose a day, for a few days.
It just is not practical for me to do multiple doses, and it is not like the bacteria can get resistant to it.
You are using an immune suppressant, and that is the usual way to treat Crohn's, but there are possible consequences going that route.
By suppressing the immune system it can and does relieve the symptoms of Crohn's. It also allows a certain amount of bacteria to accumulate since your immune system is not as effective. This can allow other autoimmune diseases to develop over time, since you do not have the defenses to keep the pathogens responsible out of your body.
Look into Low Dose Naltrexone as a better long term treatment. It boosts your immune system, making it possible for your body to remove the pathogens that cause the symptoms in the first place. That is what MMS is doing directly, so if you can get your immune system on board, you do not have to rely on a chemical to do it for you.
I just got back from my specialist, and told him that i had heard of LDN and wanted to switch to those meds. And he said that LDN wherent approved for usage in Europe for Morbus Crohn. He said that there where to few and undocumented research on LDN. That when they did the research they only looked at how the patient was feeling, and did not test the colon with stool samples or colonoscopy(wich is not as fun as it sounds).
So I have to either continue with 150 mg Imurel a day or try to get on by just the MMS. When do i know when I can start stepping down from Imurel
I also bought 10 000 gelatin capsules from China, 70 bucks with transport. It makes the intaking of MMS alot easier, but i have to swallow the capsules straight away after i put 2 drops of MMS and 10 drops of Citric Acid, tried to let them stay for 3 minutes but then the gelatin melted. Scary huh?
Anyways, I take 2/10 about 3 - 4 times a week. My stommach have started to feel abit grumpy, didnt take MMS for a week. But that can also have something to do with me starting to eat lettuce again. Wich i havent eaten in 3 - 4 years.
I think your capsules are melthing down due to moisture not the mms specifically. Test one with just water.
Dan, do you know of anyone who has tried to use australagus root herb to moderate their immune system with crohn's?
I always thought that if I had to deal with that disease that I might seek out a skilled chinese herbalist.... but perhaps others already have? What about Transfer Factor?
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Wow, You are right Arrowwind. I allways thought you needed hot water to melt gelatin.
BTW, After starting with MMS i have started to get a running nose. It's just fluid, but its annoying. In the middle of class i start to get a running nose and have to look up to not have an accident. Is that anything relevant to MMS?
vitamin D3 treatment in Crohn's disease CONCLUSIONS: Oral supplementation with 1200 IU vitamin D3 significantly increased serum vitamin D levels and insignificantly reduced the risk of relapse from 29% to 13%, (P = 0.06).
This trial shows just 1200iu/daily D3 reduced crohn's relapse rate 50%.
Perhaps using a more effective amount that raises 25(OH)D such the body maintains a reservoir of stored D3 such as the 60ng/ml 150nmol/l at which human breast milk flows replete with D3 we would see an even greater reduction in relapse rate.
Thank you Ted, I have actualy heard somewhere before that Vitamin D could be used to reduce symptoms, and have been taking 10 mcg Vitamin D-3 daily(400 IU).
I'm glad to see that "comfirmed", and have a more specific number to test it with.
For those others who wonder: 1200 UI = 30 MCG/MG.
But I have also learned that too much Vitamin D can increase kalsium levels. and too high kalsium level is not good.
Thank you Ted, I have actualy heard somewhere before that Vitamin D could be used to reduce symptoms, and have been taking 10 mcg Vitamin D-3 daily(400 IU).
I'm glad to see that "comfirmed", and have a more specific number to test it with.
For those others who wonder: 1200 UI = 30 MCG/MG.
When it comes to relapse rate in MS it's been shown relapse rate is lowest above 48ng/ml (it could actually be higher just the paper I read didn't have participants over that level but each 10ng/ml increase in 25(OH)D reduced relapse rate.
Once 25(OH)D gets above 40ng/ml 100nmol/l daily needs have been met and it's possible to measure increases in Vitamin D stored in tissue.
The advantage of optimum circulating vitamin D levels PLUS a reserve of stored D3 is that it evens out the rises and falls of status through the year. It's the periods of change that create imbalance between pro and anti inflammatory controls and also in the regulation of cell proliferation. Keeping a natural equilibrium is easier if you have a reservoir of D3 distributed round the body, it also makes it easier for the autocrine production of calcitriol to occur locally when required rather than relying on the kidneys to produce centrally calcitriol and flood the whole body.
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But I have also learned that too much Vitamin D can increase kalsium levels. and too high kalsium level is not good. [/url] That is not a good reason NOT to correct vitamin D insufficiency. It IS a good reason to work out how much of your daily calcium RDA 1000~1200mg is available in the foods you usually consume, not forgetting the water and other beverages you drink. Ideally you will limit supplemental calcium to just 600mg maximum and use the blended form Calcium/citrate/malate that can be taken in the evening.
However I'm sure most readers are aware magnesium is required to counterbalance the actions of calcium. Calcium excites brain neurones while magnesium calms them, calcium tenses muscle fibres magnesium relaxes them. Magnesium is a natural calcium channel blocker.
The problems with excess calcium following increased vitamin D status is the fault magnesium insufficiency NOT excess vitamin D3.
More than 60% of the population DON'T even consume the current low RDA for magnesium but those who consume milk, cheese, yoghurt as well as veggies fish and drinking calcium rich water may well be getting more than sufficient calcium. People forget that magnesium is water soluble and the reason the sea is high in magnesium is the result of magnesium depletion from the land. Not only is there less magnesium in the soil modern fast maturing veggies/grains are in the soil for less time and have lower magnesium levels. The decline in magnesium is particularly noticable since the mid 1960's when the science of plant breeding intensified.
Another major factor allowing excess calcium to float round the body causing problems is a lack of vitamin K2. We should all be consuming pasture raised butter but health professionals have been saying the opposite. It's vitamin K2 that fixes calcium in bones.
Get your vitamin D, magnesium and vitamin K2 right and limit calcium supplements to 600mg/daily.
I have a great deal of faith in MMS for treating Crohn's. It has worked often enough to make it a viable treatment, but it is not a benign substance, so I would try hard to get LDN so you do not have to take MMS all of the time.
Ted has very good advice on how to bring your body into as good a state as it can be. This all helps in the long run.
I am happy that MMS has helped you so much, but using it long term makes me a bit nervous. We pretty much know that most people tolerate it well over the short run. We have no clue what effect long term use will have.
New specialist, and he also said that LDN is not allowed for use in Norway for treating Crohns. Something about to few clinical trials and research.
In stead i got a new medication caled "Humira". It's a shot i have to take every 14 days, and it reduces the imune system in a way, but somehow diferently. I didnt realy understand how it works when he explained it to me.
Ive been on that for a week now and dont have any side effects as of yet. I have been taking 1200 IU of D vitamin a day and recently started with 500 IU of E vitamin daily.
I generaly feel great, and can focus all my time on school. So far.
I only take MMS once a week, and then i take 6 drops in a glass mixed with grapejuice.
And my supplier of MMS just recently mailed me saying that they where removing MMS due to a FDA warning. So i need to hunt down a new supplier and stockpile.
I have not tried MMS2 yet, but am considering trying it out.
Any tips for MMS usage with Chrons
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