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Old 10-04-2009, 12:20 PM
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Unhappy THE TRUTH ABOUT THE HEALTHCARE BILLS

THE TRUTH ABOUT THE HEALTHCARE BILLS

By Michael Connelly, Retired attorney,
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September 15, 2009


Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, constitutional law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected.

To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and its implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of health care, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free
health care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession.

The Bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business and put everyone into a government run system. All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled.

However, as scary as all of that it, it just scratches the surface. In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated. If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed.

The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American
people and the businesses they own. The irony is that the Congress doesn't have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with. I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.

This legislation also provides for access by the appointees of the Obama administration of all of your personal healthcare information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician and hospital. All of this is a direct violation of the specific
provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide.

If you decide not to have healthcare insurance or if you have private insurance that is not deemed "acceptable" to the Choices Administrator" appointed by Obama there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a "tax" instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the
due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn't work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the "due process of law.

So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much out of the original ten in the Bill of Rights that are effectively nullified by this law. It doesn't stop there though. The 9th Amendment that provides: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;" The 10th
Amendment states: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were their's to
control.

I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing power and limiting rights. Article 6 of the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to "be bound by oath or affirmation" to support the Constitution. If I was a member of Congress I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway I would hope the American people would hold me accountable.

For those who might doubt the nature of this threat I suggest they consult the source. Here is a link to the Constitution:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/cha...ranscript.html

There you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us.

Michael Connelly
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Old 10-04-2009, 12:26 PM
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Well, now I see that the link doesn't work in my post above... They moved the Constitution conveniently. Must be because they are busy re-writing it already!
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Old 11-17-2009, 06:45 PM
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How about posting this article where the nation can see it. We don't want NAZI health care! I'm unemployed, can't afford insurance, throw me in jail.

Is the White House trying to set up a French Revolution?
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Old 11-17-2009, 08:03 PM
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Pretty hard to find a source for posting news to the nation when the media has been controled for many years, other than the internet. See the video that I posted on this forum here...on the Chitchat thread.

http://www.natmedtalk.com/showthread.php?t=4734

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The only thing I can think of to do, is to call/write our Reps in Senate and
Congress telling them we DO NOT WANT A HEALTH CARE BILL, and to please
vote Against it.
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I believe your analysis deserves national attention. I would try to contact the Jeff Rense radio show, George Noory from Coast to Coast radio,(he may even do a show with you) Blacklisted News, or Executive Intelligence Review. These people publish quality reviews just as you have posted.

I have written my congressman, senator and Mr. Reid. I get the feeling that they are not interested in the will of the people and that they are just as shallow as the controlled media.
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I have written my congressman, (Good! That is a start, but we need millions of people writing to really get their attention.) senator and Mr. Reid. I get the feeling that they are not interested in the will of the people and that they are just as shallow as the controlled media.
Of course they are not interested for the most part they are bought and paid for just like the MSM.

But there is a pink slip campaign going on that appears to be getting some of their attention.

http://superstore.wnd.com/store/item...&AD2_ID=EMA194
However strangely enough you don't hear much about it in the MSM.
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But there is a pink slip campaign going on that appears to be getting some of their attention.

http://superstore.wnd.com/store/item...&AD2_ID=EMA194
However strangely enough you don't hear much about it in the MSM.
Good grief! $29.95. I wonder how many they are getting.

I send emails to my senators and congressman. The only thing that happens is that I'm added to their email list; so they can tell me how wonderful they are doing to vote "no" on anything the democrats want. Idiots. I'd like to see reasonable debate. Their excuse is that these bills will create a government takeover of health care. If anything, people will get rid of their excessive insurance and get the government's as their preferred option. This will cause the insurance companies to become "supplemental" as they are with Medicare. Serves them right.

The public option would not become effective for 4 years anyway. By that time, the largest population of baby boomers will be joining medicare and will have no need for it. I was hoping for it sooner. The baby boom started in 1946 - ended in 1964. I can think of 2 social services that will be in panic crisis mode. Remember when we baby boomers started High School? For some stupid reason they did not see us coming. They went into panic and set up portable classrooms, while they started building bigger schools. They had 13 years to prepare. Same thing will happen with social security and Medicare.
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So I still haven't found a good link to read the bill for myself. Just links to commentaries.

I intuitively do not trust this commentary. I want to read it for myself and I certainly am not going to be making a big roar about something that I have not read myself

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We have heard a lot about how this new health bill will hurt the insurance companies and that they are against it. Yet I have been hearing that much of this bill was written by the insurance companies. How can this be? Why would the companies write a bill that they are apposed to? Could this be a little reverse psychology? They obviously know that most people view the current health care system as broken and are demanding a fix. But a real fix might hurt them financially. So they come up with a fix that is more agreeable to them and in the long run could prove to be very profitable, particularly if everyone is forced to buy insurance.

So by pretending that they are opposed to any changes in the current system they can convince a lot of people that if the insurance companies apparently don’t like it then it must be a good bill.

This is similar to what happen to our banking system in the early 1900’s.

Then people were concerned about amount of control that a few New York banks had over the economy. As a result there was a demand for banking reform. Naturally the bankers saw this as a threat to their way of doing business. Thus the Federal Reserve System was created to control the economy and to control inflation.

Unfortunately what the people back then didn’t realize was that this system was secretly designed and created by the very bankers that it was suppose to control. Thus it really shouldn’t be any surprise that no matter how hard the Federal Reserve System claims to be trying to control the ups and downs of the economy they are never quite able to do it. Oh but they are working to the very best of their ability and if we just give them a little more time maybe they will get it right, naturally there is only so much that you can do in a 100 years.

So while this is a new era I think we are watching a comparable scenario taking place.
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I would be more inclined to say...give the bankers more time to make money! I have several credit cards and every one of them has raised their rates in the last few months. I think they should honor the contract they agreed to before I used their cards, and if they find it necessary to raise rates, that should only apply to the new charges. Most of my cards had fixed rates and they still raised them, even though I have a clean credit standing. They are also saying that they may or may not honor balance transfers, so what happens if I transfer a balance and they don't honor it? It would look bad on my credit rating. If you close your account they threaten to demand full payment. I won't cancel it...I just won't use it.

A couple of weeks ago the credit agency of one of my most used cards sent me a notice that my rate will increase by 4% next month..but if I added a $5,000 balance transfer to my account they will lower both the transfer rate and purchase rate 5% below my current rate "until January 1, 2011"...(13 months). At that time all balances would change to the new higher rate...increasing a total of 9% above the special rate. Well, you know that in one year I'd be lucky to pay $500 toward that principal, so then my account would be $4,500 higher on top of my original balance with one heck of a lot higher interest each month. Well, this is hard to explain without showing figures, but I hope you understand the slick way they operate. If they all push too hard, there's always bank ruptcy, and I think that's their goal...so they can write it off of their taxes.

Sorry, I got a little off topic M. S., but it's all about money!
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"Send your congressman a pink slip" appears to be working! Even thought the MSM has pretty much ignored it.

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Good grief! $29.95. I wonder how many they are getting.
Pink-slipping Congress wipes out paper supplies
Mills ramping up to make more, all designated for campaign
WASHINGTON – For a second time, the supplies of pink paper have been wiped out across North America by a true grass-roots campaign to send pink slips to members of Congress, warning them against support for the health-care takeover, big spending, hate-crimes legislation and energy taxes.
If stacked, 8 million pink slips would be more than half a mile high. Add yours to the pile. WND got notification yesterday of the shortage – which already is being resolved – from the printer of pink slips that have been streaming into Capitol Hill by the millions. The latest count was more than 8 million.
"The WND pink slip campaign has wiped out ALL Hammermill pink paper supplies in North America," said a campaign official. "All pink paper resources throughout the country were pooled to ship to our printer for production of pink slips.
"Other than small quantities already in stock at print shops and retail outlets, no other pink paper is available for purchase since it is currently on backorder," the official continued.
"Hammermill's mills are ramping up to manufacture more pink paper, ALL designated for WND."
The campaign, however, had stockpiled enough paper for the most recent deluge of pink slips, and the new manufacturing efforts are expected in time to meet the next surge, officials confirmed.
"We'll go outside the U.S., if necessary," to get enough supplies, said Joseph Farah, founder and CEO of WND.
Farah, who organized the campaign with WND columnist Janet Porter, says the campaign has been picking up since a half-dozen members of Congress held a press conference recently to announce their support of the effort – an event that was covered widely by television and print reporters.
Reps. Trent Franks, R-Ariz., Steve King, R-Iowa, Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., and Louis Gohmert, R-Texas, held a press conference with Farah and Porter outside the Capitol. The lawmakers praised the program and said it is producing results – changing the minds of some members who were backing House and Senate leadership initiatives and bolstering the conviction of those who oppose them.
Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz at Tuesday's press conference "It's an amazing feat, to get that many slips to Congress," Rep. Steven King, R-Iowa, told WND. "If you look through them, you can index each one back to an individual. That's powerful. There is a person behind each one of the slips."
In addition, Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., was interviewed about the campaign by Fox News Channel's Greta Van Susteren.
"This is putting everyone on notice," he said. "And I think this is what the American people have been doing for months now, saying if you keep spending and borrowing, you're going to get fired."
The most recent paper shortage was the second occurrence. In the first week of the campaign, paper suppliers reported the campaign had completely tapped the nation's reserves of 8.5 x 11 inch pink paper. As the last full pallet of pink paper was delivered to the printer, new supplies had to be ordered and manufactured.
The "Send Congress a Pink Slip" campaign ensures that a brief but poignant message will be delivered by Fed Ex to all 535 members of the House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate – all for a remarkably low price based on economies of scale.
U.S. Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, with WND founder Joseph Farah, right The "Send Congress a Pink Slip" campaign has been coordinated by Joseph Farah, founder and CEO of WND. "Our goal from the beginning was to generate 5 million of these notices," said Farah. "But it now appears we might just be getting started."
"One of the questions I get from colleagues is why a news agency would involve itself in a political advocacy campaign like the 'pink slips' effort. The answer is that I am an American first and a newsman second. I don't want to see the foundations that made this country great and that made the notion of a free press possible destroyed. And that's why we got behind this campaign," he said.
The program already has been the talk of Congress, albeit not always on the floor of the House or Senate.
"They're talking about it, but they're only talking about it behind closed doors and in the elevators as they go up and down and in very whispered tones," Rep. Tom Price, R-Ga., has said. "Because, what you hear are people saying, 'How many of those did you get or how many people came to your office today? And what are you going to do and how are you going to vote on this?'"
Sen. DeMint told Porter on a recent radio show that some of the bills now pending in Congress already would have been law had it not been for the "pink slips" appearing in inboxes daily.
The "pink slip" each official will get is a reminder that they work for the taxpayers. Each is individually printed with the sender's contact information under the closing salutation "Signed, Your Employer:"
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Lightbulb Closing Credit card account!

One good way to close a credit card account is to tell them your card has been
stolen and that you want to close that account to protect yourself.
Ask them what you owe, pay it off, and don't open a new account with that bank.
Then close the account, telling them you'll open a new account later.
I did that this year with no bad marks to my credit score.
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Good tip Early Bird!

I just don't know what is going on with the healthcare bill but my husband and I discussed the part where people who have no insurance will be forced to purchase it or pay the consequences.

I have decided that it may be time to go to jail as a civil disobediance. No government is going to tell me how to spend my money. Not that I am adverse to purchasing health insurance.... its when I am forced to do so.... that makes me dam mad! and I will sit in jail to prove my point.

If they get a couple hundred thousand people doing such they will start whistling a different tune.
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Most States tell you that you must have vehicle insurance. Some insurance companies even force you to pay for non-insured motorists.
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