Arrow, are you for the obamacare... the government run healthcare plan? Do you really believe that its the insurance companies that are making us afraid of this healthcare plan???? The idea of government run healthcare scares me to death. I am a caregiver for people who cant care for themselves... from what Im reading those people would be in big time trouble!!!!
We already have government run healthcare in medicare, medicaid and CHIPS.
I have worked professionally within all these arenas both with the elderly and with children and I have not seen any deficiency. All got excellent care, at least by conventional standards. I have no reason to think that it would change. No one has shown me any reason to think it would change.
Tell me, who pays the bill for those people you care for who cannot care for themselves? Do they have an inheritance or it the government paying?
Then I had to laugh at all those old farts standing up there at some town hall stating they didn't want socialized medicine. Well the congressman they were talking to got them good. He asked them to raise their hands is anybody was on medicare. A bunch raised their hands. Then he asked them to raise their hands if they wanted to get rid of medicare. No one raised their hands. Some didn't even know medicare was socialized medicine.
Since Obama says that you get to keep the healthcare insurance you have if you want it I just don't get what people are freaking out about.
I do think that it is the insurance companies driving this insanity. They are freaked them selves and they are being put into position of being regulated, which should have happened long ago in my opinion. They are the ones coming between me and my doctor, not the federal government. They tell me how many times I can see my doctor and what tests I can have, not the government.
I just can't believe what the right wingers are saying about the forced euthanasia of the elderly just because the bill mandates payment to doctors to take the time to talk about end of life options to those who need it. I've been a hospice nurse now for over 5 years. Previously we forced people into treatment that caused untold suffering. Now we give people choice and support them in the choice they make wether if its going on a ventilator feeding tube or allowing nature to take its course. Before people had no choice. All hospitals do this, it is called a living will. It should be the law to have to have one filled out. Saves a lot of grief for families and for doctors too cause then they know what their patients want when the patient cannot speak for themselves.
I have heard nothing but insanity at those town halls. I just don't know where they dug up such ignorant people and people willing to obstruct others who wish to learn and speak also. really obnoxious.
That second link you provide went nowhere. The first link looks like BS to me. I found several errors at just a glance. for instance it says that we will provide healthcare to all foreigners, That is not true. We must deliver emergency care that is all, which is ethical.
Why do people think that American healthcare is so great when we rank really low by international standards? When millions go without insurance? When many children suffer from no healthcare at all? What about them hugh? What about those kids?
So far I have not found a link the health plan. I certainly am not going to take a right wing organizations interpretation of it as fact. They are being controlled by corporate interests. Why good people don't see that is beyond me. Guess cause corporate interests are good at wrapping stuff up in Christain fear mongering and fantasies. Far as I can tell the right wing is extremely supportive of the corporate money grubbing greedy world.
I have always been for socialized medicine.
Man, I had to laugh! The right wing put up Steven Hawkins as an example, you know that brilliant scientist who has ALS and is in a wheel chair, can't even speak with out a machine assits, and they said on a propaganda tv add that Steven would not have survived if he had to put up with the socialized medicine of the UK.. my god! They can't even lie and do it right! Steven Hawkins is a British Citizen and has been cared for by socialized medicine all his life! Pretty dam good job they have done I would say considering all the challenges a poor body like his has.
I agree with you Arrow. As a senior on Medicare, which I appreciate immensely, I have
absolutely NO fear of being euthanized. I'm for it except for the cost. I have no idea
how it will be paid for. And I Do think the Insurance Companies are scared of losing big bucks and/or of being forced to give better coverage or lose customers.
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Heres a US woman who has experience of both the NHS and US healthcare and gives a balanced view of the good and bad points of both systems.
A lot of other US users of the NHS also comment on their experiences of the system.
Isn't United Health Care the company that AARP uses?
There are at least 3 bills in Congress. Only one ever seems to get sited. Let's see what the Senate comes up with.
There are a few government run health programs. They could probably save ooodles of money by combining them. At least, they would save in work force.
Successfully run government health programs have been in existence for decades. Veteran's, Congressional, Medicare, Medicade, Federal Employees.
I'm all for it. I rarely have used health insurance and have paid for it all my working life. I'm on the natural path. That's why I'm here on this forum. I'd only use insurance for infrastructural problems or emergencies.
The insurance companies better start being creative with new products; like supplements for those who want more. Like drug plans for those who will need more that a gov run plan can offer. Like better plans for those who can afford better than government. You know? Creative. Competitive. They've gouged us long enough. They are wealthy.
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Everytime you start combining government programs you lose more controle. A few years ago this country worked hard to do away with monopolies. Now, we are faced with almost everything we need to survive in this world being controled by a monopoly...the World Bank.
Having been married at one time to a deceased, retired, disabled Air Force man with 21 years of service, including Viet Nam, I will never agree that what he and others did for this country, and what they risked their lives for in providing for their families, should be combined with any other civilian program. They were promised these benefits and earned them. We lived on very low income for years in the 1960's in order to provide these benefits for the future.
It's not just the Veteran's Administration, but also the Disabled Veteran's of America and the Paralyzed Veterans of America that would be affected. I believe active duty military also use Tricare insurance....do you want all that added to the Medicare system?! I just don't think it would work out to be one big happy family. You would die waiting to see a doctor. There is a shortage of doctors already from what I understand.
I heard Obama on the radio today say that vets benefits would not be affected by new healthcare reforms. Frankly I think the Vets health program has plenty of room for improvement, at least at some of their facilities.
Yes, they do need better management and cleaning up. If anyone wants to get real depressed, sit around the lobby of a VA hospital for an hour or two and watch the disfigured and suffering old G.I.'s walk by for a while. On the other hand, it might make you be more grateful for having a comparitively healthy body.
So far I have not found a link the health plan. I certainly am not going to take a right wing organizations interpretation of it as fact. They are being controlled by corporate interests. Why good people don't see that is beyond me. Guess cause corporate interests are good at wrapping stuff up in Christain fear mongering and fantasies. Far as I can tell the right wing is extremely supportive of the corporate money grubbing greedy world.
I have always been for socialized medicine.
Controlled by corporate interests?
Alrighty then. Arrow, have you always been an employee with a benefits package? Have you ever been an employer?
Does anyone understand how this governmental health plan is going to financially affect small businesses & how many part time people will most likely get laid off as a result? As you well know, most p/t employees are not entitled to health care benefits. If the proposed 'public option' is put into place and an employer must insure all of his/her employees or else pay the 8% of payroll required in order to qualify them for governmental health care, many small businesses are going to lay people off.
Stands to reason that the unemployment rate will then rise & more people are going to become dependent on government subsidies, unemployment, welfare.............. And the businesses that do cover the cost of insurance for their currently uninsured, will inflate the prices of their services & products to cover their costs.
There are 3 proposed health plans in the House and 1 in the Senate. Which one are you talking about cookie? By the time anything gets to the floor of either house, it will most likely be way watered down. The insurance industry lobby is super powerful. They will get their way. The pharmaceutical lobby and the AMA will not be able to fight the insurance lobby.
They want to limit treatment for those over 65. They need to do something or medicare will collapse with all the cancer prone boomers coming of age, plus alzheimers, parkinsons, etc.
see donaldmiller.com Sarah Palin article. It talks about this a bit, and global warming etc.
You know, where ever I go on this site I just don't see the bill. http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/show
and I still have not found it. just an outline I posted on another thread.
And having cared for medicare patients for many years now I do think that some of their care needs to be limited...for instance, you do not proceed with chemo and radiation on elderly metastatic cancer patient, which costs a fortune and has no results. These patients need palliative care (which in fact may include some chemo and radiation in certain circumstances) You do not repair fractured hips on people that are over 75 unless they meet very specific qualifications in strength, mental coherency and bone density because unless they score high in these areas the post surgical outcome will be a failure. You do not have aggressive treatments for alzheimer patients. The best thing that can happen for them is for another disease to take them before Alzheimer's runs its full course.
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