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Hi. I'm new to this forum and the reason I'm here is in hopes of finding some relief from a persistent case of prostatitis and epididymitis that hit me out of the blue a bout two months ago. I'm not sure how it happened. I may have had a minor bladder infection or something of the sort. however, upon visiting the doctor no bladder infection was detected during the urinalysis. I had noticed a strange feeling to the left testicle and an occasional shooting pain where the leg meets the abdomen so I made an appointment. The first doctor that i visited diagnosed me with prostatitis after administering a prostate exam and said that the infection has most likely traveled down the spermadic cord and that was why i was feeling the testicular discomfort. he prescribed two weeks of doxycycline and sent me on my way. by the next day, the discomfort in my testicle had gone from bearable to excruciating pain. I called the doctor to discuss this and he said it would most likely take the medication a little while to kick in and assured me that this was nothing to be concerned about. two days later, i was in terrible pain and almost passed out while driving. i had to pull over to the side of the road to recouperate. i called the doctor from my cell phone and asked what was going on. he stated that i was probabaly just running a low-grade fever and that if things weren't better in a week's time, to call him back. a week later the pain was debilitating. i called and he told me to go to the hospital. i couldn't afford an e.r. visit, so i made an appointment with another doctor. this one told me that i had prostatitis and epididymitis and explained it a little better than the previous guy. he put me on two weeks of levaquin. 24 hours after my first dose of levaquin, i felt almost no pain in my testicle at all. i thought i was finally on the road to recovery. toward the end of the two week script, i felt that all too familiar feeling coming back in my left testicle. i called up my new doctor to inform him of this. he then wrote me a 30 day script for more levaquin. i thought that this would surely do the job. it didn't. the strange discomfort and occasional pain in the testicle as well as the irritated prostate feeling has not gone away. i've since been back to the doctor once and he prescribed bactrim and an anti-inflammatory which i am currently taking with no noticable improvement. he also gave me a couple sample bottles of flomax that he said would relieve some of the discomfort. i hadn't tried the flomax until last night. and today i noticed that i have completely zero ejaculate upon orgasm. this wole ordeal has left me stressed and anxious and wondering when this hell will finally be over. after the apparent failure of all these different medications, i've decided to seek help here. its obvious to me now that these drugs are pointless and the crazy side effects are something that i want no part of. if anyone who's had a similar experience could point me in the right direction, i would truly be forever grateful. the thought of having to be on medicines that don't work for the rest of my life and deal with the axiety and discomfort of this condition is no longer an option for me. i want this fixed! thanks for listening.
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Hey pxgq

Sorry to hear about this for you.

I suspect that you do have an infection and that it is resistant to antibiotics. If the bactrim does not work you will have to do other things. If you are still on the bactrim (and you should be on Bactrim DS- make sure you are) continue until it is done, it still might work...but then if it does not work you can continue to go the drug route with bigger and bigger gun antibiotics but there is no guarantee that they will work. These medication ususaly require a pic line and at significant cost so I hope you have insurance. If there is any way a bacterial culture can be taken you should probably do it...but these docs will not support your efforts to try to heal with alternative therapies and they will endeavor to strike fear into your heart.

I have two recommendations.
The first is MMS. Go to the MMS thread here and read and learn, then try it. You should feel improvement in about 3 days. Get pain medication from your physician if you need it and if the flomax helps continue with that for a while. Take your meds separate by 4 hours from the MMS.

If for some reason you decide that you do not want to do MMS I recommend this.
Go to this page and read.

MRSA Alternative Treatment with Allicin - Testimonial Updated 4/16/08

Even if you do not have MRSA these treatments will take care of any type of infection.
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yes it is bactrim DS. i was planning on finishing it. you know, giving it a fair shot before i gave up on it completely. i've also done some more reading on prostatitis and realized that the prostate has a very tough fatty membrane that surrounds it making it tough for the antibiotics to penetrate. by the time a decent amount of medication has permeated the membrane, the bacteria has already mutated to resist it. so if the bactrim doesn't do the trick, i'll definitely give one of your recommendations a try.
thank you for the advice. i was doing some reading in the forums about mms. is there a thread that might be a kind of introduction to it that i may have missed. everything i've found is over my head. i've not ever had any experiences with natural medicines before. actually, i've never had any conditions until now that needed any sort of treatment. i'll do some more digging. i'm sure there is a wealth of info on here. its just a matter of finding it. thanks again
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I have posted the basic instructions for MMS use on the MMS thread.
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i'll check it out. thank you
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Hi. I'm new to this forum and the reason I'm here is in hopes of finding some relief from a persistent case of prostatitis and epididymitis that hit me out of the blue a bout two months ago. I'm not sure how it happened. I may have had a minor bladder infection or something of the sort. however, upon visiting the doctor no bladder infection was detected during the urinalysis. I had noticed a strange feeling to the left testicle and an occasional shooting pain where the leg meets the abdomen so I made an appointment. The first doctor that i visited diagnosed me with prostatitis after administering a prostate exam and said that the infection has most likely traveled down the spermadic cord and that was why i was feeling the testicular discomfort. he prescribed two weeks of doxycycline and sent me on my way. by the next day, the discomfort in my testicle had gone from bearable to excruciating pain. I called the doctor to discuss this and he said it would most likely take the medication a little while to kick in and assured me that this was nothing to be concerned about. two days later, i was in terrible pain and almost passed out while driving. i had to pull over to the side of the road to recouperate. i called the doctor from my cell phone and asked what was going on. he stated that i was probabaly just running a low-grade fever and that if things weren't better in a week's time, to call him back. a week later the pain was debilitating. i called and he told me to go to the hospital. i couldn't afford an e.r. visit, so i made an appointment with another doctor. this one told me that i had prostatitis and epididymitis and explained it a little better than the previous guy. he put me on two weeks of levaquin. 24 hours after my first dose of levaquin, i felt almost no pain in my testicle at all. i thought i was finally on the road to recovery. toward the end of the two week script, i felt that all too familiar feeling coming back in my left testicle. i called up my new doctor to inform him of this. he then wrote me a 30 day script for more levaquin. i thought that this would surely do the job. it didn't. the strange discomfort and occasional pain in the testicle as well as the irritated prostate feeling has not gone away. i've since been back to the doctor once and he prescribed bactrim and an anti-inflammatory which i am currently taking with no noticable improvement. he also gave me a couple sample bottles of flomax that he said would relieve some of the discomfort. i hadn't tried the flomax until last night. and today i noticed that i have completely zero ejaculate upon orgasm. this wole ordeal has left me stressed and anxious and wondering when this hell will finally be over. after the apparent failure of all these different medications, i've decided to seek help here. its obvious to me now that these drugs are pointless and the crazy side effects are something that i want no part of. if anyone who's had a similar experience could point me in the right direction, i would truly be forever grateful. the thought of having to be on medicines that don't work for the rest of my life and deal with the axiety and discomfort of this condition is no longer an option for me. i want this fixed! thanks for listening.
And now I will tell you something that you won't hear from your doctor, prostatitis is not due to a bacterial infection, and antibiotics won't work.

The reason is simple, prostatitis is caused by a yeast infection.

How does a man get a yeast infection in the prostate?

Simple, he gets it from a woman who has a vaginal yeast infection, and without the proper treatment, the yeast rapidly multiply. Your partner, at one time, had a yeast infection, and now you have it, simple as that, and antibiotics won't kill yeast because yeast is a fungus, and most antibiotics are made from mold, which is also a fungus.

You need antifungals, either nystatin, or diflucan, which are drugs, or some good natural antifungal supplements, such as olive leaf extract, grapefruit seed extract, oil of oregano, colloidal silver, and yes, MMS is also antifungal.

...and now that you've taken so many antibiotics, which are fuel for yeast, now you need to take a good probiotic. That will help restore the balance in the intestines..
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How do you know this pinballdoctor?
Not that I think you are wrong, it could be possible but I have seen this condition cure with antibiotics also, so perhaps it could go either way. So please give more info if you can.

And either way, MMS may help. Not so sure about the garlic preps though. It think that is primarily for bacterial infection.
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And now I will tell you something that you won't hear from your doctor, prostatitis is not due to a bacterial infection, and antibiotics won't work.

The reason is simple, prostatitis is caused by a yeast infection.

How does a man get a yeast infection in the prostate?

Simple, he gets it from a woman who has a vaginal yeast infection, and without the proper treatment, the yeast rapidly multiply. Your partner, at one time, had a yeast infection, and now you have it, simple as that, and antibiotics won't kill yeast because yeast is a fungus, and most antibiotics are made from mold, which is also a fungus.

You need antifungals, either nystatin, or diflucan, which are drugs, or some good natural antifungal supplements, such as olive leaf extract, grapefruit seed extract, oil of oregano, colloidal silver, and yes, MMS is also antifungal.

...and now that you've taken so many antibiotics, which are fuel for yeast, now you need to take a good probiotic. That will help restore the balance in the intestines..
you know, the yeast thing makes sense. little or no help from antibiotics. no bacteria present in urinalysis. and my girlfriend has had a rash of yeast infections over the last year. i had no idea it could potentially affect me in such a horrible way. it's funny you mention the yeast infection thing. i've had two appointments with a chinese medicine clinic for acupuncture and herbal medicine over the last week. i go for my third today. anyway, after the first treatment, last thursday, and taking the kai kit wan pills that she prescribed, i felt great all through the weekend. then monday, the prostate irritation came back with a vengeance. i told the acupuncturist about it when i went in on tuesday. she asked if i'd eaten anything she'd told me to avoid. i said no. i then informed her that i had a decent amount of beer on sunday afternoon. she told me that was undoubtedly the culprit. that the yeast in the beer was was feeding my problem. no more beer for me. thanks for the info about all this. very interesting. also, you've mentioned that colloidal silver will help as well. i've read an article recently that mentioned an ionic colloidal silver water at 3ppm being ideal for prostatitis. however i can't find any 3ppm silver water online anywhere. anyone have any resources?
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I don't know what info you got about 3ppm being ideal for anything. Most silver preps are 10ppm, 30 ppm or 30 ppm and then there are the super ppm preps that are 500 and up. I have never known anyone to use 3ppm for anything. I have a personal preference for www.nutrasilver.com In general the higher the ppm the more silver you will get into you. I keep nutrasilver on hand as emergency stock for when I can't cure things otherwise. I always prefer homeopathy for infections when I can get it to work. If not then I reach for the silver, vit. c., garlic and other things.

Be aware that the antibiotics you received for your "infection" will make yeast worse.

I wonder if those herbs your acupuncturist gave you were doing the job? Perhaps you might do well to stick with that since you were getting results. I have no doubt that chinese medicine can help if you have someone who can figure it out.

Make sure your partner gets treated also. If she has recurrent infections she may have a resistant form of yeast. And there definately is the possibility that you have been passing it back and forth. Lots of doctors don't get this concept but I know it fully well.
For some yeast infections women cannot use over the counter meds. Ketonazole, a pill, 200mg 2 x day is good for one week, as well as Terazol 7, both for resistent yeast strains. If those don't work they have others. Ketonazole will knock down the yeast in the gut also, which might have something to do with why your partner gets re-infected. The absolute best preventative is staying away from antibiotics and steroids.

We have a thread here on Invive silver. Put it in our search bar and you will get lots of good info.
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you know, the yeast thing makes sense. little or no help from antibiotics. no bacteria present in urinalysis. and my girlfriend has had a rash of yeast infections over the last year. i had no idea it could potentially affect me in such a horrible way. it's funny you mention the yeast infection thing. i've had two appointments with a chinese medicine clinic for acupuncture and herbal medicine over the last week. i go for my third today. anyway, after the first treatment, last thursday, and taking the kai kit wan pills that she prescribed, i felt great all through the weekend. then monday, the prostate irritation came back with a vengeance. i told the acupuncturist about it when i went in on tuesday. she asked if i'd eaten anything she'd told me to avoid. i said no. i then informed her that i had a decent amount of beer on sunday afternoon. she told me that was undoubtedly the culprit. that the yeast in the beer was was feeding my problem. no more beer for me. thanks for the info about all this. very interesting. also, you've mentioned that colloidal silver will help as well. i've read an article recently that mentioned an ionic colloidal silver water at 3ppm being ideal for prostatitis. however i can't find any 3ppm silver water online anywhere. anyone have any resources?
First, antibiotics won't kill yeast, because yeast is a fungus, and most antibiotics are made from mold, which is also a fungus.

What antibiotics will do, is kill off the good bacteria in the gut, which in turn will allow yeast to further multiply. It is the good bacteria that keep yeast at a managable level, and also it is the good bacteria in the gut that produce "B" vitamins, especially B12, which gives the body energy. Low good bacteria = low B12, which = no energy/tired all the time.

Other things that kill off the good bacteria or aid the yeast include any kind of steroids, such as asthmatic puffers, chlorinated water, any alcohol (because its fermented and contains brewers yeast) any kind of mushroom, and any baked product that contains bakers yeast, and that includes bread, buns, flour, etc.

The absolute worst is antibiotics, for they have a dark side that most people are unaware of, and any grains are bad because they can be contaminated with fungus, both in the field as well as in storage. Corn is the worst because it is always contaminated as are peanuts, so that also includes peanut butter.

To kill the yeast, the first thing to do is start on a good probiotic. That is crutial.
The best probiotic is Dr. Ohhiras probiotic, nothing else even comes close to this product.

Taking natural antifungals, such as virgin coconut oil, olive leaf extract, and colloidal silver. The silver should be at least 10 parts per million in strength, from a reputable company, since not all silver is created equally.

There are two reasonably safe drugs that are strong antifungals. They are Nystatin and Diflucan. One works mainly in the gut while the other works mainly in the blood.

Bottom line... stop feeding the yeast, they need carbs to survive. In fact, yeast can trick your brain into craving things like pasta or bread, or sugary things. They are not dumb like bacteria.
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wow.lots of info here. thanks to the both of you. all this info is greatly appreciated but slightly overwhelming at the same time. i can't wait to try these recommendations out and finally get this problem of mine under control. the chinese herbs or the acupuncture or both seemed to be working at first and i felt better than i had for several days. but after another week or so, the discomfort has come back and is persisting. i'm planning on doing a probiotic just as soon as i can, as well as some silver water either from a home generator, or purchased pre-made. the thing is, i've spent so much money treating this problem that now i'm strapped for cash and can't afford the things i need to actually beat it. some of thes items are rather pricey. and it doesn't help that this economic problem caused my employer to cut my wages by 20 percent a couple of months ago. but i'll come by these products i need one way or another. i'm bound and determined to kill watever's causing me these problems. i've stopped taking the bactrim ds. i quit it about 7 days ago and felt great for the entire weekend. then monday and tuesday i felt worse again. yesterday and today have been kind of middle of the road. maybe the yeasties were all peeved at me for taking away their food supply so thay started to throw a little hissy fit for a couple of days there. i don't know. what i do know is that it's obviously not bacterial since the antibiotics i've been on have done next to nothing exept probabaly offering a little against the inflammation. not sure here, but i don't think there are many bacterias that can do so well against a barrage of 3 different types of antibiotics in as many months. not to mention, once the yeast possibilty was mentioned, it made more sense to me, like i stated above. unfortunately, breads, grains, pastas, peanuts, corn, and beer are all things i really love. haha. but i'll have to cut those out to get a successful result from all this. a couple questions real quick. how long should i take probiotics to get everything back in working order? and how will i know when the're re-established? another thing, should i try an anti fungal as well as probiotics and silver water? or should i just start with one and see what hapens and then if that doesn't work, try it in combination with one of the other options? if i could get some kind of game plan to go with, that would be awesome. i know i need the probitics first and foremost, so that's a no-brainer. it's just the duration of treatment that i'm not clear on. should i just do a trial and error type thing? or is there a rule of thumb i should follow? thanks.
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As a general rule of thumb for every week you take an antibiotic you should take probiotics for 3 weeks.

I wish you knew for sure if it was yeast or bacteria that you are dealing with.
You may want to look this site over. I will tell you that yeast, like any other microbe can mutate and become resistant to the drugs available. I've never figured out if that makes it harder to treat with natural substances or not. It certainly makes no difference when it comes to MRSA.

You may want to review these sites to broaden your education. There is a big connection between fungus or candida and cancer. Sodium Bicarb is the cure.
http://knowthecause.com/
http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/

If it is fungal you may want to learn about the use of olive leaf extract also.

Far and away, the cheapest therapy you can do is MMS. It is worth a trial to see if it will work for your problem. There are reports that MMS has cured prostate cancer of several occasions. What this tells you is that MMS gets to the site and can kill fungus as well as eliminate cancer. One bottle costs about $20
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thank you, arrowwind. since you seem to be in the know as far as mms goes, would you be able to recommend a good place to purchase quality mms. or are is all mms pretty much created equally? i think i might as well give that a shot first since its something i can actually afford right now. and another thing, mms will pretty much knock out all pathogens as well as fungi, correct? the way i understnd it, it pretty much chases off anything that doesn't bleong inside us. and is it something i should continue forever, for good measure? or once my symptoms subside, would it be ok to get off the mms? and sorry, the questions keep coming, i know, haha, but if i do need to take it once the symptoms subside, should i stay on the full strength regimen?
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I think that it will take care of most things microbial. There have been a few people who have had difficulty with fungus where mms did not resolve and others who have not had a problem. Sometimes I think it has to do with MMS actually making contact with the site. Noses can be especailly difficult. But because MMS has been effective with other prostate issues I would think that it should work. You know, MMS is quite experimental. You will just have to try and see. I think all MMS is the same. But if you want to be absolutely sure get it from Global Light. Its $20 plus shipping but I think what you find on ebay will be just good and less expensive. One bottle will last a long time.
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thanks for the info, everyone. i'm definitely going to have to try something. and soon. i have a supply of ohira's probiotic on the way to start with. i'll post any results i get. thanks again to everyone who's lent their expertise and advice. even those of you who have done so in private messages.

oh, and i've also found an olive leaf extract capsule i'm wanting to try. branded " the original olive leaf extract". they claim its the best one out there. but i suppose it could be clever markweting. who knows? anyone have any experience with that brand? or maybe a recommendation for something better.
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